New Lumagen Radiance Pro Series - Page 101 - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Forum Jump: 
 4097Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #3001 of 5828 Old 04-28-2018, 06:40 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
D_B_0673's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: MD
Posts: 1,895
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 183 Post(s)
Liked: 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian_Currie View Post
If you ever acquire one, the users here (including myself) will be happy to assist you.
I have a Pro, but just use it for BluRay as I cannot understand how to set it up for 4K ( have a JVC 640 also)

Dan
D_B_0673 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #3002 of 5828 Old 04-28-2018, 03:19 PM
Senior Member
 
KarlKlammer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Germany
Posts: 315
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 263 Post(s)
Liked: 257
Quote:
Originally Posted by D_B_0673 View Post
I have a Pro, but just use it for BluRay as I cannot understand how to set it up for 4K ( have a JVC 640 also)
If you don't have someone to set it up for you and can't measure yourself, here is a quick-and-dirty method you can use as a starting point.

1. Set up a user picture mode on your RS640 with BT.2020 color profile (with or without filter is up to you) and Gamma 2.4

2. Configure Radiance CMS1 (Output -> CMS's -> CMS1 -> HDR Mapping) with "Intensity Mapping Enable: On" and "Gamma into 3D LUT: SDR". For Display Max Light, Shape and Transition you can use the defaults, take the settings from Kris or other settings written in this thread and experiment with them. Keep an eye on clipping and possible crushed shadow details with suitable test patterns (R. Masciola or something similar).

Projection: JVC DLA-NX9
VP/Calibration: Lumagen Radiance Pro, LightSpace CMS, x-rite i1 Pro 2, x-rite i1 Display 3
KarlKlammer is offline  
post #3003 of 5828 Old 04-29-2018, 03:34 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
D_B_0673's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: MD
Posts: 1,895
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 183 Post(s)
Liked: 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by KarlKlammer View Post
If you don't have someone to set it up for you and can't measure yourself, here is a quick-and-dirty method you can use as a starting point.

1. Set up a user picture mode on your RS640 with BT.2020 color profile (with or without filter is up to you) and Gamma 2.4

2. Configure Radiance CMS1 (Output -> CMS's -> CMS1 -> HDR Mapping) with "Intensity Mapping Enable: On" and "Gamma into 3D LUT: SDR". For Display Max Light, Shape and Transition you can use the defaults, take the settings from Kris or other settings written in this thread and experiment with them. Keep an eye on clipping and possible crushed shadow details with suitable test patterns (R. Masciola or something similar).
Thanks very much,
I will give it a try. I have to find all these settings in the menu

Dan
D_B_0673 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #3004 of 5828 Old 04-29-2018, 06:55 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
thrang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 7,249
Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2625 Post(s)
Liked: 2129
(repost from the Sony 5000 thread)

Continue to refine settings with the "hybrid" intensity mapping approach with the Lumagen Radiance Pro and the Sony VPL-VW5000 -

Radiance HDR2020 colorspace
Radiance Intensity Mapping On/3d LUT HDR/ Max Brightness: 2400
Sony Contrast HDR: 50
Sony Laser 50 - (yes, 50)
Sony Motionflow Impulse (dark frame insertion)
Sony Colorspace 2020 (filter in)










thrang is online now  
post #3005 of 5828 Old 04-30-2018, 01:15 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 215
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 123 Post(s)
Liked: 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by thrang View Post
(repost from the Sony 5000 thread)

Continue to refine settings with the "hybrid" intensity mapping approach with the Lumagen Radiance Pro and the Sony VPL-VW5000 -

Radiance HDR2020 colorspace
Radiance Intensity Mapping On/3d LUT HDR/ Max Brightness: 2400
Sony Contrast HDR: 50
Sony Laser 50 - (yes, 50)
Sony Motionflow Impulse (dark frame insertion)
Sony Colorspace 2020 (filter in)










Aaargh! Awfully beautiful!!!

