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post #8431 of 10127 Old 01-06-2015, 07:56 PM
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^ ^ ^ Just not sure if it's worth the hassle plus I would feel a little bad about Amazon eating the return costs of me sending it back if I wasn't happy trying a new one out to see if it did make a difference over my old used one.

Like I said a couple of posts back, I went through all the different settings for about a month or so, and could see no discernible improvements. It just looked like maybe the pixels got moved around is all.
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Respecting everyone's point of view, and knowing that what works best in my room only counts in my room, the Darbee effect on my Epson 6020UB throwing at a 110" screen is an irreplaceable must have for me. No surprise cuz I'm picky to the point of being slightly OCD about this stuff.

What did surprise me is that my wife, who usually doesn't care about AV details, has watched the before and after on the Darbee, and its probably her favorite bit of gear. Who knew?

What I do know is that Guardians of the Galaxy at Darbee HD 46% was a spectacular serving of eye candy the other night. IMHO. YMMV.
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Just ordered mine, super excited to see how it improves the 118" image thrown from my Sony VPL-HW50ES!! Maybe I'll finally be pleased with the HD image from Dish Network.
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Just ordered mine, super excited to see how it improves the 118" image thrown from my Sony VPL-HW50ES!! Maybe I'll finally be pleased with the HD image from Dish Network.
I bet you'll love what it does to your Dish signal. The higher quality the production, the more you will see the difference. Check out Game of Thrones as a prime example. From the opening credits, you'll appreciate fine detail you didn't see before.

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I just ordered one to pair with my 67-inch Samsung LED Light Engine DLP set. I am hoping it will provide a nice improvement to my picture while I wait for large OLED sets to get more affordable. My primary source component is a Roku box, as I stream the majority of my content. I will be especially interested to see the impact on Vudu HDX content, as that is where I have a huge portion of my movie library.

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It worked well with my Sammy 67" LED set when I had a Darblet hooked up to it.

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The 5000 is on sale now for 199.00 think i will pull the trigger for my Benq w1070.....

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Curious if any of you Darblet owners us it with their gaming consoles. Xbox One.....
Does it create any input lag?
I had my Xbox One connected to my Oppo BDP103 and then to my projector. The Oppo has the Odeo video scaler in it. I have the non-Darbee model. Anyway, running the video through the Oppo was creating input lag. My son was playing and said it was lagging. So I routed the Xbox straight into the projector and the lag went away. Obviously it was being created by the Oppo's video processing.


My question is if the Darblet will do the same. I am considering buying the Darblet being it is $199 now. My primary reason for getting one is hoping I will enjoy the effect it has on both my BenQ HT1075 projector and the Panasonic 60" Plasma I use. I'm pretty much just a movie watcher now. A little gaming now and then. Reading how it has the gaming setting, I thought my son might like it for his Xbox One as well. But not if it is gonna be like the Oppo and create input lag.
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Curious if any of you Darblet owners us it with their gaming consoles. Xbox One.....
Does it create any input lag?
I had my Xbox One connected to my Oppo BDP103 and then to my projector. The Oppo has the Odeo video scaler in it. I have the non-Darbee model. Anyway, running the video through the Oppo was creating input lag. My son was playing and said it was lagging. So I routed the Xbox straight into the projector and the lag went away. Obviously it was being created by the Oppo's video processing.


My question is if the Darblet will do the same. I am considering buying the Darblet being it is $199 now. My primary reason for getting one is hoping I will enjoy the effect it has on both my BenQ HT1075 projector and the Panasonic 60" Plasma I use. I'm pretty much just a movie watcher now. A little gaming now and then. Reading how it has the gaming setting, I thought my son might like it for his Xbox One as well. But not if it is gonna be like the Oppo and create input lag.
Anyone???
The Darblet adds 3 MICROseconds of lag. (i.e. none). Enjoy!
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Hi Darbee fans,
We use one on our front projector. Works great.
The price drop has me thinking of adding one to our 65" Panasonic plasma. The picture is already superb. I can not imagine much improvement.
Has anyone here used them on a large plasma display? If so, what are your thoughts? Is it worth the $200 and the hassle of occasional HDMI issues?
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Hi Darbee fans,
We use one on our front projector. Works great.
The price drop has me thinking of adding one to our 65" Panasonic plasma. The picture is already superb. I can not imagine much improvement.
Has anyone here used them on a large plasma display? If so, what are your thoughts? Is it worth the $200 and the hassle of occasional HDMI issues?
We only watch DirectV on our Panasonic P65vt50 plasma. It's almost all HD, but mostly 720P.
Any thoughts on weather (or not) it will help?

