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New firmware just dropped to fix the brightness issues with DTM:

Beta 020819- Fixup for issue causing overly bright result with DTM (Dynamic Tone Mapping). Fix for another bug that in some cases gave incorrect DTM results. A quality improvement for DTM. Fixup for bringing up test patterns when in DTM mode. Fix for getting a message in menu that settings have changed when they hadn't been. Please continue giving us your detailed feedback on issues via email at [email protected] .
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New firmware just dropped to fix the brightness issues with DTM:
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The bug is fixed.
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The bug is fixed.
Have you been able to note any improvements in DTM?
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Have you been able to note any improvements in DTM?
I think there is less clipping of bright detail with the agressive parameters I use (level 5,shape 3, transition 10, 300 nits).
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I think there is less clipping of bright detail with the agressive parameters I use (level 5,shape 3, transition 10, 300 nits).
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Any new bugs?
I am out later today til Sat at AXPONA, then plan to do FW update Sat or Sun before Sun Game of Thrones watching with multiple people.

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I didn't have time to install the last firmware update, but I guess it's just as well. I've got 020819 downloaded and ready to install and test out over the weekend !
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How long will it probably take to get the firmware out of beta and into production releases?

Also, how well is the static HDR to SDR tone mapping working now? What are your opinions about PQ with static tone mapping versus dynamic tone mapping? Is static tone mapping less buggy?

Thank you very much!

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How long will it probably take to get the firmware out of beta and into production releases?

Also, how well is the static HDR to SDR tone mapping working now? What are your opinions about PQ with static tone mapping versus dynamic tone mapping? Is static tone mapping less buggy?

Thank you very much!

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How long till Jim declares firmware non beta is unknown. In the past they called firmware non beta once they put in all the promised features set. With the Pro they decided to start adding in features never offered but that customers were asking for. This has set back the date by probably over 18 months. The reality is that the device is not a beta product and probably hasn't been for 18 months. Yes, they increase the performance with new firmware and that brings out a couple of bugs in some specific systems, then those get fixed in the next few days and after that it is fine until next big firmware release. If you never updated it'd continue to work just fine as many many folk worldwide experience. Prior to the dynamic tone mapping of a week or two the static tone mapping that adapted based on metadata in signal was superior to that in any display...the dynamic adjustment just made it even better. There are a few features not in yet that were promised at launch but how long they take to add is unknown. Demand for the best HDR tone mapping seems to be greater than folk screaming for some noise reduction or 4K sharpness control.

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4K Sharpness control, PLEASE!
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4K Sharpness control, PLEASE!

Well Jim prioritizes things on basis of what folk ask...so if that's what you want...email Lumagen. I have only ever had a couple of requests for 4K sharpness (both non UK clients) and none for noise reduction....and a couple for picture in picture.....but most folk I see want ultimate HDR tonemapping and larger calibration LUT's. So direct action by emailing lumagen is likely to elicit faster responses to your needs.
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I’m still waiting for PiP/PoP!
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Sharpness !!! +1
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Noise reduction!
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New firmware just dropped to fix the brightness issues with DTM:

Beta 020819- Fixup for issue causing overly bright result with DTM (Dynamic Tone Mapping). Fix for another bug that in some cases gave incorrect DTM results. A quality improvement for DTM. Fixup for bringing up test patterns when in DTM mode. Fix for getting a message in menu that settings have changed when they hadn't been. Please continue giving us your detailed feedback on issues via email at [email protected] .
Just loaded this firmware and it looks amazing on my Panasonic 802 OLED, they've sorted the overly bright picture and it looks even better than the last DTM software in my opinion. The Revenant in HDR from the UHD disc looks outstanding, very happy!
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- pip/pop for 44xx only
- enhancements (noise reduction/ edge enhancement)

I believe these two are the only remaining promised features.

Jim said many times noise reduction is unlikely to happen. Some sharpness is planned but not top priority. I think Pip will come first once the tone mapping is complete.

I believe pip/pop must come eventually. This feature was the only reason I bought their highest configuration 4449 with 8 inputs and 10 outputs. I could buy the lowest configuration and buy a 4K matrix switch instead.

Dropping noise reduction from future plans is a little disappointing but I don’t feel that bad about it. I absolutely don’t care for sharpness.

