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Messiah on Netflix

This is supposed to start on Dec. 12, 2019


'Messiah’: Netflix Orders Religious Drama Series From Mark Burnett & Roma Downey


Netflix has made it official. The Internet entertainment service has ordered Messiah, a present-day Jesus drama series from writer Michael Petroni (The Book Thief) and producers Mark Burnett and Roma Downey. Deadline previously reported the series was in the works. In addition, Sense 8 and V for Vendetta helmer James McTeigue has signed on as a director and executive producer. Netflix is slated to premiere the series worldwide in 2019.


Created by Petroni who also wrote the first episode, the 10-episode Messiah explores the lines among religion, faith and politics. It chronicles the modern world’s reaction to a man who first appears in the Middle East creating a groundswell of followers around him claiming he is the Messiah. Is he sent from God or is he a dangerous fraud bent on dismantling the world’s geopolitical order? The story unfolds from multiple points of view, including a young CIA agent, an Israeli Shin Bet officer, a Latino preacher and his Texan daughter, a Palestinian refugee and the media, among others.


Petroni is executive producing with Andrew Deane of Industry Entertainment as well as Burnett and Downey through Burnett and Downey’s LightWorkers Media, a division of MGM. Petroni previously co-created and executive produced and Deane co-produced ABC’s 2003 drama series Miracles, which investigated modern miracles for the Catholic Church.
“Messiah promises to be a fascinating series for viewers of every faith, and a thrilling drama filled with multi-layered characters set on a global stage,” said Cindy Holland, Vice President, Original Content for Netflix.


Said Petroni, “Messiah will have every viewer asking the question ‘is he or isn’t he?’ How you answer that question may reveal more about you than it does about the show. Messiah challenges us to examine what we believe and why.”


“Messiah is a series that will have the audience asking big questions. What if someone showed up in 2018 amid strange occurrences and was thought to be the Messiah? What would society do? How would the media cover him? Would millions simply quit work? Could government’s collapse?” said Downey and Burnett. “It’s a series that could change everything.”


https://deadline.com/2017/11/messiah...ct-1202208898/


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Beau Bridges and Philip Baker Hall are set to recur on Messiah, the upcoming drama series from executive producers Michael Petroni, Mark Burnett, Roma Downey, James McTeigue and Andrew Deane.


https://deadline.com/2018/06/messiah...es-1202417110/

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I read all this and wasn't sure what the show was actually about. The description above is pretty unclear if it's about a modern day messiah figure appearing and all the above characters analyzing it or if it is about those same figures analyzing the historical figure the messiah. In any event, the 2 sentence description on netflix page clarified it much better:

A CIA officer investigates a charismatic figure whose followers believe that he can perform miracles. Is he a divine entity or a dangerous con artist?

Sounds like a modern day figure appears performing miracles and the series will follow him and those investigating his legitimacy.

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I read all this and wasn't sure what the show was actually about. The description above is pretty unclear if it's about a modern day messiah figure appearing and all the above characters analyzing it or if it is about those same figures analyzing the historical figure the messiah. In any event, the 2 sentence description on netflix page clarified it much better:

A CIA officer investigates a charismatic figure whose followers believe that he can perform miracles. Is he a divine entity or a dangerous con artist?

Sounds like a modern day figure appears performing miracles and the series will follow him and those investigating his legitimacy.
This article contains a part that is clearer:


Created by Michael Petroni (The Book Thief), Messiah is described as a 21st Century political thriller that chronicles the world’s reaction to a man, Al-Masih (Dehbi), who emerges from the Middle East claiming he is sent from God and creates a groundswell of followers. Is he what they say he is or is he a dangerous fraud bent on dismantling the world’s geopolitical order, causing civil havoc as he beguiles the world’s media and its audience? At its core, Messiah is a series that challenges us to examine what we believe and who we are.


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Just plowed through this season. I thought they did a very good job of showing how religion, faith and politics get tangled and have reciprocal consequences. I also felt like the show chose perfect actors for the various roles and that they all did a fine job. The show feels pretty expansive as well. I sure hope there is a season 2 down the road. Good stuff here.
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Just plowed through this season. I thought they did a very good job of showing how religion, faith and politics get tangled and have reciprocal consequences. I also felt like the show chose perfect actors for the various roles and that they all did a fine job. The show feels pretty expansive as well. I sure hope there is a season 2 down the road. Good stuff here.
I watched the first two episodes last night and was wondering if it continues to maintain a balance in addressing the interconnected issues or if it slants a certain way. I read a review that refers to the show as a "slow-burn Homeland," which was the vibe I was getting as well.
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I watched the first two episodes last night and was wondering if it continues to maintain a balance in addressing the interconnected issues or if it slants a certain way. I read a review that refers to the show as a "slow-burn Homeland," which was the vibe I was getting as well.


