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[QUOTE=AlienWarlock;57633828]I have couple more questions:


1. Will the NV-E6GCP-DC (1 gang keypads) work on the Grand Concerto? I see some pictures of them that state on the back the they only work with 'NuVo Essentia G System'...


I can answer question #1 - Yes the 1 gang keypad works fine with the GC system. I have a three of them connected to mine. If i remember correctly, the 1 gang keypad is even in the GC install manual. A problem i read about, and now having with one of the small keypads, is the display on the keypad begins to dim over time. I have no idea why this happens as it doesnt seem to happen with the larger keypad. One of my small keypads is almost to the piont where it can not be read any longer because it is so dim. This, despite the fact the brightness is turned all the way up. Its taken about 4-5 yrs for this to happen to only one of the three i have.
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Hello, has anyone tried replacing the OLED screen in the keypads?
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Hello, has anyone tried replacing the OLED screen in the keypads?
With what? Just a straight repair job?

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With what? Just a straight repair job?
Yes, just a replacement of the screen rather than the whole unit.
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Yes, just a replacement of the screen rather than the whole unit.
Not me. Sorry. Have you found a source for them? I would assume they are custom.

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Not me. Sorry. Have you found a source for them? I would assume they are custom.
Well, the 2.7" keypads used Osram Pictiva OLED screens. The 1" seem to be some local (China) or some in-house (Nuvo technologies) screen, this may be the reason the 2.7 keypad screens still seem fine and the 1" ones degrade. The UK 1", which is what I have dismantled, uses ARM chips so I am wondering if I can find a replacement as a couple of my screens have faded. I have found a couple of candidates and will buy a couple of options and see what I can do.
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I think this idea is very interesting.

My Uk 1” are also becoming quite dim whereas most 2,7” are doing well.

Except for one 2,7 that is behaving strangely.
- if I have it at patch cord distance from the hub it works fine
- at around 5 meters it starts normal but then gets dimmer and dimmer and then goes dark after two days.

It has clearly been burnt, but the behavior is odd.

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Squeezebox has been added to the list of supported music servers in the upcoming release of Homeseer NuVoBridge. Squeezebox Server and player software is free, but the HS Squeezebox Plugin will run you $50 from the developer.
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Well I'm now the owner of a Nuvo system including an MPS4, T2SIR & Ipod dock. So far I only have 2 keypads but am in the market for more.


I got everything working properly in my bench test, but have one issue I can't figure out. For some reason, I can't reset the zone number for my two keypads. I tried to follow the directions from the manual below, but the 'Advanced Settings' menu option was greyed out. Any ideas on how to get around this?

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This procedure allows an addressed Control Pad to be moved
to a new location. Within the main menu of each zone, go to
Setup. Within the Setup options, scroll to Advanced Settings
and to Zone Number. All the used addresses will be grayed
out. Any available addresses will be accessible. Scrolling to None
will erase the current address of that Control Pad’s
zone. In this menu selection, the Control Pad can be reset to
any available zone.
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If i remember correctly, you have to push and hold the greyed out Advanced Settings option for 5 seconds. This is so its not accidentally selected.




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Well I'm now the owner of a Nuvo system including an MPS4, T2SIR & Ipod dock. So far I only have 2 keypads but am in the market for more.


I got everything working properly in my bench test, but have one issue I can't figure out. For some reason, I can't reset the zone number for my two keypads. I tried to follow the directions from the manual below, but the 'Advanced Settings' menu option was greyed out. Any ideas on how to get around this?
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Hello, has anyone used the autonomics MMS2 kit? This has nuvobridge installed and wondered if anyone has used this.
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If i remember correctly, you have to push and hold the greyed out Advanced Settings option for 5 seconds. This is so its not accidentally selected.

Thanks! That did the trick.


Also to answer my #2 question above... For streaming various random internet radio stations, the TuneIn 'app' on the Music Port does this well. As long as the stations you are interested in are listed on there.

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P300 Integration - first thoughts

So, I became a happy owner of a P300.

A nice little device with an associated app.
The device and functionality have been reviewed elseware so I will not, and really cannot at this point add anything new.

However, the integration with the Nuvo GC is important to me.

Legrand have made available a Plugin for free to the HomeSeer platform. The plugin works fine.
--> Have a look at the included screen shot to see which meta data and controls are available.

