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Just to clarify, the RS49 (same as my X500) can't support 4K60 4:4:4 600Mhz. It only has an HDMI 1.4 input which tops at 10.2Gb/s (HDMI 2.0 Level B).
Maybe that's why the Integral needs to be used, but there isn't much point getting anything above 10.2Gb/s out of the source for the RS49 if ti can be avoided as it won't take it.
A 300Mhz profile would be much more appropriate IMHO and would limit cable issues.

Right, exactly, not only the source cannot output 4K60 4:4:4 600MHz in his case, but the display don't accept it neither. so there is no way he can run into cables issues with this setup at all even if he changes source or even if he changes display, but may be only the day he replaces both

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8K @ 120Hz with Super MHL, nice article: here
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Just to clarify, the RS49 (same as my X500) can't support 4K60 4:4:4 600Mhz. It only has an HDMI 1.4 input which tops at 10.2Gb/s (HDMI 2.0 Level B).
Maybe that's why the Integral needs to be used, but there isn't much point getting anything above 10.2Gb/s out of the source for the RS49 if ti can be avoided as it won't take it.
A 300Mhz profile would be much more appropriate IMHO and would limit cable issues.
Appreciate and thanks to both of you for the feedback !! Spent fortune on RS49 and Oppo 103D (region free) and then this HDCP 2.2 was a shocker but your adapter is really a savior
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Can someone explain to me what the relationship between the 600Mhz capable cable rating and the 10Gbs & 18.2Gbs ratings that I see elsewhere (like on DPL Labs website)?

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Can someone explain to me what the relationship between the 600Mhz capable cable rating and the 10Gbs & 18.2Gbs ratings that I see elsewhere (like on DPL Labs website)?
18.2Gbps = 600MHz = 4K60 4:4:4 8bit = HDMI2.0a maximum bandwidth (Level A)
10.8Gbps = 300MHz = 4K60 4:2:0 8bit = 4K30 4:4:4 8bit = HDMI2.0 level B = HDMI1.4 level C

Level B or Level C will work with mostly any cables on the market. (99% will work)
Level A is another story where 99% of the cables will fail (especially from tricky source like Shield or K8500)
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the solution is may be not to sniff PJ EDID (which integral can do), but rather mix the AUDIO capabilities of the AVR with the DISPLAY capabilities of the PJ and create an EDID out of it (which integral can do as well)
So yes, i do believe it will work for you and if not, drop us your PJ EDID we will look at it.
It's not working, so I sent the EDID to the email listed in the contact section of your site.

Thank you in advance for looking into it.

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It's not working, so I sent the EDID to the email listed in the contact section of your site.

Thank you in advance for looking into it.
Ok, please confirm PJ exact brand/model and audio system brand/model as well as the typical sound format you are expecting to pass thru.

With these infos we should be able to get you running fine, in the meantime, please confirm you have tested or please test the following:

Did you try all available algo for automix ? if not, please install driver, run GUI and then try each available algo for automix.
Simply select it from the dropdown (nothing else to do) and reboot your source to see if it helps.

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Ok, please confirm PJ exact brand/model and audio system brand/model as well as the typical sound format you are expecting to pass thru.
That was in my mail, except for the audio which should be just all.

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Did you try all available algo for automix ? if not, please install driver, run GUI and then try each available algo for automix.
Simply select it from the dropdown (nothing else to do) and reboot your source to see if it helps.
All algos give the same results: audio ok, but wrong colors and image tears.

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That was in my mail, except for the audio which should be just all.
Ok a few things here:

- I don't have access to any emails (but i can IM anyone)
- You either deal with it via email or via forum but not both at the same time please. if via forum, please post brand/model of everything in your setup.
- I asked the guys and you mailed the Chinese office, email address on front page next to the Chinese address is our china office and they don't speak english.
- For conversation in english, use the CONTACT FORM. (.COM > ABOUT HDFURY > CONTACT US)

Thank you for your comprehension.