Do you leave filter in place for SDR also?
stefanop is online now  
post #3006 of 5828 Old 04-30-2018, 06:23 AM
AVS Forum Club Gold
 
Ian_Currie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Holliston, MA
Posts: 1,725
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 314 Post(s)
Liked: 98
Quote:
Originally Posted by thrang View Post
(repost from the Sony 5000 thread)

Continue to refine settings with the "hybrid" intensity mapping approach with the Lumagen Radiance Pro and the Sony VPL-VW5000 -

Radiance HDR2020 colorspace
Radiance Intensity Mapping On/3d LUT HDR/ Max Brightness: 2400
Sony Contrast HDR: 50
Sony Laser 50 - (yes, 50)
Sony Motionflow Impulse (dark frame insertion)
Sony Colorspace 2020 (filter in)
I appreciate you sharing this. I am using the hybrid approach too (thanks to you) and have been absolutely thrilled with the results. I think last time you were using a Max Brightness of 5500. I am using 5000. I'm not familiar with your projector but I assume that a laser value of 50 is on the low side (hence the Max Brightness value of 2400)?

JVC-RS4500 4k projector, Lumagen Pro, 138" 2.35:1 ST130
Panasonic DMP-UB820 & i7 PC w/1080ti running Win10/Kodi DSPlayer/madVR
Classe SSP-800, Bryston amplification, Wilson Audio speakers (7.2) + Buttkickers.
Ian_Currie is offline  
post #3007 of 5828 Old 04-30-2018, 08:04 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
thrang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 7,249
Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2625 Post(s)
Liked: 2129
Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanop View Post
Aaargh! Awfully beautiful!!!

Do you leave filter in place for SDR also?
No, my SDR calibration was done in a 709 container, so it slides out of the way.
thrang is online now  
post #3008 of 5828 Old 04-30-2018, 08:15 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
thrang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 7,249
Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2625 Post(s)
Liked: 2129
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian_Currie View Post
I appreciate you sharing this. I am using the hybrid approach too (thanks to you) and have been absolutely thrilled with the results. I think last time you were using a Max Brightness of 5500. I am using 5000. I'm not familiar with your projector but I assume that a laser value of 50 is on the low side (hence the Max Brightness value of 2400)?
Yes, normally I was at 85 or 90 laser for UHD playback with either 2020SDR or 2020HDR/high max brightness value from the Radiance.


At 2400, I can reduce laser to around 50... this creates a sense of greater apparent contrast. Smart than I can tell me, but it seems I'm lowering the overall black floor of the projector output while the non-linear HDR intensity mapping settings are providing higher intensity color and peak brightness.


I'll still be experimenting with different values, but the point is if you have both the 5000 (or JVC 4500) and the Radiance, you should take a Saturday afternoon and experiment a bit. I think you will be pleasantly surprised at the variety of approaches you can take.
thrang is online now  
post #3009 of 5828 Old 05-01-2018, 07:52 AM
AVS Forum Club Gold
 
Ian_Currie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Holliston, MA
Posts: 1,725
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 314 Post(s)
Liked: 98
Quote:
Originally Posted by thrang View Post
Yes, normally I was at 85 or 90 laser for UHD playback with either 2020SDR or 2020HDR/high max brightness value from the Radiance.


At 2400, I can reduce laser to around 50... this creates a sense of greater apparent contrast. Smart than I can tell me, but it seems I'm lowering the overall black floor of the projector output while the non-linear HDR intensity mapping settings are providing higher intensity color and peak brightness.


I'll still be experimenting with different values, but the point is if you have both the 5000 (or JVC 4500) and the Radiance, you should take a Saturday afternoon and experiment a bit. I think you will be pleasantly surprised at the variety of approaches you can take.
I tried using a lower Max Brightness value (e.g. 2600) and even with the JVC's 2020 filter in the light path, there was a lot of clipping in bright areas. Too bad the curve parameters don't do much in HDR mode otherwise I might be able to fix it. It's fun to try though (and I may try a value in the 3000's today).

