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Dammit - just when I thought we'd gotten past outboard processors you come up with this...I'd never heard of a LUT-box...there goes another $700...

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Yes and no:-) yeah the scalers have gotten better. And most material is 1080p so they have become far less critical. But the CMS on the LG Oleds is flawed (just look at the reviews). Things I would personally miss are:

- an actual CMS that works
- good auto switching
- the info pane telling me about the signal (bit depth, chroma subsampling, frequency)
- the fact that it can fuction as a pattern generator

For an CMS only you can consider a LUT box. Which is far cheaper than a video processor, where Lumagen is the only game in town these days.
thanks for the response. i've just gotten my 65e6p and am playing with a bit. first impressions are lots of potential but color out of the box, and after blindly plugging in others' folks values, the color doesn't do it for me and i definitely need a calibration.


since i last used calibration tools, i've moved all my computers to Linux, and i've failed to get calman enthusiast to run under wine, so my next step is to see if i can get calman running in virtual box.

i don't find much of my content in 1080p (mostly 1080i/720p captured via SageTV) so for now, i'm using the iscan duo to ouput 1080p to the LG OLED..............comparisons will follow when i get around to it. initially the iscan duo defaulted to VGA out (whatever that means, i've forgotten after all these years) after connecting the LG, so i manually set the output back to 1080p which I felt looked better with a short, late at night comparison.

supposedly, DVDO is working on a 4k capable box...............i guess we'll see, but for now dvdo @ 1080p into OLED is looking sweet after a highly non-critical view.

while i'm a technical geek, but haven't followed the last 10 years in color wars, hdr, hdmi2.0, etc so i've got some research to do before i know enough to even begin asking questions about CMS.

on the other hand, my old JVC, while giving me a good 12+ years, had been succumbing to the "dreaded creeping yellow blob" so when the bulb died for the 2nd time, i had a good excuse to upgrade................and 65" >>> 56" (and after two weeks of watching a 32" LCD, my wife was ready too).
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Yes and no:-) yeah the scalers have gotten better. And most material is 1080p so they have become far less critical. But the CMS on the LG Oleds is flawed (just look at the reviews). Things I would personally miss are:

- an actual CMS that works
- good auto switching
- the info pane telling me about the signal (bit depth, chroma subsampling, frequency)
- the fact that it can fuction as a pattern generator

For an CMS only you can consider a LUT box. Which is far cheaper than a video processor, where Lumagen is the only game in town these days.
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Dammit - just when I thought we'd gotten past outboard processors you come up with this...I'd never heard of a LUT-box...there goes another $700...
hopefully a lot less? iScan mini is only $299 and scales to 4K resolution (not sure if it does CMS/LUT or not).
has anyone tried an iScan mini with a 4K OLED?
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Check here http://www.displaycalibrations.com/eecolor_order.html

Is it NOT 4K though. Where does that DVDO rumour come from? The Duo is great, too bad they abandoned it. They appear to be doing the same with their 4K TPG. Lumagen's support is way better but their price is a lot higher too.

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Check here http://www.displaycalibrations.com/eecolor_order.html

Is it NOT 4K though. Where does that DVDO rumour come from? The Duo is great, too bad they abandoned it. They appear to be doing the same with their 4K TPG. Lumagen's support is way better but their price is a lot higher too.
http://dvdo.com/dvdo-transitions-bac...ity-solutions/

i like their timing.........maybe they were waiting for me to get a new TV after all these years

by the way, while i haven't gotten around to doing any color calibration, using the dvdo iscan duo to process my video inputs to 1080p into the LG 65e6p gives a stunningly 3D like image........haven't tried bypassing the iscan duo (yet) since it also serves as my hdmi selector.

i'll try Calman auto-calibration with the dvdo as soon as i can figure out how to run Calman on a linux laptop (i've eliminated all my windows OS machines since I last used calman many years ago).

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Hey all


So I picked up a DVDO DUO, and I am having an issue I cannot figure out.. I cannot get any audio at all out of the DUO, it is connected to my Marantz 6011 receiver, video is passing though fine, but 0 audio from anything! I have it set up where video goes into the DUO then out of the DUO to the receiver, and HDMI to the TV.. I even tried changing the settings on the DUO to HDMI Audio out, but nothing even that way...