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Ok a few things here:

- I don't have access to any emails (but i can IM anyone)
- You either deal with it via email or via forum but not both at the same time please. if via forum, please post brand/model of everything in your setup.
Sorry, I didn't know that.

I'll use the forum if needed now.

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Great, I'll keep you posted. No pun intended.

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8K @ 120Hz with Super MHL, nice article: here
Cable lenght : unknow


Not anymore, "Up to 3 meters" from a response from Mr chee himself.
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Just ordered the Integral and your HDMI cables! Looking forward to an excellent product... thank you!

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Good first analysis
Answer is YES for 1 and 2 (in case of 2, it can be simultaneously too)
However, K8500 is 4K60 4:4:4 for MENU only , when you play a disk it will be "best" at 4K60 4:2:0 10bit.
So the best since you do not need both simultaneously is to use automix, when HDMI2.0a display will be up, you will have 4K60 4:2:0 10bit HDR and when 4K60 4:2:0 display is up, you will have that.

Thanks, I just got both Integral and 8500 player. How should I connect Samsung k8500, Sony vw300 PJ, Sony 930d tv and input from Denon to Integral?
Top input - k8500 at 4K60 420
Bottom input - Denon AVR at 4K30
Top output - Sony PJ VW 300
Bottom output - Sony TV 930D

I am concerned that bottom output is marked as HDMI 1.4...

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Thanks, I just got both Integral and 8500 player. How should I connect Samsung k8500, Sony vw300 PJ, Sony 930d tv and input from Denon to Integral?
Top input - k8500 at 4K60 420
Bottom input - Denon AVR at 4K30
Top output - Sony PJ VW 300
Bottom output - Sony TV 930D

I am concerned that bottom output is marked as HDMI 1.4...

Thanks. max
BOT OUT is labelled as HDCP1.4, not HDMI1.4

Please explain what you are trying to do exactly, will you drive K8500 second output to Denon ?
do you want both sources to go through at the same time, or only one source to both displays at the same time (means : matrix or splitter)

You can shoot in simultanously 4K30 and 4K60 4:2:0 8b and get both out simultaneously in Matrix mode. But i'm not sure this is what you want to do here. please give more details.

In all case, as your described, it should work in Automix out of the box.

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My Setup:


Philips 58PUK6809/12
FireTV 4k on HDMI1
PC on HDMI2
Apple TV (3g) on HDMI3
XBOX One on HDMI4


My questions:


First of all let me warn everyone: Do Not Buy This TV! It was sold to me as a 4K TV, the size is right but the software is very bad, it only has HDMI 1.4 ports (without HDCP 2.2), and cannot play HEVC files natively. All ports support 2160p30, so it cannot play 60hz 4K. The setup now FIRETV > INTERGRAL > 58PUK6809 works for Netflix 4K (I set it to Automix).


My first Question is: Some 4K titles have some very bad judder/stutter on Netflix, but only when played in 4K (when set to 1080p it's all smooth), even titles that run smooth (Breaking Bad, House of Cards) sometimes have the tendency to start stuttering, a quick 5 sec rewind fixes this. Is this related to the Integral Setup?


Second Question (this one is more for the other users): Would it make any sense for me to buy a K8500 for 4K BD/Streaming, bearing in mind my TV will only go as high as 2160p30? Will it work? When the EDID on Integral is set to 2160p30, will the K8500 still allow me to play UHD BD, or is 60p required?


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Philips 58PUK6809/12
FireTV 4k on HDMI1
PC on HDMI2
Apple TV (3g) on HDMI3
XBOX One on HDMI4


My questions:


First of all let me warn everyone: Do Not Buy This TV! It was sold to me as a 4K TV, the size is right but the software is very bad, it only has HDMI 1.4 ports (without HDCP 2.2), and cannot play HEVC files natively. All ports support 2160p30, so it cannot play 60hz 4K. The setup now FIRETV > INTERGRAL > 58PUK6809 works for Netflix 4K (I set it to Automix).