JVC-RS4500 4k projector, Lumagen Pro, 138" 2.35:1 ST130
Panasonic DMP-UB820 & i7 PC w/1080ti running Win10/Kodi DSPlayer/madVR
Classe SSP-800, Bryston amplification, Wilson Audio speakers (7.2) + Buttkickers.
Ian_Currie is offline  
post #3010 of 5828 Old 05-01-2018, 08:24 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
thrang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 7,249
Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2625 Post(s)
Liked: 2129
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian_Currie View Post
I tried using a lower Max Brightness value (e.g. 2600) and even with the JVC's 2020 filter in the light path, there was a lot of clipping in bright areas. Too bad the curve parameters don't do much in HDR mode otherwise I might be able to fix it. It's fun to try though (and I may try a value in the 3000's today).
Yeah no idea how this would work with the 4500 - and I think the processing technology is very different between the 5000 and the 4500.

The JVC does not have the equivalent of a Contrast HDR slider, correct?
thrang is online now  
post #3011 of 5828 Old 05-01-2018, 08:36 AM
AVS Forum Club Gold
 
Ian_Currie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Holliston, MA
Posts: 1,725
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 314 Post(s)
Liked: 98
Quote:
Originally Posted by thrang View Post
Yeah no idea how this would work with the 4500 - and I think the processing technology is very different between the 5000 and the 4500.

The JVC does not have the equivalent of a Contrast HDR slider, correct?
The only thing I can think of that would apply is that the HDR Gamma has 3 sliders to adjust the dark, mid and bright colors respectively. Hmm, maybe I can try playing with that.

JVC-RS4500 4k projector, Lumagen Pro, 138" 2.35:1 ST130
Panasonic DMP-UB820 & i7 PC w/1080ti running Win10/Kodi DSPlayer/madVR
Classe SSP-800, Bryston amplification, Wilson Audio speakers (7.2) + Buttkickers.
Ian_Currie is offline  
post #3012 of 5828 Old 05-01-2018, 04:55 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
Kris Deering's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Pacific Northwet
Posts: 10,819
Mentioned: 202 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3992 Post(s)
Liked: 6945
I don't have a 4500 here anymore but I can't think of any reason why you would use the normal HDR processing of the JVC AND the Radiance. I would just use the Radiance and send via SDR. This should deliver better performance all around.

My Home Theater UPDATED DEC 2017
Technical Editor/Writer Sound and Vision Magazine
Deep Dive AV - Calibration, Consulting and Education
Kris Deering is offline  
post #3013 of 5828 Old 05-01-2018, 05:02 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
thrang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 7,249
Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2625 Post(s)
Liked: 2129
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post
I don't have a 4500 here anymore but I can't think of any reason why you would use the normal HDR processing of the JVC AND the Radiance. I would just use the Radiance and send via SDR. This should deliver better performance all around.
At least with the 5000, it works better than sending SDR2020... and the 5000 processes the signal differently with or without the HDR flag, so the color renders more accurately with this approach.

I recall that WAAY back in the beginning, the original approach of IM was to in fact send HDR2020 not SDR.
thrang is online now  
post #3014 of 5828 Old 05-01-2018, 05:04 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
Kris Deering's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Pacific Northwet
Posts: 10,819
Mentioned: 202 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3992 Post(s)
Liked: 6945
With the 5000ES its makes sense simply because the 5000ES won't do wider than 709 color gamut if it is sent an SDR signal. The 4500 doesn't have this issue. I don't like the idea of stacking tone maps, especially ones that aren't that great as a baseline (Sony AND JVC). But in your case you don't have a choice if you want to preserve the widest color gamut possible.
thrang likes this.