The P300 (the app) makes it possible to access a complete music library. Either on USB or an external media source.
Unfortunately the Plugin does not seem to provide more than a top 10 list that you can curate with the app. This is a bit disappointing.
Maybe there is some other way? I will investigate.

Also enclosed is a comparison of the HomeSeer devices for a P300 and a CCA.
Thanks to prior work, integration with the Grand Concerto will be limited but very easy. Thank you for the PI Legrand!

A more advanced HSTouch app containing metadata and full transport control of zones should be possible,
but the limited access to the music library is quite unfortunate.
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I had a couple of people interested in the procedure for backing up / changing the harddrive of a Nuvo MPS4. I own a Nuvo MPS4 Elite with a 640GB harddrive and decided to change the drive (a Seagate model) before it failed, the point of failure being imminent, as the MPS4 drive turned out to be not even of the premuim types.

In order to make this work, you need to make a low-level copy of the original harddrive and install a new drive with the same or larger size. You can do it in the following steps:

0) Power down and unplug the power cord of the MPS4.
1) Open the cover and disconnect the old (Seagate) harddrive from the board of the MPS4.
2) Take a brand new (solid-state) drive of the same or larger size (I used a 1TB Samsung SSD).
3) Plug both drives into another computer (unpowered) using SATA/USB cables. If you know what you are doing and the equipment you are using allows it, you may connect the drives directly to the board of the computer too.
4) Prapare a USB drive as a boot drive with a stripped-down version of Linux, called clonezilla (clonezilla.org), designed for low-level disk copying.
5) Plug the clonezilla boot USB into the computer.
6) Power up the PC but DO NOT boot the operating system (Windows or other). Boot from the clonzilla USB instead.
7) Perform a full image copy of the MPS4 on the new drive. Follow Clonezilla menu instructions for copy. If errors on the MPS4's HDD are detected, select to correct them with the copy process. Otherwise the copy process will fail and you will have to restart it.
8) Power down and disconnect all drives.
9) Install the new SSD into the MPS4.
10) Optional - you may want to install some additional RAM into the MPS4 as well. I found out mine had only 1 GB of RAM in it. So I replaced it with a new chip of 2 GB. The slots are really first-gen, so you need to find the right chips. I think Windows XP (the operating system of my MPS4 Elite) does not use/recognize more than 3GB of RAM. If you have other ideas on how you could expand that - please feel free to share.
11) Put on the cover, plug in and boot the MPS4. It should boot up noticeably faster and smoother.

I strongly recommend deleting all of your music files from the original MPS4 harddrive before beginning the procedure, as it would make the copying much faster. You can add them back to the new drive afterwards. I also recommend creating a backup image of the original harddrive (with the clonezilla software) which you can keep on a disk somewhere just in case. That way, if you decide to experiment with your MPS4 and kill it in the process, you will be able to resurrect it in no time. Or you can always put in your old HDD (keep it around just in case), although magnetic drives tend to degrade with time and adverse environmental conditions (extreme temperature, magnetic fields, humidity) and there is no guarantee it will boot in a couple of years.

If you do not have IT background, I strongly suggest you ask somebody with solid computer engineering experience to do this. It is not a difficult procedure, but a certain minimum understanding of computers and operating systems is necessary.

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I had a couple of people interested in the procedure for backing up / changing the harddrive of a Nuvo MPS4. I own a Nuvo MPS4 Elite with a 640GB harddrive and decided to change the drive (a Seagate model) before it failed, the point of failure being imminent, as the MPS4 drive turned out to be not even of the premuim types.

Good luck!

Thanks for posting this very detailed instruction roadmap! One note I would suggest adding: Using XP with an SSD, just based on my limited knowledge, I think you may also need to periodically manually run some low level disk procedures which clean up the unclaimed sectors on the disk. Some people have reported a gradual performance slowdown without this step.

A few of us have successfully upgraded the MPS4 to Win 7/32, which can automatically handle the SSD sector cleanup. It requires a call to NuVo tech support to acquire the install password for the Autonomics software.
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App alternatives

Have not been been up to much lately as I seem to have found some sort of stability that most family members are happy with.

My MPS4 is now running smoothly again. It hosts 3-4 critical sw on top of Win7.
- the original autonomic music server / MPS4 player
- Homeseer HS3 for integration and special tweaks
- a port splicer (VSPE) for the internal Nuvo bridge
- Shairport-Sync providing an Airplay bridge

It’s nice to have gotten rid of the additional hw for Airplay and HS3!
The ChromeCast Audio is still very important, but gets power from the MPS4 USB. Almost “hw-fusion”
Everything starts up nicely after forced or voluntary power cycling.