My first Question is: Some 4K titles have some very bad judder/stutter on Netflix, but only when played in 4K (when set to 1080p it's all smooth), even titles that run smooth (Breaking Bad, House of Cards) sometimes have the tendency to start stuttering, a quick 5 sec rewind fixes this. Is this related to the Integral Setup?


Second Question (this one is more for the other users): Would it make any sense for me to buy a K8500 for 4K BD/Streaming, bearing in mind my TV will only go as high as 2160p30? Will it work? When the EDID on Integral is set to 2160p30, will the K8500 still allow me to play UHD BD, or is 60p required?


Thanks
1st Question: That's a network/netflix issue, you can google "netflix stutter" and such, or have a look at such thread.

2nd Question: Most content on UHD BR is 24/30 fps anyway, so as long as you do not have a 4K60 4:2:0 10bit BT2020 HDR display, you won't miss much by watching at 4K30. And no 60p is not required (except for K8500 MENU, which will be in 1080p60 in your case, however, movies will play fine at 4K30)

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1st Question: That's a network/netflix issue, you can google "netflix stutter" and such, or have a look at such thread.
I was wondering if it might be due to the FireTV not "properly" handling 24p content. Most stuff on Netflix is 24p, and I don't believe the FireTV will switch to 24p mode (apparently it's possible but hard). Showing 24p at 30Hz could result in some serious judder, worse than at 60Hz.
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BOT OUT is labelled as HDCP1.4, not HDMI1.4

Please explain what you are trying to do exactly, will you drive K8500 second output to Denon ?
do you want both sources to go through at the same time, or only one source to both displays at the same time (means : matrix or splitter)

You can shoot in simultanously 4K30 and 4K60 4:2:0 8b and get both out simultaneously in Matrix mode. But i'm not sure this is what you want to do here. please give more details.

In all case, as your described, it should work in Automix out of the box.

I want to use one of 4 options below, each at highest allowed settings (only one option at a time):
1) from K8500 HDMI video to Sony VW300 PJ (audio will go from 2d K8500 HDMI to denon)
2) from K8500 HDMI video to Sony 930D TV (audio will go from 2d K8500 HDMI to denon)
3) from Denon 4520ci HDMI video to Sony VW300 PJ
4) from Denon 4520ci HDMI video to Sony 930D TV

Thanks

P.S. I just realized that I also have sony X10 media player connected directly to PJ but, I guess, I cannot use it with only 2 HDMI inputs on the Integral. My only option is to run it through Denon AVR but I could not then use 4K settings...
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Hi,

I haven't received anything yet, but I found a temporary workaround which might help you to speed the process.

I need to split the HDMI signal, the top goes to an HD6K Christie projector, and the bottom goes to a N.40 Mark Levinson processor.

The processor can accept 1080p/24 input, but not output it, hence the need for a splitter.

The Christie EDID has no audio capability, so I need to force the audio out despite that on the bottom output.

The Christie seems to have very specific timings, because all the standard EDID settings I tried with INTEGRAL_GUI1.9 lead to an image with tears and wrong colors. I have the same if I just set up the Integral to EDID automix mode.

The GUI is able to retrieve the EDID from the processor (bottom), but not from the projector (top): when I try, I get only zeros. Maybe because I use a very long HDMI cable?

That probably explains why the automix mode fails to provide a correct image.

However, I tried before the Integral an Aten HDMI splitter. I got the same problem with the Aten, no audio on the second ouput. The Aten was able to learn the projector EDID.

If I chain the devices this way:

1) Source
2) Integral to both Aten and audio processor
3) Aten replicating the projector EDID
4) Projector

then automix works. I get both perfect image and audio.

Is there a way to save the automixed edid, and then re-use it so that I don't have to use the Aten anymore?

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Hello, I was wondering if the integral can convert the HDR signal coming from Samsung blu ray k8500 to my Vizio M65-C1 on input 5?

here is my set up:
4k HDR blu ray (not purchased yet)
AVR; RX- A3050 (already installed with 5.2.4 Atmos set up)
Vizio M65-C1 , input 5 is free with HDCP 2.2, hdmi 2.0 ( input 1 is connected to my AVR for watching TV)

What kind of picture quality may i expext to see on the tv when watching 4k hdr blu ray, if i connect the integral between the blu ray and Vizio input 5?

