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HDM and Watchmen will be overlapping in a couple of weeks.

Guess HBO determined that a lot of comic book geeks subscribe.
I assume it's because both Disney+ and Apple TV+ start in November. Have to keep people subscribing somehow.
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HDM and Watchmen will be overlapping in a couple of weeks.

Guess HBO determined that a lot of comic book geeks subscribe.
His Dark Materials is primarily a BBC production...hence the overlap...if it was solely an HBO original series they would space it out...I don't think HBO considers HDM on the same level as Westworld or Watchmen or GoT etc...
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His Dark Materials is primarily a BBC production...hence the overlap...if it was solely an HBO original series they would space it out...I don't think HBO considers HDM on the same level as Westworld or Watchmen or GoT etc...
HDM isn't based on a comic book anyway. It's a trilogy of novels. Fantasy and comics are not necessarily synonymous.

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HBO's His Dark Materials Is a Smart Pragmatic Adaptation

The series is clearly going to grapple with the moral and theological ambiguities that the 2007 film adaptation, The Golden Compass, infamously did not...book author Philip Pullman serves as an executive producer on the show, and according to series writer Jack Thorne, he provided backstory that never made it into his novels...

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Looking forward to it but looks like they're putting it on Monday nights so maybe their expectations aren't that high.

They've put Our Boys, The Deuce, Catherine the Great and now HDM.

They want to increase the number of original shows but they are putting shows without high profile, partly because some of these are produced overseas with few stars recognizable to Americans, on Mondays.

So not sure how long this will last.

I've lived most of the foreign sourced shows, like Our Boys, My Brilliant Friend, Game of Thrones, Rome.
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Too many shows on Sunday now! But will watch this!

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HBO really needs to offer 4k at this point. Surprised they didn't announce this with HBO Max flat out.
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HBO really needs to offer 4k at this point. Surprised they didn't announce this with HBO Max flat out.
Wait, HBO Max will charge $15, more than any other streaming service, and it won't be 4K?
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Netflix is more for 4k, and no, right now Warner hasn't said whether HBO Max will be 4k or not.

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Too many shows on Sunday now! But will watch this!
then you're in luck...HBO is airing His Dark Materials on Monday nights
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then you're in luck...HBO is airing His Dark Materials on Monday nights
Except, BBC is airing it on SUNDAY nights (i.e.: E01 is already out)

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First episode was pretty sold...interesting to see where it goes

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Except, BBC is airing it on SUNDAY nights (i.e.: E01 is already out)
I was wondering why my DVR showing on Monday said the original air date was Sunday.
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His Dark Materials digi-dictionary: Your guide to the HBO series multiverse

There’s a reason a feature film adaptation of Philip Pullman’s His Dark Materials trilogy never worked out. The Golden Compass, starring Nicole Kidman and Daniel Craig, hit theaters in 2007, but sequels were never green lit in the face of poor critical reviews and dwindling ticket sales.

Jane Tranter, executive producer of HBO and BBC’s upcoming TV series based on the same books, is in a much better position. “Philip’s books are as deep as they are wide. They exist on many levels and they have a terrific breadth of location stories. That’s very hard for a film to capture,” she previously explained to EW. That said, she still has a lot of ground to cover.

In the prestige TV void left by Game of Thrones, His Dark Materials brings a new kind of fantasy saga to the small screen with a cast including Dafne Keen (the star of X-Men film Logan), The Affair‘s Ruth Wilson, It Chapter 2‘s James McAvoy, and Hamilton creator Lin-Manuel Miranda. It is a journey that starts in one parallel world, then bridges to our own, and then comes back again. There are armored polar bears (> dire wolves?), witches, daemons (but not the kind you might be thinking about), a multiverse, and something equally mysterious called Dust (definitely not the kind you’re thinking about).

To ease the pains of acclimating to completely new fantasy worlds, here is a handy dictionary of people, places, and things.
Alethiometer


In short, it’s a truth teller. The more complex answer is that it’s a mystical device, similar in look and feel to a compass, that reveals truths through a series of glyphs. Each combination of symbols can bear multiple meanings depending on the question, and it can take years of study for a person to decipher how to properly read an alethiometer. Only a rare few, like Lyra Belacqua (Dafne Keen), have the natural ability to decipher them. The bearer of an alethiometer asks questions of the device by placing its hands on the symbols that signify those questions. Lyra describes reading the device as emptying her mind and falling into a kind of trance to see what it’s trying to reveal. Alethiometers are regulated by the Magisterium, but one resides at Jordan College where it is then gifted to Lyra.