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Unfortunately pip is only for 444x models....
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The new DTM is just amazing. I've tested it with my reference HDR discs and it's so good that my projector's light deficiency for HDR is basically irrelevant. As for features like Sharpness Control (euphemism for edge enhancement) and Noise Reduction, I hope they never add them. You'll say you can just turn it off but I believe a product should have an identity and if your identity is great, accurate picture those features don't belong there. I would think less of Lumagen if it offers picture distorting/degrading features, especially if I have to do something to turn them off.
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The new DTM is just amazing. I've tested it with my reference HDR discs and it's so good that my projector's light deficiency for HDR is basically irrelevant. As for features like Sharpness Control (euphemism for edge enhancement) and Noise Reduction, I hope they never add them. You'll say you can just turn it off but I believe a product should have an identity and if your identity is great, accurate picture those features don't belong there. I would think less of Lumagen if it offers picture distorting/degrading features, especially if I have to do something to turn them off.

Yes, agreed. Much better and resolved the brightness issue. It still elevates blacks a touch on dark scenes, but the tradeoff for the brightness of highlights is worth it. I need to mess around with the "Black" setting a bit more - initial testing looks good and it seems to lower the blacks without crushing, which would be incredible if it works consistently for all sources. Need to try this on some dark content.

It's very nice to actually have some scenes somewhat resemble HDR on a projector and not be dark and dingy like they typically are.
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I would think less of Lumagen if it offers picture distorting/degrading features, especially if I have to do something to turn them off.
Are you serious??! Just leave them on zero then. I would rather have my Lumagen do it than my projector!
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Anyone happen to have an email address for Jim Peterson at Lumagen?

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Im hooked up different than most ( I have all my devices running to my anthem AVR passthru then a single output to my Lumagen then output to my projector, all with cert premium monoprice cables) so I can keep my AVR OSD.
Why wouldn't this be the way everyone hooks up the lumagen?

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Why wouldn't this be the way everyone hooks up the lumagen?
If you have an old AVR (like I do) then I output video FROM Lumagen TO AVR.
I lose OSD that way.
With older (XE) Lumagen there was the possibility of a PIP display with OSD from component or composite input back to Lumagen (HDMI gave some sort of loop effect).

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Question Lumagen Lipsync

In the process of calibration Wed we did a Lumagen reset.

Last night I updated to latest (Beta 020819) FW and looked at HBO.
There is a big lip sync issue.
It wasn't perfect before reset/update, but better.

Any thoughts on what to do with this screen (below)?
I tried turning on but it did some delay/reset function.
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Why wouldn't this be the way everyone hooks up the lumagen?
Jim mentioned this could be the case, and it was for my situation, that taking all sources through the Lumagen might reduce HDMI handshakes. This is certainly true for my DirecTV 4k receiver when switching between channels with different resolutions. I still get AVR OSD feeding the Lumagen output through my Anthem and then onward to the projector.
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Im hooked up different than most ( I have all my devices running to my anthem AVR passthru then a single output to my Lumagen then output to my projector, all with cert premium monoprice cables) so I can keep my AVR OSD.
Why wouldn't this be the way everyone hooks up the lumagen?
Because AVR might and likely does some processing to the signal. Some color space conversion is typically done to overlay OSD even if all features are disabled.

I am sure there are some that doesn’t alter the video in anyway. But the video aspect of AVRs are not well documented as video is not their primary focus.

You can assume it is a bit perfect pass thorough or you be sure it doesn’t even pass through it via routing your video directly to Radiance.

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Yes, agreed. Much better and resolved the brightness issue. It still elevates blacks a touch on dark scenes, but the tradeoff for the brightness of highlights is worth it. I need to mess around with the "Black" setting a bit more - initial testing looks good and it seems to lower the blacks without crushing, which would be incredible if it works consistently for all sources. Need to try this on some dark content.

It's very nice to actually have some scenes somewhat resemble HDR on a projector and not be dark and dingy like they typically are.
I’ve played with the black setting too. For example,for the opening blade runner credits, the black floor looks much better the more you lower it. But, when I used the masciola disc to check my black levels, it started clipping if I went past -2.

Overall I really love the DTM. Gotg v2 and pacific rim in particular look amazing. The best I’ve ever seen it. Very happy with it!
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Why wouldn't this be the way everyone hooks up the lumagen?
Because you lose the option to set each input individually with the Lumagen. You might have different sources that require different settings for masking, shrinking, aspects, Darbee, HDR parameters, 3D Luts and so on. Instead of having 16 configurations for four inputs with one input from the AVR you end up having a total of only four configurations (and up to eight with virtual inputs of course). It is also way easier to remember presets for sources on individual inputs and having the ability to label them as such in the Lumagen.
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