Any other solution to keep my 3 months old non HDR Vizio to watch 4k HDR blu ray?
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Hi,

I haven't received anything yet, but I found a temporary workaround which might help you to speed the process.

I need to split the HDMI signal, the top goes to an HD6K Christie projector, and the bottom goes to a N.40 Mark Levinson processor.

The processor can accept 1080p/24 input, but not output it, hence the need for a splitter.

The Christie EDID has no audio capability, so I need to force the audio out despite that on the bottom output.

The Christie seems to have very specific timings, because all the standard EDID settings I tried with INTEGRAL_GUI1.9 lead to an image with tears and wrong colors. I have the same if I just set up the Integral to EDID automix mode.

The GUI is able to retrieve the EDID from the processor (bottom), but not from the projector (top): when I try, I get only zeros. Maybe because I use a very long HDMI cable?

That probably explains why the automix mode fails to provide a correct image.

However, I tried before the Integral an Aten HDMI splitter. I got the same problem with the Aten, no audio on the second ouput. The Aten was able to learn the projector EDID.

If I chain the devices this way:

1) Source
2) Integral to both Aten and audio processor
3) Aten replicating the projector EDID
4) Projector

then automix works. I get both perfect image and audio.

Is there a way to save the automixed edid, and then re-use it so that I don't have to use the Aten anymore?
Dear Robert,

The guys just need a bit more time as in fact you found a bug here.
And the solution from us will come via a firmware upgrade.

Your Christie is DVI-D and only 1080p24, we have initially assumed any display to be capable of at least 1080p60.
So this scenario is failing on current firmware (cannot automix, cannot read).

This will be fixed on the coming update (which will also include some requests posted by users here)

Stay tuned, it won't be long. In the meantime, i'm glad you found a fix on your own.

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Dear Robert,

The guys just need a bit more time as in fact you found a bug here.
And the solution from us will come via a firmware upgrade.

Your Christie is DVI-D and only 1080p24, we have initially assumed any display to be capable of at least 1080p60.
So this scenario is failing on current firmware (cannot automix, cannot read).

This will be fixed on the coming update (which will also include some requests posted by users here)

Stay tuned, it won't be long. In the meantime, i'm glad you found a fix on your own.
Great, thanks for the update. And thanks to the developers for their professionalism.

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Hello, I was wondering if the integral can convert the HDR signal coming from Samsung blu ray k8500 to my Vizio M65-C1 on input 5?

here is my set up:
4k HDR blu ray (not purchased yet)
AVR; RX- A3050 (already installed with 5.2.4 Atmos set up)
Vizio M65-C1 , input 5 is free with HDCP 2.2, hdmi 2.0 ( input 1 is connected to my AVR for watching TV)

What kind of picture quality may i expext to see on the tv when watching 4k hdr blu ray, if i connect the integral between the blu ray and Vizio input 5?

Any other solution to keep my 3 months old non HDR Vizio to watch 4k HDR blu ray?
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You do not need Integral in your setup unless i missed something.

4K HDR BR > RX-A3050 (set to mode 2) > Visio M65-C1 Input 5

This should give you 4K60 4:2:0 8bit (your display max). And that's the best you can get from your display.

Now about taking 4K60 4:2:0 10bit and converting into something else, you must look for our next device as integral cannot scale.

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ok, i thought i needed the integral to convert hdr metadata to my non hdr tv...
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I want to use one of 4 options below, each at highest allowed settings (only one option at a time):
1) from K8500 HDMI video to Sony VW300 PJ (audio will go from 2d K8500 HDMI to denon)
2) from K8500 HDMI video to Sony 930D TV (audio will go from 2d K8500 HDMI to denon)
3) from Denon 4520ci HDMI video to Sony VW300 PJ
4) from Denon 4520ci HDMI video to Sony 930D TV

Thanks

P.S. I just realized that I also have sony X10 media player connected directly to PJ but, I guess, I cannot use it with only 2 HDMI inputs on the Integral. My only option is to run it through Denon AVR but I could not then use 4K settings...
Do you have any issue ? if so what is it ?