Furthermore I now have a P300 that is also integrated through Legrand’s plug-in to Homeseer. I am still figuring out if/how it could provide me with additional functionality.

So far I get metadata to the keypads from all the sources above including the P300 and can control sources pretty smoothly.

My next step is (perhaps) to try to improve the app user interface.
So far I use the original MPS4 Nuvo App combined with streaming apps such as Spotify.
Works fine, but the MPS4 app is not perfectly integrated.

I see a few alternatives:
- add Sonos as @xs10shl has done, and work from there. Works fine afaik.
- try to improve the P300 app. Unclear if possible? Anyone have documentation?
- use some sort of standard app platform/framework to integrate everything. I could use HS3TOUCH, but am not convinced that it will be good enough. Ideas are most welcome?
- improve the Nuvo MPS4 app. Possibly by working with the database or other settings.
- do an app from scratch. This is too difficult for me. Especially as the alternatives above look nice.

Any ideas or comments?

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Any ideas or comments?

I added function stubs for NuVo Portfolio player support in my code, so you can define up to 3 portfolio players and have all the function work. That said, I can't finish the code because I don't have a player - perhaps you can give it a go. I've spent a little time and made it simple to add support for basically any Homeseer Plugin that plays music. It's not a generic interface, but simple enough to use that adding a few additional conditional statements in a few scripts will make any new player type work.



As far as a single UI goes, I've kind of punted on that, but I do support a default UI configuration in HS3Touch and HS3 Mobile. These are not great products, but it's a start. Since Sonos is my Go-to app, I've embedded that app with functions that I need to control NuVo. The Macrobuilder code will basically work with any music App that allows for a creation of a playlist, but for now I've only tested it with Sonos.
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Anyone know anything about Spotify URLs?

In the database they are typically very long:
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spotify://www.spotify.com/aHR0cDovLzEyNy4wLjAuMTo4MC9JUHJvdmlkZXNBdWRpb1N0cmVhbS8/c3I9U3BvdGlmeSZpZz0yZjExNTYxMi04ZWIxLTQxNTgtODk1ZS1hMTdhODc1NjNhMTkmcGU9WVRBeU9EUTRaRFF0WWpZMk15MDBaR1l6TFRoaE9ESXRZV1E1TmpjMU9XSXlZMlExWDFOdmRYSmpaVE5BUVdSdGFXNXBjM1J5WVhSdmNrQXdNQzB3TUMwd01DMHdNQzB3TUMwd01BPT0mYWN0PVlteHBaR2RoY21RJTNEJmFpZD1jM0J2ZEdsbWVUcGhiR0oxYlRvelVHUkpOM1E0WTNWSGVtbFJOelpRTW05dlJuQlMmdGlkPWMzQnZkR2xtZVRwMGNtRmphem94YVhGNGF6VXhialo1ZVdNMlQwbFlkVGRrV0RodiZhcnQ9c1l6dzhxWVlCUlV1d1pwVFdTRWdwanVPWG5VJTNE
The first 3/4 of above is identical for all songs.
I was hoping that the last part would be similar to the URL found from the "modern" Spotify track URLs as can bee seen below:

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https://open.spotify.com/track/6QfS2wq5sSC1xAJCQsTSlj
I am hoping to "repair" the MPS4 playlist function. Should be possible if I can only get the right format...

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Spotify playlists in MPS4

Problem perhaps solved...
Some database entries are Base64-encoded twice!

“Repairing” Spotify playlists “should” now be feasible...

Just need to:
- download Spotify playlist URIs in a systematic way
- inject them into the database correctly (and w/o getting them overwritten by some CRC check...)
- build/adapt Nuvo menus

EDIT:
- I can now replicate Spotify playlists that work and can be saved in the MPS4 at will.
- Slightly manual process. May need help to automate it.
- should be feasible on all non-modified original MPS4s if you enable read/write access to the files.
- any interest?

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Album art

Can someone tell me if other images than from the MPS4 (including online content) have ever turned up on the Nuvo app?

- Nuvo Tuner?
- iPad dock?
- NNA?
...

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Can someone tell me if other images than from the MPS4 (including online content) have ever turned up on the Nuvo app?

- Nuvo Tuner?
- iPad dock?
- NNA?
...