Interesting. I hadn’t thought of that, but yes. Homeland is a decent comparison I’d say. Definitely there exists doubt about the main character, just as with Homeland. Other similarities exist as well.
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Created by Michael Petroni (The Book Thief), Messiah is described as a 21st Century political thriller that chronicles the world’s reaction to a man, Al-Masih (Dehbi), who emerges from the Middle East claiming he is sent from God and creates a groundswell of followers.

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“Messiah is a series that will have the audience asking big questions. What if someone showed up in 2018 amid strange occurrences and was thought to be the Messiah? What would society do? How would the media cover him? Would millions simply quit work? Could government’s collapse?” said Downey and Burnett. “It’s a series that could change everything.”

https://deadline.com/2018/06/messiah...es-1202417110/
How would Americans react to a Middle Eastern man named Al-Masih claiming to be the Messiah? I'll need some time to think about that one. I would be shocked if certain groups didn't come out against this series.
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How would Americans react to a Middle Eastern man named Al-Masih claiming to be the Messiah? I'll need some time to think about that one. I would be shocked if certain groups didn't come out against this series.
There's more than one change.org petition to boycott or petition Netflix over this show. This one started by someone with issues over the show's implications for the Muslim faith has over 4,000 signatures: https://www.change.org/p/netflix-fan...w-show-messiah
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Just plowed through this season. I thought they did a very good job of showing how religion, faith and politics get tangled and have reciprocal consequences. I also felt like the show chose perfect actors for the various roles and that they all did a fine job. The show feels pretty expansive as well. I sure hope there is a season 2 down the road. Good stuff here.
Well, if DonS is praising this I am going to have to give this a shot. He hasn't steered me wrong yet. I will add this to my list to give it a try, thanks DonS.
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There's more than one change.org petition to boycott or petition Netflix over this show. This one started by someone with issues over the show's implications for the Muslim faith has over 4,000 signatures: https://www.change.org/p/netflix-fan...w-show-messiah

Hilarious. So of the 4k signatures, probably 1k are actually the one's paying for their account. I'd be more inclined to leave Netflix over the fact that every original show follows a story line written by an algorithm. Peal back the onion and every original Netflix show has the same plot and story arc with their social commentary sprinkled in.
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Well, if DonS is praising this I am going to have to give this a shot. He hasn't steered me wrong yet. I will add this to my list to give it a try, thanks DonS.
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How would Americans react to a Middle Eastern man named Al-Masih claiming to be the Messiah? I'll need some time to think about that one. I would be shocked if certain groups didn't come out against this series.
Me too.

Maybe you're waiting for the alphabet people to show up with a complaint since it's them who's the most vocal about anything that they don't like as they consider art to be a "representation" rather than what it is actually should be.

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There's more than one change.org petition to boycott or petition Netflix over this show. This one started by someone with issues over the show's implications for the Muslim faith has over 4,000 signatures: https://www.change.org/p/netflix-fan...w-show-messiah
Okay...
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Boy, there is one hell of a lot of stupid people on this planet. Easy pickins for all these religions.
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Boy, there is one hell of a lot of stupid people on this planet. Easy pickins for all these religions.
No kidding.

The funny thing is that every religion has become institutions which support the structure and power of those at the top. The biggest thing is no longer the mission but the survival of the institution and power structures. Institutions react strongly against anything that would undermine it even if it is the very cause that the institution was created for.

That is a good basis for a show (I haven't seen Messiah yet but am interested in this aspect if this is part of it) that institutions would feel threatened and even worse, it plays out in real life.
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As I pointed out in the Good Omens thread, ironically the controversy that any religious groups stir up over this show will only draw more viewers to it, if only out of curiosity. If you tell a person they shouldn't do a certain thing or watch a certain thing, well....
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No kidding.

The funny thing is that every religion has become institutions which support the structure and power of those at the top. The biggest thing is no longer the mission but the survival of the institution and power structures. Institutions react strongly against anything that would undermine it even if it is the very cause that the institution was created for.
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That is a good basis for a show (I haven't seen Messiah yet but am interested in this aspect if this is part of it) that institutions would feel threatened and even worse, it plays out in real life.
Well I'm into Episode 4 and it basically turned into a "click bait" as the show creators use the titular character to be a "useful idiot" for current political issues with the predictable slanted view. So no it's not about institutional religions being threatened at least not so far...

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No kidding.