As mentioned earlier, this should work out of the box with automix.
1-2 will go through at each display max.
3-4 will go through at 4K30 (AVR max)

I believe you can run AVR to displays directly and save one input on Integral for the Sony player.

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ok, i thought i needed the integral to convert hdr metadata to my non hdr tv...
If the TV is HDMI2.0 and not HDMI2.0a, no HDR metadata can reach it.
Also specifically your TV is 4K60 4:2:0 8bit, and you would need 4K60 4:2:0 10bit for HDR from UHD BR.

Integral can of course get your source to output HDR or Integral can send the HDR pulse out on its own, but it's useless in your setup.

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Is there public infos i could read about your next device that convert 4k60 4:2:0 10 bits to something else?

i am trying to figure out my options and see if i can live with my m65-c1 with up coming dolby vision movies..
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just to clarify, the input 5 has hdmi 2.0 only,
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I purchased the HDFury as a pre-order back in October. I checked it out with a couple of other monitors in the house and all worked fine. When I received the Samsung K8500, tried to use it with the Sony VW1100, with no success. When I took delivery of the VW5000, I tried again, and again, without success. The HDFury will read the Samsung, but the output always shows NONE.
appears to read the projector EDID, but no output. I have attached a screen shot of what I see. I noted the Samsung only shows 1920x1080 output which I assume is due to the fact it has not had a proper handshake with the projector to set the unit to 4k.

I have updated the GUI, MCU and FPGA.

Any input would be appreciated.
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Is there public infos i could read about your next device that convert 4k60 4:2:0 10 bits to something else?

i am trying to figure out my options and see if i can live with my m65-c1 with up coming dolby vision movies..
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just to clarify, the input 5 has hdmi 2.0 only,
Yes, HDMI2.0 4K60 4:2:0 8bit a.k.a Level B
you need HDMI2.0a for 4K60 4:2:0 10bit BT2020 HDR to pass thru from UHD BR as i said earlier.

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I purchased the HDFury as a pre-order back in October. I checked it out with a couple of other monitors in the house and all worked fine. When I received the Samsung K8500, tried to use it with the Sony VW1100, with no success. When I took delivery of the VW5000, I tried again, and again, without success. The HDFury will read the Samsung, but the output always shows NONE.
appears to read the projector EDID, but no output. I have attached a screen shot of what I see. I noted the Samsung only shows 1920x1080 output which I assume is due to the fact it has not had a proper handshake with the projector to set the unit to 4k.

I have updated the GUI, MCU and FPGA.

Any input would be appreciated.
The VW1100 is 4K60 4:2:0 8bit max according to this link.

If you only have this display connected at the output, then by using automix, the K8500 will give you 1080p60 from MENU and 4K60 4:2:0 8b when playing disc.

The VW5000 is 4K60 4:4:4 so when using Integral in AUTOMIX (or if you hook up K8500 straight to it), the K8500 will create a 600MHz link for Menu and play UHD BR at 4K60 4:2:0 10bit (if that is supported). In such situation if you have issue with HDMI cables, they will manifest the following way: Black screen or drop outs when in MENU, Disc play fine. If that's your case, you need to replace your HDMI cables.

The recommended setup for VW5000 is as follow:

With 600MHz cables: K8500 > INTEGRAL BOT INPUT and EDID TO AUTOMIX > VW5000
This will give you 4K60 4:4:4 from menu and 4K60 4:2:0 10b from disc (if supported by VW5000)

Without 600MHz cables: K8500 > INTEGRAL BOT INPUT and EDID slide on CUSTOM and following EDID from GUI custom dropdown list: 4K60 4:2:0 10b > VW5000
This will give you 1080p60 from menu and 4K60 4:2:0 10b from disc (if supported by VW5000)

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