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Extender for 4k HDR with Dolby Vision 60hz?

I (and my wife) am looking to make my living room a bit cleaner looking. I would like to hide all my AV stuff in the closest closet. the problem is I think the closest closet would make cable lengths be around 60' or so which is to far for HDMI.

I Have a TV that is capable of Dolby Vision, so would like to keep that as an HDR option at 60hz.

Are there any extenders that will go over HDbaseT or SDI cables that will allow for this? I've seen the atlona ones, but they are around $1,600 which is a bit steep for me. I was hoping for $500 or less for the sender and receiver...
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I (and my wife) am looking to make my living room a bit cleaner looking. I would like to hide all my AV stuff in the closest closet. the problem is I think the closest closet would make cable lengths be around 60' or so which is to far for HDMI.

I Have a TV that is capable of Dolby Vision, so would like to keep that as an HDR option at 60hz.

Are there any extenders that will go over HDbaseT or SDI cables that will allow for this? I've seen the atlona ones, but they are around $1,600 which is a bit steep for me. I was hoping for $500 or less for the sender and receiver...
All you can do is try. 4k HDR can be very finicky with its connection. 60' is a bit long for any type of cable. Your best bet would probably be a hybrid fiber cable like the Ruipro4k. There are other hybrid fiber cables but users here on AVS who have used them for long runs appear to be very satisfied with their performance. 4k HDR works best with a single run, no extenders, dongles, adapters, wall plates etc. Hybrid fiber cables are active and will draw their power from the HDMI input. HDBT over solid core CAT-6 is a possibility but you will get compression and the newest HDMI chipsets for HDBT are not quite out yet.

At 60' I'm assuming you will be using a conduit unless you have easy access to the cable. Using conduit is the easiest and safest way to install cable. It's also a lot easier to control bend radius, which can be detrimental to the signal path. Personally, I'd look into a hybrid fiber cable before you consider HDBT or some other sort of active extender. Keep in mind that if ARC is important to you there may be issues at that length for any cable.

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I am looking into building a new house, so part of it is making sure I get the cables in that I would need, but I don't want to buy SDI-12G cables if I don't need them, etc. So I want to make sure I get what I need.

I did find the Ruipro4k cable. its spendy, but if thats the best option that's what I'll go with

I'm open to other suggestions too. This is the one https://www.amazon.com/RUIPRO-Fiber-...073N1GQFH?th=1
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I am looking into building a new house, so part of it is making sure I get the cables in that I would need, but I don't want to buy SDI-12G cables if I don't need them, etc. So I want to make sure I get what I need.

I did find the Ruipro4k cable. its spendy, but if thats the best option that's what I'll go with

I'm open to other suggestions too. This is the one https://www.amazon.com/RUIPRO-Fiber-...073N1GQFH?th=1
Conduit is the ONLY way to future proof your cabling because as video standards continue to evolve, and connection technology lags behind, the chances of changing cable in the future is highly likely, hence to use of a conduit (with a pull string for future pulls). You can also install some coax, solid core CAT-6 or 7 (non-CCA and not CAT-6 ethernet patch cable) cabling, etc for "just in case" down the road.

Yes, hybrid fiber cables are expensive, and the Ruipro8k cables (HDMI 2.1 tested) should be released soon. If you do go with the Ruipro cables, or any other cable for that matter, lay it out on the floor and test it thoroughly before installing in-wall. And be mindful of bend radius. The link is the current hybrid fiber cable from Ruipro.

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Conduit is the ONLY way to future proof your cabling because as video standards continue to evolve, and connection technology lags behind, the chances of changing cable in the future is highly likely, hence to use of a conduit (with a pull string for future pulls). You can also install some coax, solid core CAT-6 or 7 (non-CCA and not CAT-6 ethernet patch cable) cabling, etc for "just in case" down the road.

Yes, hybrid fiber cables are expensive, and the Ruipro8k cables (HDMI 2.1 tested) should be released soon. If you do go with the Ruipro cables, or any other cable for that matter, lay it out on the floor and test it thoroughly before installing in-wall. And be mindful of bend radius. The link is the current hybrid fiber cable from Ruipro.
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My speculation is that:
1. SDVoE will arrive soon with the sale of Valens SDVoE switches and years before HDMI 2.1 is a reality
2. SDVoE allows 18GBPS IP protocol to be distributed 100 meters from existing 4K HDR players
3. An Ethernet LAN wired with cat6A could carry internet streaming and 4K HDR as well as the rest of ethernet.
4. If I am up to date cat 7 is still a proposed and not adopted standard
5. While there may come a streaming version of HDMI 2.1 with a much lower bandwidth requirement wiring America for 48 GBPS is likely decades in the future.
6. HDMI.org likes to create a market for future developments long before products are available.
7. It is better to start thinking about a house wired with cat6a, (or hybrid fiber) cable for all needs-one cable which facilitates all things.

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Run 1.25" or larger conduit from point to point.

Use the HDMI/Fiber cables which you linked to for now. They are well reviewed and should be tested before they are installed to ensure they are working properly.

Once you have done this, for just a few hundred dollars, your issue for the next five to ten years is taken care of, and if the HDMI cable fails, you just replace it. You have seriously future-proofed your setup by putting in that conduit.

Oh, and always run a few pieces of cat6 behind your television so you can hard wire it to the network at the very least.

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Conduit is the way to go in terms of your future proofing and planning.

We have a few customers who have installed multiple RuiPro4K cables and use a suitable 4K with HDR HDMI Matrix to share sources to multiple Zones - other customers have gone for Solid core, non-CCA/CCS CAT6 (or installed both RuiPro4K + CAT6) and use current tech HDBT (compressed) or await the next generation HDBT (non-compressed).

Audio and Control are other factors to consider.

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