Thanks.

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I got mine last night and hooked it up to my 67-inch Samsung LED Light Engine DLP set. I recently moved and have no unpacked my Blu-Rays yet, so I used a Vudu HDX copy of Guardians of the Galaxy. The Darbee made a noticeable difference. It really improved the black level and fine detail with HDX content. It also made a nice impact on 1080p Netflix streams, so my initial question regarding whether or not it would enhance quality streamed material was answered. Then I watched a poorly produced local news program transcoding to 720p by my Tablo DVR and it looked horrific. The Darbee definitely made it worse rather than better by accentuating the noise, artifacts, etc. that were present in the material. Given that I'm migrating toward a mostly hardwired network anyway, I reconfigured the Tablo to transcode to 1080p. This helped, but the bad content still looked worse. The good news is that it looked awful without the Darbee too. Other DVR content in both 720p and 1080p looked a lot better, so it was clearly a content issue. I know I would not want to watch a low bit-rate movie rip with this thing (not that I want to anyway). You need to have at least reasonable decent source material.

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Curious if any of you Darblet owners us it with their gaming consoles. Xbox One.....
Does it create any input lag?
I had my Xbox One connected to my Oppo BDP103 and then to my projector. The Oppo has the Odeo video scaler in it. I have the non-Darbee model. Anyway, running the video through the Oppo was creating input lag. My son was playing and said it was lagging. So I routed the Xbox straight into the projector and the lag went away. Obviously it was being created by the Oppo's video processing......................
I've never had any lag issues with 360's, XBOnes, or a PS4 in both of my setups with Darblets.

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Hi Darbee fans,
We use one on our front projector. Works great.
The price drop has me thinking of adding one to our 65" Panasonic plasma. The picture is already superb. I can not imagine much improvement.
Has anyone here used them on a large plasma display? If so, what are your thoughts? Is it worth the $200 and the hassle of occasional HDMI issues?
We only watch DirectV on our Panasonic P65vt50 plasma. It's almost all HD, but mostly 720P.
Any thoughts on weather (or not) it will help?

Thanks.

I have a calibrated VT60 and the Darby did nothing for the picture quality.. So I returned it.


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I have a Darbee Darblet 5000 connected between my Onkyo TX-NR636 and Samsung PN60F8500 60" plasma. My wife and I have enjoyed our Darblet's enhancements since we purchased it April 2013. Last night we watched a FiOS DVR recorded "Thor: The Dark World" and the picture quality was stunning.

After the movie, I mentioned to my wife that some people with projectors report no difference in picture quality when they try a Darblet. Our experience has been that the improvement we see are the same as what is shown on the DarbeeVision.com website's Gallery. As an experiment, I went to the F8500's SMARTHUB browser application and viewed the DarbeeVision Gallery directly to the F8500 without the Darblet in the video chain. The Gallery picture improvements where the same as what we see with other sources (DVD & Fios) in Darblet Demo mode.

Wonder what the DarbeeVision Gallery would look like when reprocessed with a Darblet and without.
If I had the Gallery images on a USB thumb drive I could view the Gallery through my TX-NR636's USB port. The double processed Gallery's images would be interesting to compare.

It would be interesting if projector owners who see no DarbeeVision improvement would repeat my experiment with the Gallery and post their results.


Suggestion to Darbee: Provide a way to download all the DarbeeVision Gallery pictures as files to a USB thumbdrive. The Interactive Images could be shown in three versions: no enhancement, split like Demo mode, and full image Darbee processed.

Update to suggestion:
These USB images could be viewed by potential buyers on their TV's and for troubleshooting when no improvement seen during installation. They would show what the TV's display is capable of rendering.

