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Epson Home Cinema 5040UB

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Mostly budget, but also light output. Also, most of the reviews suggest a competitive contrast level with the JVCs - although not necessarily equivalent.
Interesting that they don't list native contrast ratio.
https://epson.com/For-Home/Projector...R/p/V11H713020
http://www.projectorcentral.com/epson-5040ub-review.htm

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Mostly budget, but also light output. Also, most of the reviews suggest a competitive contrast level with the JVCs - although not necessarily equivalent.
Hm, the Epson 5040 has a max calibrated native contrast ratio of 7000:1, and a max calibrated brightness of 1600 Lumens
https://translate.google.com/transla...t/&prev=search

The RS420 on the other hand has a minimum native contrast of 16,000:1 and a max calibrated brightness of 1540 Lumens.
https://translate.google.com/transla...0/&prev=search

I'd also go check out some reviews, most report the e-Shift on the JVCs is sharper/better than Epson's, pixel fill factor is better (less SDE)...

And as for price, you might want to check out closeout pricing on the RS420 or call AV Science about B-stock RS400's.
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Hm, the Epson 5040 has a max calibrated native contrast ratio of 7000:1, and a max calibrated brightness of 1600 Lumens
https://translate.google.com/transla...t/&prev=search

The RS420 on the other hand has a minimum native contrast of 16,000:1 and a max calibrated brightness of 1540 Lumens.
https://translate.google.com/transla...0/&prev=search

I'd also go check out some reviews, most report the e-Shift on the JVCs is sharper/better than Epson's, pixel fill factor is better (less SDE)...

And as for price, you might want to check out closeout pricing on the RS420 or call AV Science about B-stock RS400's.
Interesting. Thanks.
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I received an Amazon FireTV Stick the other day, and I cannot for the life of me get sound through my RadianceXD. I've tried everything I can think of; with and without the HDMI extender, with and without an HDMI switch, etc. Everything else works fine, from the Open Source Scan Converter, through modern videogame consoles, to my Apple TV 4.

The only way I've been able to get sound is to run it through my Oppo BDP-103, which is connected to my amplifier via stereo analogue. It's a bit of a pain to do it this way (turn on the Oppo with Eject so it doesn't play the disc in the tray, switch to that rear HDMI input...), so I'd love to hear suggestions as to how to solve this. I've turned on stereo sound output on the Stick, turned CEC and such off, etc. Please help
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What are the procedures to get a 2.35 movie onto my 16:9 screen using a Lumagen as either

1. To make it so that no black bars are showing on the top and bottom of screen and keeping same 2.35 ratio for movie. Advantage here is that the top and bottom parts of my screen are still there but are not lite up by my PJ so that they look darker in my dark HT room.

or

2. Properly stretch the 2.35 movie so that if fills my 16:9 screen. Although I do not think this will look right unless some how NLS can be used for this?

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What are the procedures to get a 2.35 movie onto my 16:9 screen using a Lumagen as either

1. To make it so that no black bars are showing on the top and bottom of screen and keeping same 2.35 ratio for movie. Advantage here is that the top and bottom parts of my screen are still there but are not lite up by my PJ so that they look darker in my dark HT room.
The black bars are limited by your projector, the Lumagen can't make them darker, unless you're talking variable aspect ratio movies, in which case it can black the parts that would be in the bars out.

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2. Properly stretch the 2.35 movie so that if fills my 16:9 screen. Although I do not think this will look right unless some how NLS can be used for this?
You're right, the only ways to make 2.35 fit into 1.78 is to either stretch, which introduces geometric distortion, or crop, which removes the sides.

Either way, this should answer your questions:
http://www.lumagen.com/docs/Tip0016_...ens_032712.pdf
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The black bars are limited by your projector, the Lumagen can't make them darker, unless you're talking variable aspect ratio movies, in which case it can black the parts that would be in the bars out.



You're right, the only ways to make 2.35 fit into 1.78 is to either stretch, which introduces geometric distortion, or crop, which removes the sides.