My Home Theater UPDATED DEC 2017
Technical Editor/Writer Sound and Vision Magazine
Deep Dive AV - Calibration, Consulting and Education
Kris Deering is offline  
post #3015 of 5828 Old 05-01-2018, 05:08 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
thrang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 7,249
Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2625 Post(s)
Liked: 2129
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post
With the 5000ES its makes sense simply because the 5000ES won't do wider than 709 color gamut if it is sent an SDR signal. The 4500 doesn't have this issue. I don't like the idea of stacking tone maps, especially ones that aren't that great as a baseline (Sony AND JVC). But in your case you don't have a choice if you want to preserve the widest color gamut possible.
We posted together it seems...

I stumbled into this trying to see why things felt non-optimal, and confirmed over a month ago from two Sony engineers this is how it works.

You can make it look fantastic however

I am curious if Lumagen knows/knew this because I never saw the recommendation to use hdr2020 to Sony projectors, which I’m sure make up a significant portion of their base.
thrang is online now  
post #3016 of 5828 Old 05-02-2018, 02:57 PM
Advanced Member
 
Roland Janus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 542
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 135 Post(s)
Liked: 34
I have a Nvidia Shield which unfortunately doesn't have auto colorspace yet.
I have to switch to 709 for Blu-ray and 2020 for UHD, very annoying.

Can the radiance be used to keep the shield on 2020 and still play sdr and hdr properly, considering that the sony 5000 will switch into a 2020 mode?

-roland
Roland Janus is offline  
post #3017 of 5828 Old 05-02-2018, 10:37 PM
jrp
AVS Forum Special Member
 
jrp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Portland, Oregon, USA
Posts: 1,511
Mentioned: 62 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 426 Post(s)
Liked: 1137
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roland Janus View Post
I have a Nvidia Shield which unfortunately doesn't have auto colorspace yet.
I have to switch to 709 for Blu-ray and 2020 for UHD, very annoying.

Can the radiance be used to keep the shield on 2020 and still play sdr and hdr properly, considering that the sony 5000 will switch into a 2020 mode?

-roland
Note that UHD SDR sources use Rec 709 color space (for commercial releases that I know of), and UHD HDR sources use Rec 2020. Does the NVidea correctly output SDR as SDR and HDR as HDR?

Since the Pro is set to output SDR 2020 for HDR sources (if you have followed our recommendations), you should be able to use the NVidea left in 2020 color space output mode. This does assume it correctly converts the Rec 709 to Rec2020 data when appropriate.

An SDR source sent as SDR 2020 the Pro would still use CMS1 (same as for HDR source), but since it is SDR mode HDR IM would be disabled. For HDR the HDR IM would be enabled and would still use CMS1 in Rec 2020 color space. If the Rec 2020 is reasonably accurate (calibrated or not), then both HDR and SDR material should be able to be made to look excellent.

I have not seen this, but believe it should work well and eliminate your need to manually change the NVidea mode assuming it correctly outputs SDR/HDR modes, and correctly converts 709 to 2020. If you use this, please report back on how well it works.

Jim Peterson
Lumagen
jrp is offline  
post #3018 of 5828 Old 05-02-2018, 10:51 PM
jrp
AVS Forum Special Member
 
jrp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Portland, Oregon, USA
Posts: 1,511
Mentioned: 62 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 426 Post(s)
Liked: 1137
We posted a new release today. It has some nice tweaks:

Beta 042218- Doubled range for HDR intensity mapping ratio setting. Modified Output HDR menu so as to not obscure view while setting Display Max LIght. Added extra check of output device EDID for 600mhz capability after seeing a couple of devices reporting 300Mhz support in one part of their EDID and 600Mhz in another section---these devices are now detected as 600Mhz capable. Added Kaleidescape setup menu under Other: I/O Setup: Kaleidescape for a Strato/Co-Star switching setup in order to automatically switch to the active device (also requires buying the "Co-Star for Lumagen" feature. Contact Kaleidescape for details). To use the Pro's Strato/Co-Star switching solution the Strato needs to be on an 18Ghz input and the Co-Star must on an input card different from the Strato. Added new input aspect ratios of 2.0 and 2.2, selectable on Lumagen remote with Alt then 4:3 and Alt then 16:9, respectively. These two new input aspects can also be detected with auto aspect feature when enabled. Also added separate sizing memory for the 2.40 input aspect (alt- 2.35) which had been sharing sizing parameters with 2.35. Added an option to reduce maximum bandwidth under Output: Styles: StyleX: HDMI Format: Reduce Max. When enabled the blanking time is reduced by ~5% so the original picture is not being resized and if the display accepts non-standard timings this can be a solution in some cases where the video connection is unreliable or slow to get picture.