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Darbee has a demo that either sweeps of divides the screen to show with and without darbee.


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Hi Darbee fans,
We use one on our front projector. Works great.
The price drop has me thinking of adding one to our 65" Panasonic plasma. The picture is already superb. I can not imagine much improvement.
Has anyone here used them on a large plasma display? If so, what are your thoughts? Is it worth the $200 and the hassle of occasional HDMI issues?
We only watch DirectV on our Panasonic P65vt50 plasma. It's almost all HD, but mostly 720P.
Any thoughts on weather (or not) it will help?

Thanks.
What HDMI issues? My Darbee just showed up for my 136" projection. I'm just trying to figure out optimal settings for Blu-ray & Streamed content.

If this thing causes HDMI handshake issues I'll just send it back now.

Any info you can provide would be great.
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What HDMI issues? My Darbee just showed up for my 136" projection. I'm just trying to figure out optimal settings for Blu-ray & Streamed content.

If this thing causes HDMI handshake issues I'll just send it back now.

Any info you can provide would be great.
I've had no HDMI issues. I use several HDMI switches, a couple of splitters, a DVDO DUO video processor, plus a Denon 4520 receiver. The darblet has worked greta in this setup for me.

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I've had no HDMI issues. I use several HDMI switches, a couple of splitters, a DVDO DUO video processor, plus a Denon 4520 receiver. The darblet has worked greta in this setup for me.
Just set it up between my Denon 4520 and JVS RS46. Updating Harmony now. We'll see....

I've often seen devices like this as 'cheater devices' that don't really do much other than make it look 'different' and rely solely on owners-bias for sales, support and hype.

If it looks better (not just different), I will be happy.

I just need to figure out best settings for content.

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Just have to find out where the best settings are.

I can see already that Darbee should incorporate specific IR codes for user-saved preset settings to make thinks a bit easier for the user.

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Many of the early Darblet owners, myself included, discovered that using short, even high quality, HDMI cables on either or both ends of the Darblet prevented successful HDMI handshaking. The HDMI chip used in the Darblets has timing issuses with cables of length less than six feet. As far as I know, that problem still exists and is document. The FAQ at http://darbeevision.com/faq-darblet-dvp-5000 says:

"What kind of HDMI cables should I use? How long should they be?
Use an HDMI cable that works. We don’t see any correlation between price and interoperability. It has been claimed that HDMI cables that are less than six feet long may not provide consistent sync. We have plenty of customers who have replaced short HDMI cables with longer cables and the new longer cable fixed their HDMI sync issue. Cables that are longer than 20’ may not hold signal integrity as well."

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Many of the early Darblet owners, myself included, discovered that using short, even high quality, HDMI cables on either or both ends of the Darblet prevented successful HDMI handshaking. The HDMI chip used in the Darblets has timing issuses with cables of length less than six feet. As far as I know, that problem still exists
Interesting.

I currently have a 1 meter cable between my receiver and Darbee and a 25 foot cable between my Darbee and the projector. So far so good.

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I currently have a 1 meter cable between my receiver and Darbee and a 25 foot cable between my Darbee and the projector. So far so good.
When I got my Darblet in April 2013, I tried every combination of half meter, one meter, and two meter HDMI cable for both input and output between my Samsung PN-F8500 and Onkyo TX-NR609. My only successful combination was two meter for both input and output. I have upgraded to an Onkyo TX-NR636 but still use the old cables. As is always the case, your mileage may vary.

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So what is your impression so far Dreamliner?
I'm more concerned on improvements to BluRay, Amazon Prime/Netflix streaming, and Xbox One.
Basically HD content that already looks good. If the Darblet can improve them and give them a bit more pop, I will feel comfortable jumping in.
Especially on the projector. My Panasonic Plasma already looks incredible so I wouldn't expect much improvement there. But the BenQ HT1075 I just picked up looks like it could use some more detail and POP!
Anyway, looking forward to your impressions now that you have played with it a bit.

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So what is your impression so far Dreamliner?
I have a Denon 4520 receiver, JVS RS46 projector and a 136" 2.35:1 screen (108" in 1.78:1/16x9).