The funny thing is that every religion has become institutions which support the structure and power of those at the top. The biggest thing is no longer the mission but the survival of the institution and power structures. Institutions react strongly against anything that would undermine it even if it is the very cause that the institution was created for.

That is a good basis for a show (I haven't seen Messiah yet but am interested in this aspect if this is part of it) that institutions would feel threatened and even worse, it plays out in real life.
They funny thing about religion (at least from a dark-humor standpoint) is how arbitrary it is. If you're born in America, you're probably going to be a Christian. If you're born in India, a Hindu. If you're born in Israel, a Jew. In most of the middle east, a Muslim. The truth is, your religion is 99% determined by your parents and where ya'll lived when you were born.

Kind of a lame reason for all the pain, suffering and heartbreak that has occurred throughout history because of the "my god can beat up your god" way of looking at the world, isn't it? Sometimes I'm amazed at how we've gone to the moon and figured out the building blocks of life & matter, but are still killing each other over how fervently we believe only our religion has all the right answers.
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Well I'm into Episode 4 and it basically turned into a "click bait" as the show creators use the titular character to be a "useful idiot" for current political issues with the predictable slanted view. So no it's not about institutional religions being threatened at least not so far...
LOL. Now you can start your own protest.
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Kind of a lame reason for all the pain, suffering and heartbreak that has occurred throughout history because of the "my god can beat up your god" way of looking at the world, isn't it? Sometimes I'm amazed at how we've gone to the moon and figured out the building blocks of life & matter, but are still killing each other over how fervently we believe only our religion has all the right answers.
You would think that if you have true faith in what you believe, then it wouldn't make any difference what any one else thought so there would be no need to tell others what to believe. Problems arise when you believe there is one way - yours.

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They funny thing about religion (at least from a dark-humor standpoint) is how arbitrary it is. If you're born in America, you're probably going to be a Christian. If you're born in India, a Hindu. If you're born in Israel, a Jew. In most of the middle east, a Muslim. The truth is, your religion is 99% determined by your parents and where ya'll lived when you were born.

Kind of a lame reason for all the pain, suffering and heartbreak that has occurred throughout history because of the "my god can beat up your god" way of looking at the world, isn't it? Sometimes I'm amazed at how we've gone to the moon and figured out the building blocks of life & matter, but are still killing each other over how fervently we believe only our religion has all the right answers.
Given the policies here, I was trying to keep the discussion kind of general and not go into that stuff. I don't disagree but was discussing what I thought the show might be about (not having seen any of it yet) which apparently it is not.

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Given the policies here, I was trying to keep the discussion kind of general and not go into that stuff. I don't disagree but was discussing what I thought the show might be about (not having seen any of it yet) which apparently it is not.
Yeah, I haven't seen it either but from what I've read, it's not exactly what I would have hoped it would be. But then, if it was what I would have wanted it to be, the outcry & demand for boycotts would probably be a lot louder.
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Yeah, I haven't seen it either but from what I've read, it's not exactly what I would have hoped it would be. But then, if it was what I would have wanted it to be, the outcry & demand for boycotts would probably be a lot louder.
My biggest issue with the show's religious aspect, after three episodes and speaking as a lapsed Catholic, is the Messiah's message is too Bible-based (obviously in line with the views of the show's exec producers). The Bible is a very unreliable (and inconsistent) document, based on oral histories told and retold over two-to-three centuries before written down, and then edited and altered by early church fathers and the first Christian Roman emperors so it would not challenge their claims to power. I would like to think if there were ever a second coming, we would get a revised or corrected message, including concepts from the Gnostic gospels that the early Church dismissed or cut out of earlier versions.
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The Bible is a very unreliable (and inconsistent) document, based on oral histories told and retold over two-to-three centuries before written down, and then edited and altered by early church fathers and the first Christian Roman emperors so it would not challenge their claims to power.
And for political purposes, throughout history.
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And for political purposes throughout history.
Not to mention the original Bible related to a pre-industrial, patriarchal, nondemocratic society where no one batted an eyelash at such inhumane practices like slavery or the extra-judicial public slayings of women accused of having sex outside of marriage. A massive update would definitely be in order should someone legit speaking for god ever walk the planet this side of the developed world.
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And for political purposes, throughout history.
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Well I'm into Episode 4 and it basically turned into a "click bait" as the show creators use the titular character to be a "useful idiot" for current political issues with the predictable slanted view. So no it's not about institutional religions being threatened at least not so far...
Interesting, I'm 1 and 1/2 shows in and there is definitely push back from established religious leaders even though its on a small level.

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Kinda looks like a Humperdoo spinoff.
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