Just based on my research, the Autonomics App does not honor the AlbumArt flag setting for any non-MPS4 NuVoNet-enabled sources, but my testing was not exhaustive to all the NuVo products. There is never an AlbumArtAvailable call from the App in the log file for anything other than the MPS4 sources. Perhaps there's a setting I missed, so I'm not ruling it out.

What I'm curious about is if there's a way to dupe the database into showing a picture anyways. The first way you've already discovered is to replace the unavailable.jpg with he cover. Perhaps there's a way to force a reload in the DB, or to create a setting in the DB which points to another file that HS controls.
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Major Announcement: THE MPS4 HAS NATIVE AIRPLAY

You are NOT going to believe this! It is the most well kept secret of our little jewel.

Goto:
- on original WinXPe, C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Autonomic Controls\
- on Win7, C:\ProgramData\Autonomic Controls\
"Show hidden files"

Edit: MCE Control Server.xml
Change: airPlay="true"
HTML Code:
  <Sources>
    <source enabled="true" name="Music_Server_A" oName="Channel_1a" deviceId="a02848d4-b663-4df3-8a82-ad96759b2cd5" pos="Source1" formFactor="" gain="Variable" airPlay="false" airPlayPassword="" ctrlUri="" />
    <source enabled="true" name="Music_Server_B" oName="Channel_1b" deviceId="a02848d4-b663-4df3-8a82-ad96759b2cd5" pos="Source2" formFactor="" gain="Variable" airPlay="true" airPlayPassword="" ctrlUri="" />
    <source enabled="true" name="Music_Server_C" oName="Channel_1c" deviceId="a02848d4-b663-4df3-8a82-ad96759b2cd5" pos="Source3" formFactor="" gain="Variable" airPlay="false" airPlayPassword="" ctrlUri="" />
    <source enabled="true" name="Music_Server_D" oName="Channel_1d" deviceId="a02848d4-b663-4df3-8a82-ad96759b2cd5" pos="Source4" formFactor="" gain="Variable" airPlay="false" airPlayPassword="" ctrlUri="" />
  </Sources>
</Configuration>
INCREDIBLE!!

Transport control (almost) works:
- Rewind, Previous and Next works fine
- But, Pause crashes the Airplay connection for me

Album art comes nicely.

I have not tried to set a password (Airplay is exclusive anyway)

Sound appears stable and good (I have good wifi).
Tips for better Airplay: http://kb.autonomic-controls.com/kb/...try&EntryID=83
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You are NOT going to believe this! It is the most well kept secret of our little jewel.

Goto: C:\ProgramData\Autonomic Controls\
Edit: MCE Control Server.xml
Change: airPlay="true"
HTML Code:
  <Sources>
    <source enabled="true" name="Music_Server_A" oName="Channel_1a" deviceId="a02848d4-b663-4df3-8a82-ad96759b2cd5" pos="Source1" formFactor="" gain="Variable" airPlay="false" airPlayPassword="" ctrlUri="" />
    <source enabled="true" name="Music_Server_B" oName="Channel_1b" deviceId="a02848d4-b663-4df3-8a82-ad96759b2cd5" pos="Source2" formFactor="" gain="Variable" airPlay="true" airPlayPassword="" ctrlUri="" />
    <source enabled="true" name="Music_Server_C" oName="Channel_1c" deviceId="a02848d4-b663-4df3-8a82-ad96759b2cd5" pos="Source3" formFactor="" gain="Variable" airPlay="false" airPlayPassword="" ctrlUri="" />
    <source enabled="true" name="Music_Server_D" oName="Channel_1d" deviceId="a02848d4-b663-4df3-8a82-ad96759b2cd5" pos="Source4" formFactor="" gain="Variable" airPlay="false" airPlayPassword="" ctrlUri="" />
  </Sources>
</Configuration>
INCREDIBLE!!

Transport control (almost) works:
- Rewind, Previous and Next works fine
- But, Pause crashes the Airplay connection for me

Album art comes nicely.

I have not tried to set a password (Airplay is exclusive anyway)

Sound appears stable and good.
What a gem! I'm going to try it when I get home!
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You are NOT going to believe this! It is the most well kept secret of our little jewel.