I was watching last nights episode of Gold Rush when I plugged it in. After install I wasn't getting audio so I had to reseat the HDMI cable from the source (no occurrence since).

By default, the Darbee leaves the setting on the lower right corner so I went into the settings (only accessible by the push buttons on the box itself) and turned off the 'persistent' setting and turned down the LED brightness.

There is a 'Demo' mode that allows for split-screen or left/right scrolling of the Darbee effect so you can see what it's doing. To me, the image looked sharper. It was really noticeable on hair, like DVD-to-Blu-ray noticeable. I don't think I'd be able to pick it out in a blind test unless I could see a quick A/B comparison though.

I'll have to play with it a bit more to understand what it's really doing and if I can achieve similar results just playing with the projector settings.

One concern though: While it was doing the left/right sweep in demo mode it locked up and reset itself. I had to reconfigure the settings mentioned above.

Day 1, mixed bag. I'll play with it more tomorrow on Blu-ray, 3D & 2.35:1 content.
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Played it a bit more today. Still feel mixed.

I replaced the 3 foot cable between the Darbee and receiver with a 6 foot cable (still 25 feet to the projector). No dropout or reset issues today.

Watched We're the Millers and Oblivion. Definitely liked the image better with the Darbee, but then started playing with the sharpness settings on the projector and liked that too.

I put in Ghostbusters and the Darbee definitely made that look worse. It digitized the grain and made it really stand out. I've read that older 'grainy' films won't look great with the Darbee and I think I agree. Even Man of Steel didn't look that great with the Darbee (I actually think the MoS video quality is abysmal).

Still have mixed feelings. I don't think I like having to play with it for each movie I put in. I think I'll turn it off and forget it or leave it on and watch a crummy picture but not notice.
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Played it a bit more today. Still feel mixed.

I replaced the 3 foot cable between the Darbee and receiver with a 6 foot cable (still 25 feet to the projector). No dropout or reset issues today.

Watched We're the Millers and Oblivion. Definitely liked the image better with the Darbee, but then started playing with the sharpness settings on the projector and liked that too.

I put in Ghostbusters and the Darbee definitely made that look worse. It digitized the grain and made it really stand out. I've read that older 'grainy' films won't look great with the Darbee and I think I agree. Even Man of Steel didn't look that great with the Darbee (I actually think the MoS video quality is abysmal).

Still have mixed feelings. I don't think I like having to play with it for each movie I put in. I think I'll turn it off and forget it or leave it on and watch a crummy picture but not notice.
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Here is a tip for those trying to decide if they want to keep their Darblet or return it. Back on 10-11-2013 I posted: "I think of it (DarbeeVision) more as salt. You season to taste and want more with use. Take it away and you really miss it."

Here is what I suggest you do:

1) Set the Darblet to a mid green setting.
2) Hide the Darblet remote and forget that it is installed.
3) Wait two weeks and turn off the Darblet.
4) Time how long it takes for you to turn the Darblet back on.
You will probably want to increase the setting when you do.


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3) Wait two weeks and turn off the Darblet.
Just curious, is there actually a way to "turn it off" without removing is or turning the setting down to 0%?

FWIW, it definitely made Ghostbusters look worse. I will try what you suggested though, I don't watch old movies often.
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Just curious, is there actually a way to "turn it off" without removing is or turning the setting down to 0%?
Darblet remote's leftmost button on top row is dual function. If in Darblet menu then it is Select. If not, it is On/Off toggle. For picture of remote, see first item under Accessories here http://darbeevision.com/products.

If you find the picture worse then lower the setting.

There is definitely some neuralplasticity involved in viewing DarbletVision. And, the better the source and display the better it looks. FiOS 1080i on my Samsung PN-60F8500 plasma looks, to me and my wife, just like the pictures in the Gallery here http://darbeevision.com/images .

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I'm using 3 generally short cables and I had zero problems.

Blu-Ray Player -> Kimber Kable HD-29 0.75m HDMI Cable -> eeColor 3D LUT Box -> Kimber Kable HD-29 0.5m HDMI Cable -> Darbee DVP-5000 -> Kimber Kable HD-29 1.0m HDMI Cable ->Display.

And I'm using Darbee from September 2012 in daily basis.

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