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At the moment Zidoo is the only one box I know, which has great quality in playing back ripped 4k HDR movies, especially with the NAS setup. It plays via its own native player, which doesn't have issues in passing through the raw audio, also passing correct colorspace and HDR flag information with resolution and framerate.
The only downside is that you loose all the stat from the native KODI player, since you use ZDMC (fork of Kodi) to playback video files, it doesn't interact with Kodi library stats and you don't have those stats like how many movies you've watched, last saved bookmark and etc. Also ZIDOO boxes are not that fast, I wish they would be faster.
Also I don't like that it doesn't have chromecast inbuilt and its Youtube application doesn't have a capability of 4K playback only 1080p.
That's why I'm looking at alternatives, and NShield is the fastest Android box and yes it is fast, but they still got bugs in regards the native playback (resolution isn't switching natively and is always fixed). Also it has some instability in regards how the remote works, sometimes it doesn't respond at all.
As for Zidoo there been banding issues, but its been resolved with the latest firmware, I really compared the quality playback from OPPO UDP-203 and Zidoo X9S, and I couldn't tell any difference at all. So for the last 9 months I haven't used OPPO at all, all my movie library is served with nas416play 24TB .

A few things:

Are you using 18 Ghz input cards on your Lumagen?

Have you enabled developer and turned on Colorimetry in the Nvidia to allow for colorspace switching?

Do you set up the Nvidia input on the Lumagen to limit 1080p or do you use 9 Ghz (or with 18 Gzh cards) 18 Ghz? Or do you perform some other steps to allow for correct resolution?


Sounds like with the demise of the Oppo (USB capable input) I may be left with using the Zidoo if I find that I cannot make my existing hardware work.




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A few things:

Are you using 18 Ghz input cards on your Lumagen?

Have you enabled developer and turned on Colorimetry in the Nvidia to allow for colorspace switching?

Do you set up the Nvidia input on the Lumagen to limit 1080p or do you use 9 Ghz (or with 18 Gzh cards) 18 Ghz? Or do you perform some other steps to allow for correct resolution?


Sounds like with the demise of the Oppo (USB capable input) I may be left with using the Zidoo if I find that I cannot make my existing hardware work.


Yes sorry forgot to mention I use 18Ghz input and output modules in Lumagen, yes I did enabled colorspace option in the Developer option. In Lumagen inputs are not limited.

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Yes sorry forgot to mention I use 18Ghz input and output modules in Lumagen, yes I did enabled colorspace option in the Developer option. In Lumagen inputs are not limited.

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So, I guess my simple question, at least I hope it is: If using Kodi/Nvidia Shield -> Lumagen Pro with 18 Ghz input cards -> projector or other HDR capable device for HDR file playback are there still reasons to go with the Zidoo X9S? Currently I'm using both USB drives connected via a USB hub as well as a Synology NAS. I'm assuming both would be supported by the Zidoo.







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So, I guess my simple question, at least I hope it is: If using Kodi/Nvidia Shield -> Lumagen Pro with 18 Ghz input cards -> projector or other HDR capable device for HDR file playback are there still reasons to go with the Zidoo X9S? Currently I'm using both USB drives connected via a USB hub as well as a Synology NAS. I'm assuming both would be supported by the Zidoo.





I am catching up on the Nvidia Shield thread, and found this post:

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Hey guys remind me of something please, do I have to set the Shield to 1080p for resolution switching to work with Kodi? I know that was the case with Emby, but thought Kodi was different. I have my Shield set to 2160p, when watching a 1080p file Kodi only changed the refresh rate, the tv was receiving a 2160p signal.

If this is the case then that means netflix and prime will always be at 1080p. Which is why I have it at 2160p. For some reason I thought Kodi solved this issue.
No, you do not have to set the Shield to 1080p. You can leave the Shield set to 4K. If you're using Kodi, you have to go into settings and "whitelist" the appropriate resolutions. Then it will switch to 1080p as needed.
This explains the reason for whitelisting resolutions in Kodi. With MrMC, it is a little simpler, as reported here.

Also, someone created an app to control refresh rate of apps: https://forums.geforce.com/default/t...fset=4#6023111

Before you purchase another media player, you may want to hit this link to the 4K media player thread.

Now, to bring this back on topic...can't wait for the new DTM updates coming soon!

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I am catching up on the Nvidia Shield thread, and found this post:

This explains the reason for whitelisting resolutions.

Also, someone created an app to control refresh rate of apps: https://forums.geforce.com/default/t...fset=4#6023111

Before you purchase another media player, you may want to hit this link to the 4K media player thread.

Now, to bring this back on topic...can't wait for the new DTM updates coming soon!