Arctic Institute, Royal

An organization of arctic explorers, such as Lord Asriel. The group maintains a headquarters in London.
Asriel, Lord



An explorer and member of high society in Britain who often finds himself at odds with the Magisterium’s ideals and theology. Lord Asriel embarked on a journey to the arctic north under the ruse of visiting the king of Lapland, a country that exists in Lyra’s world. In actuality, he ventured to take photographs of Dust during the Aurora. Through the Aurora, when the veil between worlds appears at its thinnest, Asriel glimpsed the presence of a city existing in an alternate reality. Asriel is Lyra’s uncle. His daemon is a snow leopard named Stelmaria (voiced by Helen McCrory).

Belacqua, Lyra



An orphan girl raised by Master Carne (Clarke Peters) and the scholars at Jordan College. Adventurous, high spirited, kind hearted, and, at times, a bit too reckless, Lyra dreams of following her uncle, Lord Asriel, on his adventures in the north. But, after she foils an assassination plot against him as he arrives at Jordan College to present blasphemous discoveries, Lyra soon gains bigger problems to deal with. Mrs. Coulter, a mysterious woman, arrives and takes a liking to the young girl and offers her a place as her assistant. Lyra takes it, hoping to leave Oxford to find her friend Roger, the latest victim in a string of child kidnappings. Lyra’s daemon is Pantalaimon.

Bolvangar

A building complex established in the north by an organization called the General Oblation Board. The actions of the organization are often elusive and unknown, especially when activities at Bolvangar are concerned.
Boreal, Lord

An aristocrat involved with the General Oblation Board. In the events of Pullman’s The Golden Compass, Lord Boreal (played by Ariyon Bakare) appears at a cocktail party thrown by Mrs. Coulter. In the show, he arrives at Jordan College in Oxford on behalf of the Magisterium. His daemon is a serpent.

Byrnison, Iorek



A panserbjørn warrior and disgraced heir to the kingdom of Svalbard. A rivalry battle over a female panserbjørn led Iorek Byrnison (voiced by Joe Tandberg) to kill one of his own, an offense that cast him out of society. In his exile, Iorek met and worked with the aeronaut known as Lee Scoresby (Lin-Manuel Miranda). The panserbjørn eventually found his way to Trollesund, a city in Lapland, whose citizens supplied him with liquor. Once dulled, Iorek was taken advantage of by the townsfolk, who stole his armor. In a rampage, Iorek ransacked the port and killed at least two people. He would’ve been shot and killed if not for his skill with molding metals. While working off his penance in Trollesund, Lyra arrives on her journey north.

Coulter, Mrs. Marisa



A mysterious, mesmeric woman who arrives at Jordan College and takes a particular liking to Lyra. As a member of high society, Mrs. Marisa Coulter has connections with the Magisterium, the General Oblation Board, and the Royal Arctic Institute. Her daemon is a golden-haired monkey.

Daemon



The physical manifestation of a human’s soul in Lyra’s world. A daemon exists outside of their human’s body as a talking animal. During a person’s childhood, their daemon constantly shape-shifts into other animals as it sees fit. With puberty, the daemon will eventually settle into a single form that reflects the person’s true nature. Daemons are extensions of their humans. Should a human and their daemon stray too far from each other, both will suffer tremendous mental and emotional anguish. If a daemon suffers trauma, their human will feel it as well. To see a person without a daemon is like seeing someone walking around with a severed head. It is unheard of in society for one person to touch another person’s body. Killing a daemon kills the human and vice versa. Upon its death, a daemon turns into Dust particles and disappear.

Dust

A mystical particle that holds vast secrets to the multiverse and may even hold the key to life itself. Its nature has become a fascination point for many scholars and researchers, including Lord Asriel, though its true potential is considered a threat to the Magisterium. Any research on the subject is heavily regulated by the Magisterium and is often considered heresy. The organization considers Dust the source of original sin.

Gobblers

The name given to those shadowy figures responsible for the string of child kidnappings plaguing Brytain (similar in geography to the U.K. in our world). Tales of the Gobblers spread all over the country and reached Jordan College. Lower-class children, like servants and those among the Gyptian clans, tend to be easier targets of the Gobblers.
Great Flood, The



The name is pretty self-explanatory. Think that Biblical flood Noah was building that ark for. In 1986, supernaturally tinged waters rose and flooded the area known as the Fens and Oxfordshire in Lyra’s world. During this period, Asriel carried Lyra as an infant to Jordan College to live in safety from the Magisterium. Pullman chronicled this event in La Belle Sauvage, the first novel in his The Book of Dust companion trilogy. The premiere episode will dramatize a single moment from this period.

