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That´s what we are talking about...
No, they’re different. Your talking about warping, which is scaling the entire image in a non-uniform way to counter the distortions caused by the lens.

Curved masking control involves no scaling, and simply masks pixels from the edges of the frame in a curvature opposite to that produced by the lens, to prevent overspill onto the screen border.
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No, they’re different. Your talking about warping, which is scaling the entire image in a non-uniform way to counter the distortions caused by the lens.

Curved masking control involves no scaling, and simply masks pixels from the edges of the frame in a curvature opposite to that produced by the lens, to prevent overspill onto the screen border.
We were initially talking about "WARPING" and then Jim said that he could probably only correct the curve. And yes, they are different indeed.
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Hey Everyone. Just thought I'd chime in. I've been doing a bunch of testing these last couple days on the BIG update that is coming to the tone mapping for the Radiance Pro. This will be a full FPGA update with completely new curves designed from the ground up. I'm sure Jim will chime in with more specifics. To sum it up, the update is absolutely fantastic. Massive improvements in near black performance, change detections and the curves in general. I've been trying all the different torture tests that I've come up with over the years and I've been drawing as many as possible from the MadVR thread that people have found there and I haven't found a single issue yet. I think this will be going live VERY soon and everyone is in for a treat.
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Hey Everyone. Just thought I'd chime in. I've been doing a bunch of testing these last couple days on the BIG update that is coming to the tone mapping for the Radiance Pro. This will be a full FPGA update with completely new curves designed from the ground up. I'm sure Jim will chime in with more specifics. To sum it up, the update is absolutely fantastic. Massive improvements in near black performance, change detections and the curves in general. I've been trying all the different torture tests that I've come up with over the years and I've been drawing as many as possible from the MadVR thread that people have found there and I haven't found a single issue yet. I think this will be going live VERY soon and everyone is in for a treat.
Wow - great news Kris ! Thanks for the update.
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I wonder when the “Warp Drive” will be added.


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Hey Everyone. Just thought I'd chime in. I've been doing a bunch of testing these last couple days on the BIG update that is coming to the tone mapping for the Radiance Pro. This will be a full FPGA update with completely new curves designed from the ground up. I'm sure Jim will chime in with more specifics. To sum it up, the update is absolutely fantastic. Massive improvements in near black performance, change detections and the curves in general. I've been trying all the different torture tests that I've come up with over the years and I've been drawing as many as possible from the MadVR thread that people have found there and I haven't found a single issue yet. I think this will be going live VERY soon and everyone is in for a treat.
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Update to the Radiance Pro manual

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As I mentioned in my previous post I am working on an update to the Radiance Pro manual that includes Dynamic Tone Mapping. I hope to have something to put on the website mid-May.
Except for the intriguing enhancememts to Dynamic Tone Mapping that Kris Deering just teased us with, I would most prefer an update to the Radiance Pro manual re: DTM before any esoteric feature enhancement.

Since it is now mid-July, any word on status of an update?

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Hey Everyone. Just thought I'd chime in. I've been doing a bunch of testing these last couple days on the BIG update that is coming to the tone mapping for the Radiance Pro. This will be a full FPGA update with completely new curves designed from the ground up. I'm sure Jim will chime in with more specifics. To sum it up, the update is absolutely fantastic. Massive improvements in near black performance, change detections and the curves in general. I've been trying all the different torture tests that I've come up with over the years and I've been drawing as many as possible from the MadVR thread that people have found there and I haven't found a single issue yet. I think this will be going live VERY soon and everyone is in for a treat.
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Not sure. I am. It presently doing any booth calibrations or setups but if I do I will try and get one to display.