I really want to get this going, just spent a few hours labeling inputs and tweeking everything, but just cannot get any sound, I know the DUO is 1.3 and the Marantz is 2.0a, but even just standard optical will not output sound.. I am lost!


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Hey all


So I picked up a DVDO DUO, and I am having an issue I cannot figure out.. I cannot get any audio at all out of the DUO, it is connected to my Marantz 6011 receiver, video is passing though fine, but 0 audio from anything! I have it set up where video goes into the DUO then out of the DUO to the receiver, and HDMI to the TV.. I even tried changing the settings on the DUO to HDMI Audio out, but nothing even that way...


I really want to get this going, just spent a few hours labeling inputs and tweeking everything, but just cannot get any sound, I know the DUO is 1.3 and the Marantz is 2.0a, but even just standard optical will not output sound.. I am lost!


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Hi Balborules,
You may have a hdmi loop which would stop your audio from working. Could you describe how you have cabled your sources, receiver and duo together?

If you purchased the duo second hand I would also do a factory reset on it so you are starting at a known point.

Usually you would run everything into your receiver. You then take the hdmi out from your receiver and connect it to an input on the Duo. You then connect output 1 of the duo to your TV.

Sources -> receiver -> duo -> display

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Hi Balborules,
You may have a hdmi loop which would stop your audio from working. Could you describe how you have cabled your sources, receiver and duo together?

If you purchased the duo second hand I would also do a factory reset on it so you are starting at a known point.

Usually you would run everything into your receiver. You then take the hdmi out from your receiver and connect it to an input on the Duo. You then connect output 1 of the duo to your TV.

Sources -> receiver -> duo -> display

Regards,
Stephen
Hi Stephen

First, I appreciate your help! I did buy it second hand but it had a factory reset done to it when I got it in this week, I had an Edge in the past, and I wired it the same way, ran all my HDMI to the Edge, then to the receiver then the receiver out to the TV.

Can you explain an HDMI loop to me? I wanted to reduce the switching of inputs on the receiver, and I have a few 4K sources going into the receiver as well, that would not pass though the Duo if I went that way.

Also, very odd, I reversed everything today, and for some reason my Toshiba HD DVD player will not display a picture any longer, I have 2 of the same model so I switched them out, and still nothing.. I even tried HD DVD straight to the TV, and nothing. Would you have any idea as to why it would play video but no audio to the receiver, yet I connected it straight to the TV and there WAS sound from the TV speakers.. Really driving me nuts on this one!

I would think HDMI 1.3 should be able to be fed through a receiver that every input is 2.0a, But any HDMI INTO the receiver has sound. And the Toshiba is just displaying on the screen not compatible with source...

I believe the software is version 2.7 so it is not old firmware.

Thanks again, look forward to your response.
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First things first. Are you 100% certain that you have the audio output set correctly on the DVDO? There are a lot of options there. The DVDO can take in audio via one cable (say optical) and output it to another (say HDMI), and vice versa. Then there is also the audio only HDMI out.


Note, I have the DVDO Duo working with a Marantz pre/pro 7005 and another working with a Marantz pre/pro 8800a, and both work fine.
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Hi Stephen

First, I appreciate your help! I did buy it second hand but it had a factory reset done to it when I got it in this week, I had an Edge in the past, and I wired it the same way, ran all my HDMI to the Edge, then to the receiver then the receiver out to the TV.

Can you explain an HDMI loop to me? I wanted to reduce the switching of inputs on the receiver, and I have a few 4K sources going into the receiver as well, that would not pass though the Duo if I went that way.

Also, very odd, I reversed everything today, and for some reason my Toshiba HD DVD player will not display a picture any longer, I have 2 of the same model so I switched them out, and still nothing.. I even tried HD DVD straight to the TV, and nothing. Would you have any idea as to why it would play video but no audio to the receiver, yet I connected it straight to the TV and there WAS sound from the TV speakers.. Really driving me nuts on this one!

I would think HDMI 1.3 should be able to be fed through a receiver that every input is 2.0a, But any HDMI INTO the receiver has sound. And the Toshiba is just displaying on the screen not compatible with source...

I believe the software is version 2.7 so it is not old firmware.