Mark

Well it's both better to go with what you've got, than to take a flyer on a new piece of gear. So, I've ordered up the 18 Ghz input card from Lumagen. At least people on this forum have gotten that to work with the Nvidia. And Jim from Lumagen does the best support of any company I've run into for us in this often complex world of video. Now that I think of it, Lumagen literally coddles us, compared to Apple, despite the praise often raining down on them ('course that's by comparison to other computer firms). Finally, I've got Alexa and Harmony Elite working nicely (well mostly) with the Nvida while I'm quite certain it would be less likely to have success with the Zidoo, or other devices.



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At the moment the most reliable and proven android box is x9s or any ZIDOO box based on the same chip.
Would the Z9S also be a good choice?
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After some more testing and revising my parameters, I think we don't need to look further at 0:00:18 of The MEG.
But the clipping ~00:01:13 remains. Also the strange brightness/saturation in the other two scenes remains.

At the moment I prefer setting Display Max Light to 800 Nits.

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Would the Z9S also be a good choice?


The X9S (which has the RTD1295 SoC) is not produced any longer, so existing inventory or used would be the only options.

The Z9S (which has the RTD1296 SoC) is a fine choice. There is not much difference between the two chips, and might as well get the one that might be supported longer.

Check availability for both and decide, but do take a peek at the spreadsheet in the thread I posted above if you need a certain thing supported or if performance with a certain App is important to you.

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I am catching up on the Nvidia Shield thread, and found this post:



This explains the reason for whitelisting resolutions in Kodi. With MrMC, it is a little simpler, as reported here.



Also, someone created an app to control refresh rate of apps: https://forums.geforce.com/default/t...fset=4#6023111



Before you purchase another media player, you may want to hit this link to the 4K media player thread.



Now, to bring this back on topic...can't wait for the new DTM updates coming soon!



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Hey Mark I've just figured out how to make Autoswitch work with Kodi and Nvidia Shield 4K via Lumagen


Here are the screenshots
So you have to select Recommended resolution in Nvidia, make sure it is staying at @59 recommend FPS
Then in Kodi in System settings in Video section you have to actually whitelist all available resolutions by opening the window and marking all of them.
Then in Player settings for Video select to change frame rate always
And now Autoswitch works as expected, audio passtrhough works as expected, no dropped frames and it uses native player of Kodi, which I always wanted. So I am continuing to test it at the moment happy.
Also don't forget to select auto switch colorspace in Developer options.

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Would the Z9S also be a good choice?
Yes, I've mentioned pros and cons

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can some Sony 5000 users please post their settings when using DTM?
In particular the Max light setting and maybe the NITS you get?

thanks, roland
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take a peek at the spreadsheet in the thread I posted above if you need a certain thing supported or if performance with a certain App is important to you.
What a great resource!

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Hey Mark I've just figured out how to make Autoswitch work with Kodi and Nvidia Shield 4K via Lumagen
http://imgur.com/a/actkluY








Here are the screenshots
So you have to select Recommended resolution in Nvidia, make sure it is staying at @59 recommend FPS
Then in Kodi in System settings in Video section you have to actually whitelist all available resolutions by opening the window and marking all of them.
Then in Player settings for Video select to change frame rate always
And now Autoswitch works as expected, audio passtrhough works as expected, no dropped frames and it uses native player of Kodi, which I always wanted. So I am continuing to test it at the moment happy.
Also don't forget to select auto switch colorspace in Developer options.

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After setting this up, Kodi is not totally working for me; it won’t send 23.98 Hz. MrMC will send 23.98 Hz, but sends only PCM, not bitstream. Ugh.

Thankfully I have my OPPO which just works.

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At the moment I prefer setting Display Max Light to 800 Nits.
Hi,
At 120 - 130 nits in the production environment, I think the setting of 800 for Max Light in the Radiance for DTM operation is very good.

For Sony projectors that use the HDR tuning over the color space "Userdef 5" must be checked when using the DTM, if the base gamma (SDR) in the upper range is not significantly below 2.4 and correct here if necessary. This HDR tuning was designed for static and not for dynamic HDR.
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I found that in 1000 nits movies the best max light is about 400-450

But when I play a 4000 nits movies like the meg the best max light is around 700-800 nits and i prefer 700 such the scene 01:13 looks batter in and reduce the clipping still there but much batter and the back ground looks great

Here pic in 450 nits DML



and here a pic in 750 nits DML



I hope the pic reflect what I see in real

So I think if there option in DTM to keep 2 different DML for 1000 nits content and 4000 nits content it will be good I think to tone map properly






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Hey Mark I've just figured out how to make Autoswitch work with Kodi and Nvidia Shield 4K via Lumagen


Here are the screenshots
So you have to select Recommended resolution in Nvidia, make sure it is staying at @59 recommend FPS
Then in Kodi in System settings in Video section you have to actually whitelist all available resolutions by opening the window and marking all of them.
Then in Player settings for Video select to change frame rate always
And now Autoswitch works as expected, audio passtrhough works as expected, no dropped frames and it uses native player of Kodi, which I always wanted. So I am continuing to test it at the moment happy.
Also don't forget to select auto switch colorspace in Developer options.