Either way, this should answer your questions:
http://www.lumagen.com/docs/Tip0016_...ens_032712.pdf
Thanks for the reply but that Tip seems to focus more on getting a 16:9 image onto a 2.35 screen. I am trying to do the opposite.

Currently when I display a 2.35 movie on my 16:9 screen my RS500 JVC pj lights up the top and bottom with its black bars but those bars are not so black or could be blacker if the PJ was not showing them at all. So I thought there was some way for the 2.35 image to be stretched up and down using the lumagem to fill a 16:9 screen and then maybe use my JVC to compress it back to 2.35 so that the JVC is not shinning any black bars on the top and bottom of my screen. Wondering if there is a procedure written somewhere to do this with the Lumagen ie using stretch or cropping etc.
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Have you tried using the electronic masking option in the RS500? That turns off those pixels, but should be just the same as what's encoded on the disc anyway.

Both the Lumagen and JVC will do 2.35:1 vertical stretch to fill the 16:9 image, for use with an anamorphic lens, but the JVC cannot shrink it back.
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Thanks for the reply but that Tip seems to focus more on getting a 16:9 image onto a 2.35 screen. I am trying to do the opposite.

Currently when I display a 2.35 movie on my 16:9 screen my RS500 JVC pj lights up the top and bottom with its black bars but those bars are not so black or could be blacker if the PJ was not showing them at all.
Either they're as black as they can be, or you've got a calibration problem. Like I said the Lumagen can't make the bars darker, all it can do it output black for those areas, which is the exact same luminance as the black bars if you've calibrated your setup properly. There's no way (electronically) to reduce the light coming out of the projector beyond what it's capable of natively.

If the black bars aren't black then either you've got a calibration problem, which means black isn't as dark as it should be anywhere in the image.

The other possibility, is that your room is not treated well, do you have light colored walls? If so, then the bars are being lit up by light bouncing around your room.

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So I thought there was some way for the 2.35 image to be stretched up and down using the lumagem to fill a 16:9 screen and then maybe use my JVC to compress it back to 2.35 so that the JVC is not shinning any black bars on the top and bottom of my screen. Wondering if there is a procedure written somewhere to do this with the Lumagen ie using stretch or cropping etc.
That is not possible without an anmorphic lens. You can't change a physical property of the projector (the shape of the light) electronically.
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Ok. Thanks guys. I thought there was a way to do it without and anmorphic lens.
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Hello.

I am bringing this thread back to life because i intend to buy one.
I own a very decent and well maintained Benq W6000 projector and plan to buy the Lumagen XD only for it.
I do not mind the lack of hd audio, because i will put the XD between the A/V receiver (marantz 7011) and the projector only for ISF calibration and "enhancing" the image. Obviously i will not use the XD for a switch as well.

My questions are the following, considering i do not plan to change the projector soon:

1) Is it worth it as far as image quality is concerned? My Benq will also get a new lamp and a cleaning service from a trusty ISF calibrator, so at least in theory i am as good s it gets. I get the XD on a low price so don't take that into account.
2) Aside from the excellent ISF options, are there enough image enhancing settings too? Only interested for playback of Blu-Ray backups. I am aware of its skillset in upscaling applications. I also own a HDFury Vertex. Should it matter?
3) Is it true that the XD model with the latest updates could support 3D framepacking if no sound was processed?

Thanks in advance.
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Hello.

I am bringing this thread back to life because i intend to buy one.
I own a very decent and well maintained Benq W6000 projector and plan to buy the Lumagen XD only for it.
I do not mind the lack of hd audio, because i will put the XD between the A/V receiver (marantz 7011) and the projector only for ISF calibration and "enhancing" the image. Obviously i will not use the XD for a switch as well.

My questions are the following, considering i do not plan to change the projector soon:

1) Is it worth it as far as image quality is concerned? My Benq will also get a new lamp and a cleaning service from a trusty ISF calibrator, so at least in theory i am as good s it gets. I get the XD on a low price so don't take that into account.
2) Aside from the excellent ISF options, are there enough image enhancing settings too? Only interested for playback of Blu-Ray backups. I am aware of its skillset in upscaling applications. I also own a HDFury Vertex. Should it matter?
3) Is it true that the XD model with the latest updates could support 3D framepacking if no sound was processed?