Thanks again, look forward to your response.
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A HDMI loop is when you have devices connected to the DVDO Duo, devices connected to the receiver and the receiver connected to the Duo. You can create a "loop" and HDMI does not like that at all. I've had this exact problem with my Yamaha CX-5100 and Duo. This caused audio to not function as the CX-5100 can not complete the handshake correctly. In my case I had a Panasonic UB900 connected to my projector and its audio output connected to my CX-5100. My CX-5100 connects to an input on the Duo. Another HDMI cable from the duo was also connected to the projector. The below created a loop with causing no audio from the CX-5100:
UB900 audio-> CX5100 -> Duo -> projector
UB900 video->Projector
In this case a HDMI loop was created if the Duo was powered on.

I normally have devices configured as:
source devices-> CX-5100->Duo out1->TV
or
source devices-> CX-5100->Duo out 2-> Projector


As Chexi1 has suggested, let's break the problem down. I would firstly check that the Duo is working ok. Disconnect your receiver from the duo. Just connect one device, say a blu-ray player or cable box to hdmi input 1 on the duo. Now connect output 1 from the duo to your TV. Does sound and video pass through the Duo correctly and you can see /hear the output on your TV? You can try these combinations:

blu-ray -> duo - > TV
blu-ray -> duo -> receiver -> TV
blu-ray -> receiver -> duo -> TV

Which ones do not give sound or video?

Other items to check:
Try different inputs on the Duo (in case an input is bad).
Try different HDMI cables , just in case a cable is bad.

Regards,
Stephen
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First things first. Are you 100% certain that you have the audio output set correctly on the DVDO? There are a lot of options there. The DVDO can take in audio via one cable (say optical) and output it to another (say HDMI), and vice versa. Then there is also the audio only HDMI out.


Note, I have the DVDO Duo working with a Marantz pre/pro 7005 and another working with a Marantz pre/pro 8800a, and both work fine.


Thank you


I had all devices going into the HDMI inputs, I tried both outputs 1 and 2 into the receiver, and made the changes in the menu, I also try changing out the settings to output audio only to the receiver, and could not get any sound. Last night I did a full reset to factory defaults and plan on trying again.
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Hi Balborules,
A HDMI loop is when you have devices connected to the DVDO Duo, devices connected to the receiver and the receiver connected to the Duo. You can create a "loop" and HDMI does not like that at all. I've had this exact problem with my Yamaha CX-5100 and Duo. This caused audio to not function as the CX-5100 can not complete the handshake correctly. In my case I had a Panasonic UB900 connected to my projector and its audio output connected to my CX-5100. My CX-5100 connects to an input on the Duo. Another HDMI cable from the duo was also connected to the projector. The below created a loop with causing no audio from the CX-5100:
UB900 audio-> CX5100 -> Duo -> projector
UB900 video->Projector
In this case a HDMI loop was created if the Duo was powered on.

I normally have devices configured as:
source devices-> CX-5100->Duo out1->TV
or
source devices-> CX-5100->Duo out 2-> Projector


As Chexi1 has suggested, let's break the problem down. I would firstly check that the Duo is working ok. Disconnect your receiver from the duo. Just connect one device, say a blu-ray player or cable box to hdmi input 1 on the duo. Now connect output 1 from the duo to your TV. Does sound and video pass through the Duo correctly and you can see /hear the output on your TV? You can try these combinations:

blu-ray -> duo - > TV
blu-ray -> duo -> receiver -> TV
blu-ray -> receiver -> duo -> TV

Which ones do not give sound or video?

Other items to check:
Try different inputs on the Duo (in case an input is bad).
Try different HDMI cables , just in case a cable is bad.

Regards,
Stephen


Stephen


Thank you for taking the time to explain this to me, I decided to do a full factory reset on the unit again, but it was way to late to start switching all the HDMI's around again. I am going to try your approach, and try one device at a time. I have a feeling there is something flaky on this unit, as there are times where I see a bunch of blue speckles on the left side of the screen, I have to unplug the unit and plug it back in to make this go away. I ordered a new power supply for the unit, I just hope it is not a bad capacitor inside the Duo itself, on my Edge, I had the internal power supply board go bad.


I am going to go back to square one on this, and I will post the results, I have some new ideas after reading the posts here.