=======

We have had requests for a while to add 2.0 and 2.2 input aspects, but sounds like there is more material on Netflix using these aspects. So we added these in this release.

The ability to lower the clock rate for 18 GHz output by about 5% has helped several projector setups having issues at 18 GHz become solid due to the slightly reduced clock rate.

We have also added support for the Kaleidescape "Co-Star for Lumagen" feature. This allows a Strato to control another Kaleidescape player so they share a common control and OSD. Contact Kaleidescape for more information.

We also have added support for some devices with errors in their EDID for 18 GHz so the Pro treats them as 18 GHz (=600 MHz, even though in one EDID field they report their maximum clock rate as 300 MHz).

=====

Some of you will be happy to hear that Patrick is now working on a HDR IM "desaturation" control.

Jim Peterson
Lumagen
jrp is offline  
post #3019 of 5828 Old 05-02-2018, 11:16 PM
Hello, World!
 
Mark_H's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: England
Posts: 2,433
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 380 Post(s)
Liked: 265
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roland Janus View Post
I have a Nvidia Shield which unfortunately doesn't have auto colorspace yet.
I have to switch to 709 for Blu-ray and 2020 for UHD, very annoying.

Can the radiance be used to keep the shield on 2020 and still play sdr and hdr properly, considering that the sony 5000 will switch into a 2020 mode?

-roland
If you are interested in switching devices, I believe the Apple TV 4K supports auto colourspace/frame rate and auto SDR/HDR...

My cinema: The Cave!
My kit: 15' 2.35:1 Screen Research CP2 4-way mask, JVC Z1, Lumagen Pro, Meridian 861/621/7x5500/2xSW5500
Mark_H is online now  
post #3020 of 5828 Old 05-03-2018, 07:25 AM
Senior Member
 
Surfdrifter's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Athens, Greece
Posts: 248
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 135 Post(s)
Liked: 66
Quote:
Originally Posted by jrp View Post
We posted a new release today. It has some nice tweaks:



Beta 042218- Doubled range for HDR intensity mapping ratio setting. Modified Output HDR menu so as to not obscure view while setting Display Max LIght. Added extra check of output device EDID for 600mhz capability after seeing a couple of devices reporting 300Mhz support in one part of their EDID and 600Mhz in another section---these devices are now detected as 600Mhz capable. Added Kaleidescape setup menu under Other: I/O Setup: Kaleidescape for a Strato/Co-Star switching setup in order to automatically switch to the active device (also requires buying the "Co-Star for Lumagen" feature. Contact Kaleidescape for details). To use the Pro's Strato/Co-Star switching solution the Strato needs to be on an 18Ghz input and the Co-Star must on an input card different from the Strato. Added new input aspect ratios of 2.0 and 2.2, selectable on Lumagen remote with Alt then 4:3 and Alt then 16:9, respectively. These two new input aspects can also be detected with auto aspect feature when enabled. Also added separate sizing memory for the 2.40 input aspect (alt- 2.35) which had been sharing sizing parameters with 2.35. Added an option to reduce maximum bandwidth under Output: Styles: StyleX: HDMI Format: Reduce Max. When enabled the blanking time is reduced by ~5% so the original picture is not being resized and if the display accepts non-standard timings this can be a solution in some cases where the video connection is unreliable or slow to get picture.



=======



We have had requests for a while to add 2.0 and 2.2 input aspects, but sounds like there is more material on Netflix using these aspects. So we added these in this release.