Thanks in advance.
I have an XE, not 3D (3D can be added by Lumagen for I think $300 and I think it can be done remote), for sale. If interested AVS PM me with your phone or email and we can talk. I can give you a good deal!

I also have a Lumagen 2143 for sale. You won't need the 4k upsampling. But it does 3D, also has Darbee which for blu ray alone at 1080p I think will enhance your picture (that's why I bought it in the first place, to replace the XE, but later I got my Sony 5000ES laser projector and the Radiance Pro), also for calibration the 2143 has more capacity for a better calibration (look at specs on Lumagen website and compare the models).

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I have an XE, not 3D (3D can be added by Lumagen for I think $300 and I think it can be done remote), for sale. If interested AVS PM me with your phone or email and we can talk. I can give you a good deal!

I also have a Lumagen 2143 for sale. You won't need the 4k upsampling. But it does 3D, also has Darbee which for blu ray alone at 1080p I think will enhance your picture (that's why I bought it in the first place, to replace the XE, but later I got my Sony 5000ES laser projector and the Radiance Pro), also for calibration the 2143 has more capacity for a better calibration (look at specs on Lumagen website and compare the models).
Not actually interested in 3d,i just wanted to know. Thanks for the offer but I have practically closed the deal and I am sure that you don't live in Greece to make things easier
What about the combination of XD and the Benq W6000? Does the XD offer enough enhancements to provide a way better visual experience?

Thanks again.
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Not actually interested in 3d,i just wanted to know. Thanks for the offer but I have practically closed the deal and I am sure that you don't live in Greece to make things easier
What about the combination of XD and the Benq W6000? Does the XD offer enough enhancements to provide a way better visual experience?

Thanks again.
You are right - I'm in Arizona!

Be careful - the XE is HDMI 1.3 I believe and the XD I think is an earlier HDMI, make sure it will work for what you want if you are running audio from the LUmagen to your receiver or surround sound processor.

The XD alone will most likely to your eyes look better when it comes to scaling that your projector. As I said, the Darbee enhancement in the 2143 would add even further. The XD is an old model and not worth much if anything and it was back in the day a grand to upgrade the XD to the XE.
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Hello.

I am bringing this thread back to life because i intend to buy one.
I own a very decent and well maintained Benq W6000 projector and plan to buy the Lumagen XD only for it.
I do not mind the lack of hd audio, because i will put the XD between the A/V receiver (marantz 7011) and the projector only for ISF calibration and "enhancing" the image. Obviously i will not use the XD for a switch as well.

My questions are the following, considering i do not plan to change the projector soon:

1) Is it worth it as far as image quality is concerned? My Benq will also get a new lamp and a cleaning service from a trusty ISF calibrator, so at least in theory i am as good s it gets. I get the XD on a low price so don't take that into account.
2) Aside from the excellent ISF options, are there enough image enhancing settings too? Only interested for playback of Blu-Ray backups. I am aware of its skillset in upscaling applications. I also own a HDFury Vertex. Should it matter?
3) Is it true that the XD model with the latest updates could support 3D framepacking if no sound was processed?

Thanks in advance.
I have one I could sell. It's in Germany, though.
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Noticed now, that you weren't looking for one for buying...
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It doesn't matter. Thanks anyway

Well, i am a proud owner for almost 2 days now. It is the XD3D model.
I will calibrate (again) my projector soon, so i only checked the "enhance" settings.

I was told to insert 10/10/10 or 8/8/5 in the first three sharpness settings during BD playback. The image was indeed "better" to the eye.
My ISF calibrator will let me know the toll on image in terms of accuracy.

What i don't know is which settings are commonly tweaked during DVD and SD playback (480/576p) for better upscaling.
Can someone propose?

Thanks again.
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