Thank you
Steve
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Thank you for taking the time to explain this to me, I decided to do a full factory reset on the unit again, but it was way to late to start switching all the HDMI's around again. I am going to try your approach, and try one device at a time. I have a feeling there is something flaky on this unit, as there are times where I see a bunch of blue speckles on the left side of the screen, I have to unplug the unit and plug it back in to make this go away. I ordered a new power supply for the unit, I just hope it is not a bad capacitor inside the Duo itself, on my Edge, I had the internal power supply board go bad.

I am going to go back to square one on this, and I will post the results, I have some new ideas after reading the posts here.

Thank you
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I had a Duo for several years and every so often it would get the blue specs and some odd green artifacts around text. Unlike your case, the specks were over the entire screen. Once I rebooted, the artifacts would stay away for several months. The audio worked fine with my Marantz 7010 which is pretty close to your 6011. Of course it should work with just about any AVR. I may have missed this but do you get audio when connected directly to your TV?
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I had a Duo for several years and every so often it would get the blue specs and some odd green artifacts around text. Unlike your case, the specks were over the entire screen. Once I rebooted, the artifacts would stay away for several months. The audio worked fine with my Marantz 7010 which is pretty close to your 6011. Of course it should work with just about any AVR. I may have missed this but do you get audio when connected directly to your TV?

Yes, actually I do get audio when it is connected straight to the TV.
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Yes, actually I do get audio when it is connected straight to the TV.
Maybe try connecting the audio only HDMI from the Duo to the TV just to know if it is outputting sound. You would have to make sure the soundtrack was playable by your TV and not something it can't handle.
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I have the audio only output to my yamaha 3050 Avr.

I hope they release a new 4k version of the dvdo duo.

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I got two audio glitches. One time the audio was significantly delayed and another time, the audio was muted. Both issues got fixed after a reboot. I have v2.32 Build 0.79d . Bought it on ebay an using it since three days.

Where can we find the latest update and do you think it should help prevent those issues?
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I got the latest update from DVDO support. See attachment!
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dvdo iscan duo softw. 2.41

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Please, can you send to my email adress the latest update software?
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You're right. I'm on 2.41 The versions between 1.03 and 2.32 are all beta versions. I wonder if the same was true for 2.40 and 2.41. If I remember correctly, 2.40 simply added the ISF profiles, and 2.41 corrected the instability 2.40 caused. I'm not 100% sure about that, however.

Please, can you send to my email adress the latest update software?
Thanks in advance, Jo


Yikes, that's a long cable. Is an active HDMI cable? I've heard anything in the 50ft or greater neighborhood can cause instability if it's not active.I have no idea if that could be causing your problems, but I just don't know.



Cheap Monoprice HDMI cables. All of them are high speed with ethernet.



Can you bypass the outboard box to test whether or not things are stable without it? I'm still not clear what purpose the outboard box serves. If it's just to allow you to switch HDMI ports, is there any reason not to use the Duo (assuming - and this is a major assumption - you can get it stable).



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I have an odd circumstance and wonder if anyone else here has had it.

My Duo doesn't respond to its remote when it comes to the power button. I have to turn the unit on and off manually. Once on, everything else seems to work. I tried a hard restart (unplugging and plugging in) which didn't work. Per Ken at DVDO, I tried a factory reset, which worked for about a week, but the unit's gone back to being unresponsive. I also tried new batteries in the remote, which had no effect also. If I can find the remote from my previous unit, I'll try that.

The unit is discontinued, and DVDO doesn't do repairs anymore due to parts unavailability, so I can continue using the Duo as is currently, go direct into my Kuro 111FD (which will affect PQ for my LD player), or swallow hard and go after a Lumagen. I lean toward option 2 at the moment.

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I have an odd circumstance and wonder if anyone else here has had it.

My Duo doesn't respond to its remote when it comes to the power button. I have to turn the unit on and off manually. Once on, everything else seems to work. I tried a hard restart (unplugging and plugging in) which didn't work. Per Ken at DVDO, I tried a factory reset, which worked for about a week, but the unit's gone back to being unresponsive. I also tried new batteries in the remote, which had no effect also. If I can find the remote from my previous unit, I'll try that.

The unit is discontinued, and DVDO doesn't do repairs anymore due to parts unavailability, so I can continue using the Duo as is currently, go direct into my Kuro 111FD (which will affect PQ for my LD player), or swallow hard and go after a Lumagen. I lean toward option 2 at the moment.
Hi,

DVDO apparently bought back the rights and I think will be working on new products but when is the question,

Lumagen's are great but expensive but do constantly provide new firmware with features and bug fixes even for legacy products.