Gyptians



A nomadic group who settled in the Fens and now typically live and travel by boat via waterways. Gyptians consider each other as close to blood as possible. As described in Pullman’s books, if a Gyptian mother lost sight of her child, she could typically rest easy, knowing her neighbors within the community would keep watch over them. Western Gyptians divided themselves into six large families that submit one member to serve on the Gyptians’ Council; Farder Coram (James Cosmo) was one of them. John Faa (Lucian Msamati) serves as King of the Gyptians.

His Dark Materials

A trilogy of novels written by Pullman that consists of The Golden Compass (titled The Northern Lights in the U.K.), The Subtle Knife, and The Amber Spyglass. Season 1 of His Dark Materials, the TV series from HBO and BBC, will adapt the first novel, while season 2, which has already been filmed, will chronicle the events of The Subtle Knife. Though it hasn’t been formally announced, a third season is planned to adapt The Amber Spyglass. Jack Thorne, who wrote Harry Potter and the Cursed Child, penned the teleplay.

Jordan College



A prominent university of Oxfordshire in Lyra’s world. Headed by Master Clarke Peters, Jordan College acts as a sort of sanctuary and laws of the Magisterium rarely apply.

Magisterium, The

The reigning religious institution of the church in Lyra’s world that replaced the Papacy. The Magisterium maintains firm control around the world and polices any discoveries or research that pertain to the church. When Dust was discovered, they claimed it to be physical evidence of original sin and often suppress any research deemed to be heretical. The Magisterium also maintains control over the world’s alethiometers.

Panserbjørn



A species of highly intelligent talking armored polar bear who dwell in the north. Their kingdom is Svalbard, currently ruled by Iofur Raknison. Panserbjoørn do not have daemons, though each receive specially forged armor made from a material known as sky-iron. It’s said a panserbjørn’s armor is as precious to them as a human’s daemon. It’s rare for one panserbjørn to kill one’s own. To do so in Svalbard would mean exile. Panserbjørn are so intelligent and perceptive that humans are only able to deceive them in the rarest of cases, often when they act more like humans than bears.

Parslow, Roger



A boy working in the kitchens of Jordan College in Oxford. He and Lyra form a friendship, often venturing together around the grounds or getting into playful turf wars with fellow servant and Gyptian children. Roger becomes the latest kid nabbed in a series of mysterious disappearances, prompting Lyra to search for him. His daemon is Salcillia.

Scoresby, Lee



A Texan aeronaut who pilots a hot air balloon. His travels have taken him to all corners of the globe where he’s encountered many, including Iorek Byrnison, the witch Serafina Pekkala, and the young Lyra Belacqua. His daemon is an arctic hare named Hester (voiced by Cristela Alonzo). Lee’s line of work means he’s often alone, so he’s always conversing and singing with Hester.

Subtle Knife, The

A mystical artifact crafted by philosophers in the world of Cittàgazze. It is the only known object (at the start of this story, at least) that’s able to create windows for traveling to other worlds in the multiverse. It’s tip is so fine that neither human nor panserbjørn are able to see it with the naked eye. Its name lends itself to the title of Pullman’s second novel from his original trilogy, while his third novel, The Amber Spyglass, references another object of power.

Tartars

A barbaric civilization of humans based in Lapland. They often scalp their enemies and all the male warriors have wolves as daemons.
Witches

A species of highly intelligent humanoid beings who wield magical abilities and exist in multiple worlds. In Lyra’s world, they commonly dwell in the north. Witches have immensely long lifespans, typically lasting for thousands of years. Witches are able to feel cold, though it does not harm them. Through cloud pine, a tree with mystical properties, they are able to take flight. Their daemons always settle as birds. Unlike humans, witches are able to send their daemons to great distances without harm. Unique to Lyra’s world, witches mate with humans, though only female offspring are born witches. (Male witches exist in other worlds.) Witches don’t commonly involve themselves in human affairs as their concerns are more focused on issues spanning multiple worlds. Serafina Pekkala is the queen of the Lake Enara witch clan in Lyra’s world. Her daemon is Kaisa, who is described as a goose in Pullman’s books.

His Dark Materials premieres Monday, Nov. 4 on HBO.

