Originally Posted by bigpapa
I've not seen a scope or needs assessment. Everybody is focused on product and back end equipment/ front end equipment at the moment. But I'd take a step back and forget about that for a little bit. Play the part of a dumb/non-techno restaurant manager and think about what you want and how it needs to work efficiently during business hours to fit in with your desired restaurant experience presented to the customer.
I always look at systems in bars and restaurants with an anthropological eye. Just finishing a restaurant up myself. Budgets usually get tight for audio/video unless it's a real sports bar. I see a lot to be desired usually, but sports bars usually get done up a lot better.
We know you want 32 TV's.
Do you want any
source to be able to play on any TV
? This will add cost and complexity. I'm sure you'll have some displays in common areas that can share the same source, maybe they can run off a DA. Maybe you can make the bar TV's full matrix but group common TV's together to save cost. Just an idea.
How will it be controlled? Will the manager be the only person controlling or will bartenders be able to change TV's/channels at client's requests? I'd be concerned about a bunch of RF remotes from the end user standpoint: they get lost, misplaced, bar fluids on them, etc. They'll be all over the bar area. It might be better to have the same touchpanel UI at a few POS locations so anybody has access to it. A floorplan/map graphic showing displays may also be desirable: you want staff to be able to address changes or customer requests as efficiently as possible.
Any good systems contractor should run you through these questions first before they start throwing equipment quotes together. Take pause and think about your needs and how it works for the users and customers then get back to the black boxes and gizmos.
You've already figured out that a bunch of stacked Niles receivers didn't seem right so you're on the right track.
Thanks for your reply! Here is a basic rundown of how I would like to see things work and how they will be handled in the operations side of things.
All equipment should be contained in a central A/V room. Displays will be numbered for ID purposes if we need to change the channel. Programming will be planned out in advance. The games to be shown on the main dispalys will be marked on the displays themselves (ie. sunday morning the main display will have a "Redskin" tag, I know but I was raised as a fan so I can't help it) so people can situate accordingly. Other displays I'd like to be able to change the channels when requested by customers. A manager should be readily available to make the changes so IR, RF, touch display or whatever is fine. It will be a management thing.
The BGM for each zone will be pre-planned, really depending on game schedules. I would like volume control at the employee level. The jukebox may have inputs so BGM will play when the jukebox is not being paid to play. I have to check further into that.
P/A should work from bar area. Hostess seating will be controlled with pagers.
Lighting would also be nice to have controlled via the same source. I would like expandability options available for HVAC also. Everything should be scalable.
5 zone as follows audio independent from video
Main Dining area - 8 speakers 12 Plasmas (2-58, 10 mix or 42-50)
Banquet room #1- 4 speakers and local video / audio input capability (presentations and such) 4 plasmas (58 or HD projector, 3-42)
Banquet room #2- 4 speakers and local video / audio input capability (presentations and such) 4 plasmas (58 or HD projector, 3-42)
Bar Area- 8 speakers - 4 additional speakers in the bathroom, 10 plasmas (split of 42 and 46 maybe 1-2 50)
Patio- 4 speakers
Inputs for audio:
XM, PA (would like to be able to use mic selectively between zones or all rooms), 2 Sat boxes, Jukebox
Inputs for Video:
10-12 DirecTV HD boxes, Each display should be independent and show any source. I originally thought I would use 30 boxes at each display but thought control would be very messy.
I'm sure I left something out but that is the meat of the system. Our current budget is probably around the $50k range. Less would be nice but we want it done right.
In my opinion, most AVS members who are CIs tend to be much more talented than the average CIs, they are much more in tune with product selection and overall system design.
Precisely why I posted here for this project. I can't agree more. I've owned a sign shop for about 5yrs now and it's really hard to find great companies/individuals for vendors or professional services. I'm sick of trial and error.
Thanks again for the replies, very helpful.