The ability to lower the clock rate for 18 GHz output by about 5% has helped several projector setups having issues at 18 GHz become solid due to the slightly reduced clock rate.



We have also added support for the Kaleidescape "Co-Star for Lumagen" feature. This allows a Strato to control another Kaleidescape player so they share a common control and OSD. Contact Kaleidescape for more information.



We also have added support for some devices with errors in their EDID for 18 GHz so the Pro treats them as 18 GHz (=600 MHz, even though in one EDID field they report their maximum clock rate as 300 MHz).



=====



Some of you will be happy to hear that Patrick is now working on a HDR IM "desaturation" control.


Great tweaks! Thanks!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Surfdrifter is offline  
post #3021 of 5828 Old 05-03-2018, 08:27 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
thrang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 7,249
Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2625 Post(s)
Liked: 2129
@jrp


Hi Jim- is the reduce max bandwidth tweaked further since I last tested a few weeks back? Worth trying again with the new microcode and the 5000?


The 300/600 fix - presuming the issue I have with the 18ghz output through the Trinnov (where passing the Radiance output through the Altitude 18ghz I/O was being read as a 9ghz path by the Radiance) is addressed with this firmware?


Anything on the roadmap for frame by frame IM and PIP?


Thanks, and nice update
thrang is online now  
post #3022 of 5828 Old 05-03-2018, 09:30 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Rod#S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 2,321
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 466 Post(s)
Liked: 66
Is the Pro capable of mixing and matching video and audio from different inputs? For example say I have Oppo 205 used for listening to music from a NAS on one input and on another I have a DVR. Could I listen to music from the Oppo but watch the video signal from the DVR?

Rod#S is offline  
post #3023 of 5828 Old 05-03-2018, 10:11 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
thrang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 7,249
Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2625 Post(s)
Liked: 2129
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post
Is the Pro capable of mixing and matching video and audio from different inputs? For example say I have Oppo 205 used for listening to music from a NAS on one input and on another I have a DVR. Could I listen to music from the Oppo but watch the video signal from the DVR?
No

Per your similar question in the Trinnov thread - the ability to choose a different audio source for a given hdmi input is actually in the Altitude GUI but it is disabled. Purportedly coming in a future firmware update.
thrang is online now  
post #3024 of 5828 Old 05-03-2018, 10:18 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Rod#S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 2,321
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 466 Post(s)
Liked: 66
Thanks thrang. So at least one device on the market, in theory will have this ability then.

Rod#S is offline  
post #3025 of 5828 Old 05-03-2018, 10:45 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
thrang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 7,249
Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2625 Post(s)
Liked: 2129
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post
Thanks thrang. So at least one device on the market, in theory will have this ability then.
Pretty sure my Marantz 8801 from many years ago let you choose analog or optical audio sources for a given HDMI source (though not another HDMI sources' audio).

Useful when watching sports featuring annoying announcers...

Last edited by thrang; 05-03-2018 at 10:48 AM.
thrang is online now  
post #3026 of 5828 Old 05-03-2018, 12:10 PM
jrp
AVS Forum Special Member
 
jrp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Portland, Oregon, USA
Posts: 1,511
Mentioned: 62 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 426 Post(s)
Liked: 1137
Quote:
Originally Posted by thrang View Post
@jrp

1) is the reduce max bandwidth tweaked further since I last tested a few weeks back? Worth trying again with the new microcode and the 5000?

2) The 300/600 fix - presuming the issue I have with the 18ghz output through the Trinnov (where passing the Radiance output through the Altitude 18ghz I/O was being read as a 9ghz path by the Radiance) is addressed with this firmware?

3)Anything on the roadmap for frame by frame IM and PIP?
1) Unlikely to make a difference. Three of the four VW5000ES systems we know about that had lock on issues were fixed by the clock rate reduction, but yours (the forth one) was not. The clock rate reduction in this release is the same as the manual setting you have already tried. So continue to use the "HDMI splitter" that has been working for you as a buffer in front of your VW5000ES.

