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Costas said today "almost certain' mlb season will begin in July.

After Manfred's mishandling of recent cheating incidents, I expect they'll screw this up too. $4B lost revenue? Cry me a river.
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Married Jack Webb, no wonder.
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Married Jack Webb, no wonder.
I get it from his perspective, but from her's? UGH.
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Paywall, please post summaries in future.
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“Major League Baseball will not propose a full revenue-sharing system to determine player salaries for the 2020 season, people with knowledge of the league's thinking told The Athletic. Here's more from that report, which also states a deferred-money proposal could be coming from the union:

In a scheduled meeting with the Players Association on Tuesday, the league plans to offer an alternative proposal, leaving the union with a potential choice: to hold the league to the prorated salaries the two sides negotiated in March, or accommodate the owners' desire for a second, possibly percentage-based cut in some other fashion.
Deferring 2020 salary might be the choice the union is most willing to accept. Meanwhile, some player agents are open to pay reductions if the trade-off is financial protection for players this offseason, which some fear might otherwise be harsh for free agents and arbitration-eligible players.
The 2020 season is on hold because of the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, but both sides hope to begin regular season play in early July. A number of issues must be successfully negotiated before the league can move forward, and the matter of player compensation is perhaps the most challenging of those issues. Compounding matters is the tight negotiating window -- players will need two to three weeks of resumed spring training, which means a restart of camps no later than the middle of June.
As noted above, players agreed to prorate their 2020 salaries based on the number of games played, but owners pressed for further concessions in light of the reality that fans may not be able to attend games for much and perhaps all of the 2020 season.
The positive takeaway is that there seems to be some forward momentum to talks. Should an agreement be reached in time, the 2020 season will likely entail a regular season of 82 games or so and an expanded postseason format that could involve as many as 14 teams.“

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Costas?

The league and its owners insist that the proposal they unveiled Tuesday, which would require some players to forgo more than half of their salary, is a serious pitch meant to stave off further hardships. But the plan’s details make it clear what owners are really after: They want to use the pandemic to finally break the MLB Players’ Association, long regarded as the most powerful union in American professional sports.

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82 game season sounds reasonable to me...which is the exact number of games a typical NBA season is...anything over 100 is too much since we're a looking at a July start date at the earliest...you don't want baseball in the Winter
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It's a pretty revolting situation- the average MLB salary is roughly $4.4 million/year. While the billionaires & the millionaires bicker amidst the death & destruction wrought by the virus and our racial dysfunctions - the average fan is left to wonder if it is still worth investing the emotional and/or financial commitment to follow the sport, er Business. I can understand a debate focused on protecting the health of all involved amidst the virus - but everything else about the contract negotiations smells rancid to me. I've been a fan for 65 years - I saw Jackie Robinson play in Ebbets Field, Willie Mays in the Polo Grounds, Mickey, Yogi & Whitey in the old Yankee Stadium - baseball fans deserve better then this
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It's a pretty revolting situation- the average MLB salary is roughly $4.4 million/year. While the billionaires & the millionaires bicker amidst the death & destruction wrought by the virus and our racial dysfunctions - the average fan is left to wonder if it is still worth investing the emotional and/or financial commitment to follow the sport, er Business. I can understand a debate focused on protecting the health of all involved amidst the virus - but everything else about the contract negotiations smells rancid to me. I've been a fan for 65 years - I saw Jackie Robinson play in Ebbets Field, Willie Mays in the Polo Grounds, Mickey, Yogi & Whitey in the old Yankee Stadium - baseball fans deserve better then this

More recently, Manfred's flaccid response to Astros cheating is another reason for long time fans to walk away.

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MLB shoots down 114 game offer with no counter offer expected https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...d-counteroffer
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so the owners want the players to either take a discount in pay or play a 50 game season with full pro-rated pay...the players want more games because it means more $$ for them...I'm siding with the owners on this
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I side with neither, the owners and star players are both greedy as hell. Lower level players are ok, as in all sports.
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Minimum MLB salary is about 660k- owners are mostly billionaires - both sides seem tone deaf to current social, political, medical realities. Greed & tunnel vision are prevalent I'm on the fans side and it looks like we're getting shafted

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so MLBTV will still be $115 for 50 games and MLB Extra Innings $183? at least that’s what they were priced before the pandemic

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so MLBTV will still be $115 for 50 games and MLB Extra Innings $183? at least that’s what they were priced before the pandemic

Doesn't look like there will be any games to watch. Yet another "credit or refund" issue that will be associated with MLB.

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Costas silence on this recent turn proves anyone can be bought.

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As much as I love baseball,sometimes I wish they would just cancel this season. Then I think in a short season anything can happen and this may be the only way the Reds can make the playoffs.
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as much as i love baseball,sometimes i wish they would just cancel this season. Then i think in a short season anything can happen and this may be the only way the reds can make the playoffs.

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why were the NBA players able to negotiate the salary issue with no problems but MLB is not?

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...And if those labor troubles lead to a 17-month period without baseball, it would be “disastrous,” Costas said...
If the season was canceled or derailed solely over virus-related health concerns, Costas said, fans would understand.
“But if it’s, ‘Here we go again, baseball and its labor troubles,’ people don’t have much patience for that under any circumstances,” he said...
“I’m not an economist and I’m not a labor expert,” Costas said. “But there have to be ways for them to see their mutual interest and not self-destruct.”

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Well, the owners are not risking death by playing games. The players, coaches, even the umps should be in a "bonus situation" as far as I'm concerned. Owners want to line their pockets at the player's expense, they should have to pay for the privilege.

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Owners are pushing for a 48 game season?...that's too few games...it needs to be at least 81 games (half the season) for the World Series to mean anything...playing 1.5 months worth of games and then the playoffs makes no sense...there will be a huge asterisk next to whoever wins the title
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why were the NBA players able to negotiate the salary issue with no problems but MLB is not?

The NBA owners weren't trying to rip off the players and actually want to play games, unlike MLB owners.

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Source: New MLB proposal to union has 76-game season

Major League Baseball's latest proposal to players on a return-to-play economic package offered a higher potential salary than the last plan but less guaranteed money over a 76-game season, sources familiar with the proposal told ESPN...Players and officials at the MLB Players Association quickly scoffed at the proposal, continuing the gridlock that has prevented MLB from returning after a coronavirus-related delay to the beginning of its season...

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