Goto: C:\ProgramData\Autonomic Controls\
Edit: MCE Control Server.xml
Change: airPlay="true"
HTML Code:
  <Sources>
    <source enabled="true" name="Music_Server_A" oName="Channel_1a" deviceId="a02848d4-b663-4df3-8a82-ad96759b2cd5" pos="Source1" formFactor="" gain="Variable" airPlay="false" airPlayPassword="" ctrlUri="" />
    <source enabled="true" name="Music_Server_B" oName="Channel_1b" deviceId="a02848d4-b663-4df3-8a82-ad96759b2cd5" pos="Source2" formFactor="" gain="Variable" airPlay="true" airPlayPassword="" ctrlUri="" />
    <source enabled="true" name="Music_Server_C" oName="Channel_1c" deviceId="a02848d4-b663-4df3-8a82-ad96759b2cd5" pos="Source3" formFactor="" gain="Variable" airPlay="false" airPlayPassword="" ctrlUri="" />
    <source enabled="true" name="Music_Server_D" oName="Channel_1d" deviceId="a02848d4-b663-4df3-8a82-ad96759b2cd5" pos="Source4" formFactor="" gain="Variable" airPlay="false" airPlayPassword="" ctrlUri="" />
  </Sources>
</Configuration>
INCREDIBLE!!

Transport control (almost) works:
- Rewind, Previous and Next works fine
- But, Pause crashes the Airplay connection for me

Album art comes nicely.

I have not tried to set a password (Airplay is exclusive anyway)

Sound appears stable and good.

So the feature exists in its entirety except for a check box in the config page to set a flag to 'true' in an xml file? It seems like that it was left off due to apple licensing reasons rather than technical reasons. And then the developers left the code in as an easter egg for someone to find.

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You are NOT going to believe this! It is the most well kept secret of our little jewel.

I was unable to duplicate your success. I'm not seeing a NuVo AirPlay output added to my phone. Does this work independently for you without the 3rd party Airplay server you already installed on your MPS4? Also, for some reason, your xml source config contains a few extra items that I don't have. AirPlayPassword is not present and settable in my config file - mysterious.



Perhaps you can explain your settings a little more exactly - do you have the NuVoBridge enabled for the given output, and assigned to a source? Any other config changes you've made? Any other software you've installed on your MPS4?
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I can confirm that it works on:
- MPS4 V2, WinXPe, virgin installation of Autonomic MCS (Elite)
- MPS4 V1, Win7, new "standard" installation of Autonomic MCS (not Elite). HomeSeer3, VSPE, for NuvoBridge and device integration. Shairport-sync (SPS) as daemon/service for an Airplay clone.
- "MCS Airplay" runs even when "SPS Airplay" is shut down
- both the "MCS Airplay" and "SPS Airplay" can also run in parallel on the same MPS4

No extra settings. It just bumps into the stream as if I had chosen a radio "channel" from a MCS content source.

Especially strange that your settings look different.
BTW, I also managed to change the source name to something friendlier to show up on my iPhone after the screen shot above.

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It seems like that it was left off due to apple licensing reasons rather than technical reasons. And then the developers left the code in as an easter egg for someone to find.
Not sure. I think that a main issue could be that Airplay is quite sensitive to network quality.
10yrs ago Nuvo would have received too many support calls and complaints if they advertised the function.

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Ok I’ll have to scour my settings and loft files.

Just to confirm, you did NOT map channel B On your NuvoBridge Tab to a Nuvo source, but left it undefined in the “Pleae select” mode?

Perhaps it’s a firewall setting or a permissions problem, or perhaps it’s the elite software that has a different capability. Very odd that the confit files aren’t identically formatted.
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Just to confirm, you did NOT map channel B On your NuvoBridge Tab to a Nuvo source, but left it undefined in the “Please select” mode?
MediaServer B was already selected for GC Source2. I did not change anything. It is in a sense a MCS content source comparable to "Radio"
When you change server name in the config file, the name changes in the MCS config app and for the Airplay broadcast.
I can enable Airplay for any of the 4 available media server instances and thereby speaker pairs (or maybe have several, unclear).

Album art is saved in the cache folder as PNG. Each Airplay session gets a GUID, but the image file is overwritten for every new song.
Much like what we do with "unknown.jpg" but cannot trigger the refresh...

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Hm...
I noticed more Airplay disturbances when I increased from 3 to 4 server instances on my V1. Could be a coincidence.
Long term probably not sustainable for listening.

I think we need to understand the limits of the new Nuvo Airplay function.
Windows has a fundamental problem with latency that Unix and OS X does not have. This results in sound getting clogged up in the music engine at a low level.
It could also be the network...
Looking forward to your observations.
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