2) I believe the Trinnov has the same error in their EDID (max clock rate report). If so, it will now report as 18GHz by the Pro (assuming no other issues in its EDID). You can check by looking at "Info Pg 2" (press OK twice with no Pro OSD on the screen) with the new firmware. See if it reports "18G:Y" for the output connected to the Trinnov.

3) We believe we will add an internally calculated "dynamic MaxCLL" to the Radiance Pro software, but have not yet committed to do this. I consider this likely to become a high-priority for us though.

The PiP function for 444X models is on the to-do list, but at this time it is not on the high-priority list. This could change. So I don't have a good time frame for you on PiP.
Mike_WI likes this.

Jim Peterson
Lumagen
jrp is offline  
post #3027 of 5828 Old 05-03-2018, 12:15 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
thrang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 7,249
Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2625 Post(s)
Liked: 2129
Quote:
Originally Posted by jrp View Post
1) Three of the four VW5000ES systems we know about that had lock on issues were fixed by the clock rate reduction.
Jim just to clarify, is that fix referring to stability with the original 18 ghz microcode, or the newer code?

Quote:
Originally Posted by jrp View Post
3) We believe we will add an internally calculated "dynamic MaxCLL" to the Radiance Pro software, but have not yet committed to do this. I consider this likely to become a high-priority for us though.
I would think this is potentially a serious benefit!
Mike_WI and stefanop like this.

Last edited by thrang; 05-03-2018 at 12:43 PM.
thrang is online now  
post #3028 of 5828 Old 05-03-2018, 01:12 PM
Advanced Member
 
Roland Janus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 542
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 135 Post(s)
Liked: 34
Quote:
Originally Posted by jrp View Post
Note that UHD SDR sources use Rec 709 color space (for commercial releases that I know of), and UHD HDR sources use Rec 2020. Does the NVidea correctly output SDR as SDR and HDR as HDR?

Since the Pro is set to output SDR 2020 for HDR sources (if you have followed our recommendations), you should be able to use the NVidea left in 2020 color space output mode. This does assume it correctly converts the Rec 709 to Rec2020 data when appropriate.

An SDR source sent as SDR 2020 the Pro would still use CMS1 (same as for HDR source), but since it is SDR mode HDR IM would be disabled. For HDR the HDR IM would be enabled and would still use CMS1 in Rec 2020 color space. If the Rec 2020 is reasonably accurate (calibrated or not), then both HDR and SDR material should be able to be made to look excellent.

I have not seen this, but believe it should work well and eliminate your need to manually change the NVidea mode assuming it correctly outputs SDR/HDR modes, and correctly converts 709 to 2020. If you use this, please report back on how well it works.
Actually, I own the Sony 5000, which what I've read recently is not supposed be used with SD2020. You saw those comments?

Yes, when playing Blu-ray, the output is SD2020 and the projector uses a 2020 mode.
How about calibrating then for both situations?

-roland
Roland Janus is offline  
post #3029 of 5828 Old 05-03-2018, 01:12 PM
Advanced Member
 
Roland Janus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 542
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 135 Post(s)
Liked: 34
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark_H View Post
If you are interested in switching devices, I believe the Apple TV 4K supports auto colourspace/frame rate and auto SDR/HDR...
would be a choice indeed, but I already have enough media players…
Roland Janus is offline  
post #3030 of 5828 Old 05-03-2018, 01:14 PM
LJG
AVS Forum Special Member
 
LJG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Brookville, NY
Posts: 5,048
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 757 Post(s)
Liked: 485
Quote:
Originally Posted by thrang View Post
We posted together it seems...

I stumbled into this trying to see why things felt non-optimal, and confirmed over a month ago from two Sony engineers this is how it works.

You can make it look fantastic however

I am curious if Lumagen knows/knew this because I never saw the recommendation to use hdr2020 to Sony projectors, which I’m sure make up a significant portion of their base.
Jim:

Can you comment on this for us 5000ES owners....
LJG is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply Video Processors

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off