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I think the teams would prefer to reduce the schedule by one race.
Maybe, but that would leave a rather awkward gap in the schedule with Vietnam being the only race between March 22nd, and May 3rd. Rumors are now that F1 will switch Russia with China.
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Maybe, but that would leave a rather awkward gap in the schedule with Vietnam being the only race between March 22nd, and May 3rd. Rumors are now that F1 will switch Russia with China.
Yes, I think it's far more likely they will swap dates, than drop a race. It's happened quite a lot in the past.

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Yes, I think it's far more likely they will swap dates, than drop a race. It's happened quite a lot in the past.


Russia rules out swapping dates with China.
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Won't the name change lose them a bunch of F1 subsidy cash? I recall that stupid rule being the reason they kept the Racing Point name in the first place.
No because they are keeping the "Racing Point" part of the name, which is one of the reasons they named it with it in the first place, they new it was just an interim name. They are changing sponsors' Sports Pesa" with "Aston Martin" and the "point" part of the name is the punctuation mark, so the final name will be "Aston Martin Racing." Needless to say that Lawrence Stroll and his marketing team are this side of geniuses!
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Haas become first team to unveil their 2020 car:

http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/7...s_VF20_emerge/

Back to their old livery, or close to it, I like it.
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http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/7...s_VF20_emerge/

Back to their old livery, or close to it, I like it.
Best looking livery since their first season, nice. I would still like less black, but done very well.

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Haas become first team to unveil their 2020 car:

http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/7...s_VF20_emerge/

Back to their old livery, or close to it, I like it.


The halo really disappears with that livery.
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Nice to see new liveries starting to come out. Do you guys like the matte finish? I hate it. I understand it keeps the car lighter, but to me it takes away from the great spectacle of seeing bright shiny cars driving around the track.
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Nice to see new liveries starting to come out. Do you guys like the matte finish? I hate it. I understand it keeps the car lighter, but to me it takes away from the great spectacle of seeing bright shiny cars driving around the track.
Is that why Ferrari went to flat red last year, it's lighter? The mass of the gloss in paint must surely be insignificant on an F1 car.
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Is that why Ferrari went to flat red last year, it's lighter? The mass of the gloss in paint must surely be insignificant on an F1 car.

Yes, that's why. I don't recall the weight difference but it was enough for them to make the change.

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Is that why Ferrari went to flat red last year, it's lighter? The mass of the gloss in paint must surely be insignificant on an F1 car.
It is 200-300 grams at least. They prefer to be mat and have it in the ballast.
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Haas become first team to unveil their 2020 car:

http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/7...s_VF20_emerge/

Back to their old livery, or close to it, I like it.
2016 - 2019, one 4th and three 5ths (three of those results in 2018), maybe it's time to disappear.

"Guenther Steiner on Haas' financial problems ahead of 2020"

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2016 - 2019, one 4th and three 5ths (three of those results in 2018), maybe it's time to disappear.

"Guenther Steiner on Haas' financial problems ahead of 2020"


There has been a ton of teams that did much worse for much longer.
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I just discovered this thread, happy to see some F1 talk here! I used to follow another forum but have been out of the game for a year or so. Hope you guys will be able to help me get back up to speed for 2020.

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"Canadian billionaire Lawrence Stroll has agreed to buy up to 20% of Aston Martin and rename his Racing Point Formula One team after the 107-year-old company.
The agreement, which was made on Friday, will see Racing Point become the Aston Martin F1 Works team from the 2021 season."

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It is 200-300 grams at least. They prefer to be mat and have it in the ballast.
I thought that when Red Bull said that (they did it first), it was a joke. Christian Horner has definitely said on Sky that claiming it saved weight was a joke to see if anyone would copy them.
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There has been a ton of teams that did much worse for much longer.
Not picking on Haas. Bad is bad. I suggest booting them if they can't make one podium a year, and that's more than reasonable.

No need for half the starting grid essentially being "Herman Beams".

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Not picking on Haas. Bad is bad. I suggest booting them if they can't make one podium a year, and that's more than reasonable.