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Hey Everyone. Just thought I'd chime in. I've been doing a bunch of testing these last couple days on the BIG update that is coming to the tone mapping for the Radiance Pro. This will be a full FPGA update with completely new curves designed from the ground up. I'm sure Jim will chime in with more specifics. To sum it up, the update is absolutely fantastic. Massive improvements in near black performance, change detections and the curves in general. I've been trying all the different torture tests that I've come up with over the years and I've been drawing as many as possible from the MadVR thread that people have found there and I haven't found a single issue yet. I think this will be going live VERY soon and everyone is in for a treat.
Really pleased to hear this. Though the current public release is much, much better than not running DTM; now I'm out of my setup phase(ish) in my new room and actually sitting back and watching movies I notice in particular that the change detection can very occasionally be a bit sub-optimal in places. Very excited to see the new release when it drops
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Question, if all we were to use is 4k SDR 2020 from the Lumagen with DTM would the 18Gbps outputs be necessary? What kind of data rates would be likely be used?

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Question, if all we were to use is 4k SDR 2020 from the Lumagen with DTM would the 18Gbps outputs be necessary? What kind of data rates would be likely be used?
If you are happy to keep 4k50 or 4k60 to 8bit 420, and 4k24 to 12bit 422, then you can use 9G out cards.
This is the best chart for seeing this at a glance.
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I went through a similar analysis on deciding on how many inputs/outputs I wanted to be 18G. Finally determined, I would rather be safe, spend the extra money when I purchased it and went for all 18G. The Lumagen, like my A-Lens, processor, projector, speaker and amps, are very long ownership purchases. So I decided it was worth it.

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If you are happy to keep 4k50 or 4k60 to 8bit 420, and 4k24 to 12bit 422, then you can use 9G out cards.

This is the best chart for seeing this at a glance.

Thanks...I hv seen this chart so many times but not sure why I confused all this with 4k SDR...and I'm also pretty sure I read the answer before, most likely from you as well...thanks again. Overthinking is a nasty habit

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I went through a similar analysis on deciding on how many inputs/outputs I wanted to be 18G. Finally determined, I would rather be safe, spend the extra money when I purchased it and went for all 18G. The Lumagen, like my A-Lens, processor, speaker and amps, are very long ownership purchases. So I decided it was worth it.
Yeah...I hear you...time to make a decision. I just got the S & M UHD disc as well and the demo clip where you get to change the mastering level is an eye opener for sure and comparing the output of the clip on my JVC with custom curves and the built in DTM on my LG OLED tells me that the way forward for projectors would be with some form on DTM and not static curves, no matter how much one thinks it looks ok. The saturation does not look as good on static curves.

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Thanks...I hv seen this chart so many times but not sure why I confused all this with 4k SDR...and I'm also pretty sure I read the answer before, most likely from you as well...thanks again. Overthinking is a nasty habit
For what it is worth I don't think it is that clear cut of a decision, particularly if you're going with a unit with only 1 output "slot" (ie a 42xx).

From what I understand you're likely to have less interoperability / HDMI handshake / cable etc issues sticking with the 9G out cards, and you get video out on both ports, instead of 1x 18G video + 1x9G audio with blue screen video.
I don't think 444 out is important particularly; so that leaves things like AppleTV UI and Billy Lynn's Long Halftime as benefiting from 4k50/60 >8bit. I think last time it came up Jim mentioned that the dithering to 8 bit is very good.
I think you definitely want 18G inputs unless you're likely to be a heavy PIP user when that feature lands on the larger units (you can't PIP the two inputs of a single 18G card I recall, pip has to be between different 18G cards).
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No, they’re different. Your talking about warping, which is scaling the entire image in a non-uniform way to counter the distortions caused by the lens.

Curved masking control involves no scaling, and simply masks pixels from the edges of the frame in a curvature opposite to that produced by the lens, to prevent overspill onto the screen border.
That would be a nice feature. Icing on the cake for sure !
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Yeah...I hear you...time to make a decision. I just got the S & M UHD disc as well and the demo clip where you get to change the mastering level is an eye opener for sure and comparing the output of the clip on my JVC with custom curves and the built in DTM on my LG OLED tells me that the way forward for projectors would be with some form on DTM and not static curves, no matter how much one thinks it looks ok. The saturation does not look as good on static curves.