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Hi,

DVDO apparently bought back the rights and I think will be working on new products but when is the question,

Lumagen's are great but expensive but do constantly provide new firmware with features and bug fixes even for legacy products.

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Problem solved, apparently.

I got the remote from the previous Duo and it's working. I've no idea why the power button the newer unit came with wouldn't work. Perhaps I sat on it and damaged the button somehow? It doesn't feel any different. Anyway, I'll keep an eye on this. The factory reset worked for a few days then I started having the same trouble again; we'll see if that re-occurs.
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My DVDO is very temperamental responding to remote control commands. Whether is the factory remote or the programmed Harmony remote. What I have been able to gather is that the angle of the ir sensor is very small. Whichever remote I'm using has to be nearly perfectly level to the ir sensor.
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I am finally a proud owner of a Duo and right off the bat seem to have gotten myself confused. I am trying to upscale an original Xbox and PS2 over component. The Xbox has been set to allow 480p/720p/1080i but when it?s on the duo it just flickers the background when the duo menu is displayed and won?t show a steady picture. Is it best to keep the sources at 480i and instead of allow a progressive source? Any help would be appreciated.
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I thought iScan Duo owners may like to know what changing (upgrading) to a 4k Lumagen Radiance Pro is like.

I used my Duo with a Panasonic VT50 plasma (that's FullHD) and a Darbee Doublet and have Chromapure and an EyeOne calibrator - and it was great (particularly the calibration setup), but at 55", 1080p and not super bright I got upgrade-itis.

So I went and bought a 4k 65" Panasonic EZ1000 OLED (considered the best TV available for a grand total of a week before they announced this years models!) a Radiance Pro 4242 and an Oppo 203 (just so I could see some proper 4k stuff on it).

I got the TV a few weeks before the Radiance so just fed the Duo into it and let the TV upscale from 1080 to 4k and I have to say it is a good combo. Plugged the Oppo straight into the TV. I should have tried that setup before getting the Radiance as it (the Radiance) cost 50% more than the (expensive) TV. I could calibrate using the Duo and the TV does a good enough job upscaling 1080p from the Duo.

I'm still trying to make sense of the, frankly terrible, manual for the Radiance. I think it presumes you are in the calibration business. It is not an easy read for the average (technically minded) end user. On top of that the GUI is a bit clunky. Yes, it explains where most settings are, but not how you might set it. They really need some professional manual writers to convert the tech speak into language the average person can understand - even to make it grammatically correct. Or a heap of instructive Youtube videos.

So far I couldn't say the upscaling is any better than what the TV does and it seems virtually any change in the default settings induces HDCP errors and no picture. It's actually a bit of a PITA.

It's a shame DVDO don't have a 4k version of the Duo as I find it much easier to use and the manual is better. I would think it'd be far cheaper than the Radiance too.
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They do have a iscan mini 4k but it does not do bt2020 or hdr passthrough etc.

DVDO has transition back so hopefully see some 4k products that are affordable.

I had he same experience on my Lumagen xs3d and sold it and went back to dvdo.

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I recently received a Duo with bad firmware. I have emailed support asking for the newest firmware but have no response after 3 days. I downloaded the 2.41 from this thread but it will not take it just loads up then error re install firmware on display. Please help.
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Here is the latest firmware and manual

https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=58498
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Big thanks for the download link and the quick response. If it helps someone else, I had found that site and downloaded that file but it did not work. I then borrowed a Windows laptop and downloaded it again and this time it worked. I don't know it needs a Windows PC to update correctly or if a Mac does not unzip it correctly.

Big Thanks again as you saved me.
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It's a shame DVDO don't have a 4k version of the Duo as I find it much easier to use and the manual is better. I would think it'd be far cheaper than the Radiance too.
Yep - I'd love it if they made a Duo 4K. I've had a Duo since the very early days with a very similar setup to yours (various Pana plasmas etc.) and it's been brilliant. Older Lumagen's always were horrible for end users - as you say, more for pro installers - shame that hasn't changed. I'm really unsure what to do when I make the 4K step - fingers crossed for DVDO to do something sooner rather than later. I guess the question is whether the market is really big enough..
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