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What I've found in my Kodi/Nvidia Shield/Lumagen Pro environment is that when switching from one input (say Tivo) to the Nvidia switching is quick. However, to play a file of any format if I use Kodi settings under Player ... Playback ... Adjust display refresh rate set to Always there is a delay in showing the video (though sound is immediate) of 15-20 seconds. This is independent of whether or not I set Sync Playback to Display on or off. If the Adjust display refresh rate is off, the video displays immediately. However in this case many videos I'll watch will not be smooth at all (rather jerky), so I'm assuming the frame rate of the source is not being handled correctly. I'm wondering if there's some setting in the Nvidia that should be altered instead, to allow correct frame rate matching with Kodi, avoiding the noticeable delay I experience with the Kodi setting. Or are there some other Kodi settings I've missed. I've tried both enabling and disabling any hardware acceleration but no effect. One thing I did notice is that Render Method is greyed out. What would keep this from being adjustable? But that may have nothing at all to do with what I'm finding.


Did try and see if changing the refresh rate in Kodi from 59.xx to 23.xx did anything, but none.






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What I've found in my Kodi/Nvidia Shield/Lumagen Pro environment is that when starting to play a file of any format if I use Kodi settings under Player ... Playback ... Adjust display refresh rate set to Always there is a delay in showing the video (though sound is immediate) of 15-20 seconds. This is independent of whether or not I set Sync Playback to Display on or off. If the Adjust display refresh rate is off, the video displays immediately. However in this case many videos I'll watch will not be smooth at all (rather jerky), so I'm assuming the frame rate of the source is not being handled correctly. I'm wondering if there's some setting in the Nvidia that should be altered instead, to allow correct frame rate matching with Kodi, avoiding the noticeable delay I experience with the Kodi setting. Or are there some other Kodi settings I've missed. I've tried both enabling and disabling any hardware acceleration but no effect. One thing I did notice is that Render Method is greyed out. What would keep this from being adjustable? But that may have nothing at all to do with what I'm finding.

I suppose you have JVC projector if you experience 15-20 seconds delay? This is normal behaviour as when you play video it switches to its native resolution and frame rate, therefore it is expected that there will be a new handshake between your display and Lumagen. I have Sony vw760es and my delays are around 5 seconds, so is fine.

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I suppose you have JVC projector if you experience 15-20 seconds delay? This is normal behaviour as when you play video it switches to its native resolution and frame rate, therefore it is expected that there will be a new handshake between your display and Lumagen. I have Sony vw760es and my delays are around 5 seconds, so is fine.

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Got me! I see that the Lumagen shows the input as 23.98 after I start playing, so it's that EDID negotiation that must be occurring. Wonder if this is true of all later JVC projectors.




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Max Light=600 but I use the in-built filter, otherwise 800 is more reasonable value
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you also know the light output (nits) with that?
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4) Blade Runner 2049 (2018) Max Mon = ????, MaxCLL = 480
▪ A very dark movie with a MaxCLL = 480 Nits (Disc metadata incorrectly reports 182 Nits)

Those interested should buy the Sony release. Appreciably better detail. Not sure if the HDR metadata is unique, but I can look (on UB820).

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you also know the light output (nits) with that?
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After setting this up, Kodi is not totally working for me; it won’t send 23.98 Hz. MrMC will send 23.98 Hz, but sends only PCM, not bitstream. Ugh.



Thankfully I have my OPPO which just works.



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Nevermind: Both Kodi and MrMC are working fine. For some reason, my output setting for Mode was Custom0 (1080p60) instead of Auto 1. I changed that, and they both send 23.98 Hz fine and MrMC I had the incorrect audio settings for bitstream.



Does anyone know why we have Auto 1 through 4 as options for Mode in the output setup menu?



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Any eta on the next firmware?
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Anyone with 18ghz outputs experiencing green screen on 042119? Multiple reboots flash down and back up seem to make no difference at this point.
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Any eta on the next firmware?
I'm also interested in knowing when the next firmware could come out
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Anyone with 18ghz outputs experiencing green screen on 042119? Multiple reboots flash down and back up seem to make no difference at this point.


All good on mine.

Can you provide setup info and more details? Default settings used?


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Does anyone know why we have Auto 1 through 4 as options for Mode in the output setup menu?

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I found this in the manual, by the way.

Setting the mode to “Auto” followed by an output number will get data from the display for its preferred mode. The output number allows choosing one primary output. The command is:
MENU → Output → Custom Modes → [Custom] → Select Mode

I have mine set to Auto1 because I did not look in the manual when I set this. The strange thing is that nothing is connected to output #1 , but now my Shield TV will send 23.98 Hz video when appropriate for the content, and before it was sending 59.94 Hz for all content.

When the Radiance Pro was set to the default Output Mode of Custom0 (1080p60) the only source device that would consistently send 23.98 Hz when appropriate for the content was the OPPO UDP-203.

Isn't HDMI great?

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