No need for half the starting grid essentially being "Herman Beams".
If you did that there'd be no McLaren, Ferrari, Red Bull, Williams... no teams at all. It takes years and years to get your first podium, and some top teams can't even get podia (see McLaren). In short, sorry but I think it's a really terrible, thoroughly unreasonable, idea
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Not picking on Haas. Bad is bad. I suggest booting them if they can't make one podium a year, and that's more than reasonable.

No need for half the starting grid essentially being "Herman Beams".
Sainz, Gasley, and Kvyat were (I think) the only non RB - Ferrari - Merc podiums all year. And that was one each. And that was better than most years, lately. Like Mr Tickle says, there'd be no one left.
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If you did that there'd be no McLaren, Ferrari, Red Bull, Williams... no teams at all. It takes years and years to get your first podium, and some top teams can't even get podia (see McLaren). In short, sorry but I think it's a really terrible, thoroughly unreasonable, idea
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Sainz, Gasley, and Kvyat were (I think) the only non RB - Ferrari - Merc podiums all year. And that was one each. And that was better than most years, lately. Like Mr Tickle says, there'd be no one left.
Growing boredom of Formula 1 can't afford to wait years and years more for what might be. Now needs solutions. 10 or 12 cars on a F1 track is plenty, if that's what it takes. Let other drivers/teams develop elsewhere, but don't clutter the track competing only midfield. I agree with Steiner on one point. They have to be more critical of themselves. For far too long, it's been a traveling circus with about half of it being not much more than hot-walkers. Improve the product.

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Did anyone else watch the Ferrari live stream for the car reveal? I know it's a big deal over in Italia but damn, a bit over the top. Especially when the car looks pretty much the same as last years.

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Did anyone else watch the Ferrari live stream for the car reveal? I know it's a big deal over in Italia but damn, a bit over the top. Especially when the car looks pretty much the same as last years.

About 45 minutes and a grand production. A bit of a snooze fest. Absolutely a big deal in Italy.

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I've never understood why the winning teams get all the prize money. Teams should get more money to help them catch up, as they fall further down the rankings.
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I've never understood why the winning teams get all the prize money. Teams should get more money to help them catch up, as they fall further down the rankings.
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Growing boredom of Formula 1 can't afford to wait years and years more for what might be. Now needs solutions.
Erm.... yeaaaah. Maybe you missed the last 3 years of work that went into creating the 2021 regs, not only that, but succeeding in the impossible task of getting all the teams to sign up to them

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That would be terrible, and it's no way plenty. Every race would be like Indianapolis 2005. Absolutely ludicrous.

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Are you completely nuts, the midfield "best of the rest" competition is just as good as the top-3-teams competition, if not better and more exciting.

We're down to only 20 cars, and you call more than 10 of them "clutter". SMH!

2020 will be the last year of these regulations.
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Are you completely nuts, the midfield "best of the rest" competition is just as good as the top-3-teams competition, if not better and more exciting..

I agree. The midfield racing is often the best for viewing action.
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I've never understood why the winning teams get all the prize money. Teams should get more money to help them catch up, as they fall further down the rankings.
The more egregious money factor is new teams aren’t eligible for the annual payments. FIA says they want to attract new teams but withholding non-performance payments is a crushing blow. A few million bucks is so much more important for a new team.
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I agree. The midfield racing is often the best for viewing action.
Then you shouldn't be too upset with "midfielders" competing in separate races, with possible eventual promotion to the big show.

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Then you shouldn't be too upset with "midfielders" competing in separate races, with possible eventual promotion to the big show.

The only problem with that is you would then wind up with the same situation as happened at Indy in 2005.
A small field could be boring. Some other racing series run multiple classes together.
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The only problem with that is you would then wind up with the same situation as happened at Indy in 2005.
A small field could be boring. Some other racing series run multiple classes together.
Agree for oval racing. Indy's round-and-round-they-go for 24 of 42 circuits (24 ovals, 9 road courses, 9 street circuits, quoting Wikipedia). "Round-and-round" is of no concern for F1.

F1 is promoted as elite racing. It has been for many decades. It's at a turning point. New ideas for possible reorganization should be considered. I think tightening the field is within reason.

Many pro sports are looking at instilling excitement, in competition for the entertainment dollar.

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