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'His Dark Materials’: BBC/HBO Show Becomes Biggest New Drama On British TV In 5 Years With 7.2M Viewers

His Dark Materials got off to a blockbuster start for the BBC ahead of its launch on HBO tonight.

The lavish adaptation of Philip Pullman’s books from Bad Wolf was watched by nearly 7.2M viewers in the 8PM slot on BBC One on Sunday night, making it the biggest new drama launch on British TV in more than five years.

The eight-part series was the highest-rated drama premiere on any channel since BBC One’s The Musketeers was watched by 7.4M in January 2014, according to the BBC. It was also comfortably the biggest show in the slot, according to BARB figures provided by overnights.tv.

His Dark Materials beat the debuts of other dramas on BBC One this year, including Gentleman Jack (5.1M), Baptiste (4.5M), and Les Miserables (4.5M). The channel’s biggest drama of 2019 so far was the first episode in series five of Line Of Duty, which was watched by 7.8M viewers. These all aired at the later time of 9PM.

Written by Jack Thorne, His Dark Materials has been lavished with praise in the British press for dramatizing the world Pullman created with his trilogy books, which began with Northern Lights in 1995.

“There is time and space to do the books justice and the first episode, in all its steampunkish glory, gave every sign that the potential is to be realised,” said The Guardian’s Lucy Mangan in a five-star review.

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Thank you for the nice summary. It has been a while since I read the trilogy, also owning the BR version of the Golden Circle. PQ wise, I'm not impressed. Lets see how the story unfolds.
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Solid premier and the CGI for the daemons was excellent. Looking forward to see the rest of the season.
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Solid premier and the CGI for the daemons was excellent. Looking forward to see the rest of the season.
With the exception of missing daemons, I can't find any serious faults with the episode.


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Missing? I think when not seen it’s on purpose (but that was my take).
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To be honest I didn’t even notice it outside of a few scenes.
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Furthermore, not having a daemon in the world of His Dark Materials is considered so very unusual that The Subtle Knife sees a daemon-less Will trying to fake having one because he'll be considered an oddity if people knew the truth. This demonstrates the importance of the symbiotic relationship between human and daemon, and highlights how there should perhaps be more visible creatures in the TV adaptation.
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I understand why, I’m just not super steeped into the universe which is why it didn’t bother me.
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I guess my concern is with people not familiar with the source material,


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Unless addressed in show, it should be one of those things that are “let go” IMO. There are budgetary concerns, if the characters that are interacting have one even if briefly then it should be let go. I get wanting every detail, just not really feasible for cost reasons. I don’t have an issue with those that call issue to it, it just doesn’t bother me or take away from my enjoyment of the show.
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This kind of looks like steampunk, especially those airships, the altheoimeter and some other things.
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This kind of looks like steampunk, especially those airships, the altheoimeter and some other things.
Initially, I thought 1940s/50s based on the women's fashions and the poisoned wine. But, I later settled on the show looking to be the 1930s based upon the airships (zeppelins) and men's fashions.
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'His Dark Materials’ Debuts Bright For HBO With Strong Viewership Almost Matching Record-Breaking ‘Chernobyl’


The dæmons were out last night with the debut of His Dark Materials on HBO.


Animal manifestations of the human soul, repressive theology, the multiverse, a sprinkling of streampunk and the search for a missing friend kicked off the premium cabler’s adaptation of Philip Pullman’s novels last night with a bit of a roar. The eight-part series starring Dafne Keen, Ruth Wilson, Clarke Peters, James McAvoy and Lin-Manuel Miranda snagged 700,000 viewers across HBO and the channel’s various platforms for its well promoted premiere on the AT&T-owned outlet.


While not nearing the massive numbers of the 7.2 million who tuned in to watch its UK debut Sunday, the stateside results are one of the best debuts HBO has seen on a Monday. In fact, the only Monday night HBO show to debut better than His Dark Materials was multiple Emmy winner Chernobyl. That Craig Mazin-created miniseries, which chronicled the horrible nuclear disaster of April 1986, premiered May 6 with 756,000 viewers.


Rare among TV shows nowadays, Chernobyl went on to rise almost every week over its five-episode run to become the most watched miniseries to date on miniseries-rich HBO.
Add to that the fact that His Dark Materials directly faced a well-watched Monday Night Football matchup on ESPN between the Dallas Cowboys and New York Giants, and we might really have ourselves a contest here for HBO-start-of-the-week top dog. Stay tuned.


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Tonight’s episode was excellent. This show is growing on me.
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