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I have had my Radiance Pro 4449 since the day it came out. I purchased a 18GHz input and 18GHz output cards on the day they were released. So far, the only instances I ever needed 18GHz were Billy Lynn’s 4K UHD Blu-ray and Battlefield V on Xbox One X. Billy Lynn is the only 4K disc mastered in 60 frames and I doubt there will be more titles like this ever. Most Xbox one X games including 4K enhanced ones are OK with 9GHz in 4K60 in 8 bits , Battlefield V and maybe a few other 4K HDR titles need 4K60 in 12 bits.

I actually decided to return my 18 GHz input card for a 9 Ghz card. 44xx units will get PIP/POP and 18 GHz input cards have limitations with this function. I am buying another 18 Ghz output card however. I prefer to send at least 4:2:2 to my TV.
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Given the public comments by Kris Deering as well as an email conversation I had with Craig Rounds, it has to be very, very close - but I have not a clue what that means!!

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Not as imminently as hoped but I’d rather they get it right! Have been checking twice a day all week!
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considering getting a lumagen 4240, a few questions as I'm a newbie.
I have a projector, BenQ 990, that's connected to an Arcam receiver. inputs on the receiver are appletv, roku, of which I watch mostly Netflix, and movies that are 4k streams from vudu/appletv.

Would I just get the 4240 and put it in between the receiver and projector?

how easy is it to setup?http://www.chromapure.com/products-lumagenPro-new.asp Here it says it comes with a meter, and software chromapure. Do all lumagens come with this? If i were to calibrate the projector (I've never done it with a meter) is it easy? How automated is it?

or do I get a i3 Display pro 3 and use HCFR?

or CalMan ?

lastly I don't understand the 3D LUT do I need it?
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how easy is it to setup?http://www.chromapure.com/products-lumagenPro-new.asp Here it says it comes with a meter, and software chromapure. Do all lumagens come with this? If i were to calibrate the projector (I've never done it with a meter) is it easy? How automated is it?

or do I get a i3 Display pro 3 and use HCFR?

or CalMan ?

lastly I don't understand the 3D LUT do I need it?
All Lumagen's don't come with ChromaPure - or CalMan. It is a package deal the video calibration software companies offer.

I can't comment on how easy it would be for you to do all of the calibration, implement 3D LUT, etc. I bought my first Lumagen (from CalMan) in order to be able to calibrate my projector, similar to what you are considering. At the time (maybe 8 or 10 years ago), it was anything but fully automated, though some portions were. And I clearly did not (and still don't) have the underlying knowledge to be able to successfully take full advantage of what it had to offer. That should not imply that you won't.

So instead of buying the Lumagen from ChromaPure (or CalMan), I bought my current one from someone who is an approved Lumagen Calibrator. There are a few of them but Craig Rounds (from whom I bought mine) is one as is Kris Deering. I'm sure there are others. Not inexpensive but you would be confident of getting the most out of your Lumagen/projector. That hardware is a significant investment and extracting all it has to offer would seem the logical choice.
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Is there a NORAD Santa Tracker that shows where the update will be next? We know it has already reached part of Western Washington at Kris' house. Where's he due next?
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Everyone here is MAD with ENVY over what the Radiance Pro does already and even more so with the shortly upcoming firmware upgrade! (Pun intended!)
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I still don't know what to buy, MadVR ENVY can be very interesting solution for an interesting price. But Lumanagen Radiance PRO have currently very good support but at a higher price. I think i will have to wait for some comparison.
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I still don't know what to buy, MadVR ENVY can be very interesting solution for an interesting price. But Lumanagen Radiance PRO have currently very good support but at a higher price. I think i will have to wait for some comparison.
Off-topic in this thread, but where do you have pricing info from for MadVR Envy?
So far as I'm aware there isn't any indication yet as to pricing for it.
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