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no, it's a request for the next improvement.
I'm sure Lumagen will do these too.
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any thoughts about the new FW still not download it maybe today I will do


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i am still at work... but I'm curious about your impressions from this update
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i am still at work... but I'm curious about your impressions from this update

Even me still not update my lumagen plan for today later


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If I got it correctly, that just was a wish for the next todo.
Or do we really have the implementation of that in 041120?
Sorry, I missed that. I think you are correct.

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Still need PIP/POP! Although my need for watching live sports while gaming has diminished....
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I updated mine from work yesterday. It was a nice surprise and was ready for me when I got home. Great job Jim!!!


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I updated mine from work yesterday. It was a nice surprise and was ready for me when I got home. Great job Jim!!!
How do you do that remotely?
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sharpness and noise reduction. We have been waiting for a long time!!!
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no, it's a request for the next improvement.
I'm sure Lumagen will do these too.
Personally I no longer believe in it too unfortunately ...

I have had the Lumagen Pro for almost four years and these settings have been constantly pushed back.

Having a 1080p projector, I hesitate to acquire a lumagen mini 3d to benefit from these settings that I found fantastic. I think to enter with the source in the Pro to carry out all the treatments then attack the mini 3d on which I will only use the sharpness and noise reduction settings ...
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Just a heads up for folks about this new release. I've been helping Lumagen with this for a few weeks now. This is a nice improvement in terms of difficult scenes that present issues for a dynamic solution. BUT, with standard content you won't likely see much, if any difference between this release and what you had before. This release is more about how well the DTM handles difficult material with lots of changes that can throw off a dynamic solution and cause visible artifacts. It does ultimately improve the picture quite a bit with a lot of content, but again, this was focused more on extreme cases that certainly aren't the norm, which the Radiance already handles extremely well. There are other little fixes in the build as well (auto NLS fixes, test pattern fixes, other niggles).
can you provide specific scenes to test with?
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can you provide specific scenes to test with?
I don't provide scenes with issues to people as I generally tell people not to look for problems and just sit back and enjoy. Once you start to see problems they are hard to ignore, so why go looking for them. It is HIGHLY unlikely you will see problems with the tone mapping with this build. BUT, it is a dynamic solution, which means that it can NEVER be perfect (otherwise it wouldn't need to be dynamic). But I think most will rarely if ever see anything tone map related, even with very difficult material for a dynamic solution, which is the goal.

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I don't provide scenes with issues to people as I generally tell people not to look for problems and just sit back and enjoy. Once you start to see problems they are hard to ignore, so why go looking for them. It is HIGHLY unlikely you will see problems with the tone mapping with this build. BUT, it is a dynamic solution, which means that it can NEVER be perfect (otherwise it wouldn't need to be dynamic). But I think most will rarely if ever see anything tone map related, even with very difficult material for a dynamic solution, which is the goal.
Can someone tell me what NLS means (related to the latest firmware)?

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Can someone tell me what NLS means (related to the latest firmware)?

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NLS is "non-linear stretch". It is used with scope screens for content that is a narrower aspect than the screen. When engaged it will non-linearly stretch/crop the image to fill the screen completely. This has always worked, but there was a bug when you engage the auto aspect function to use this automatically that would result in it not working right away after the selection was mode in the menu.
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I don't provide scenes with issues to people as I generally tell people not to look for problems and just sit back and enjoy. Once you start to see problems they are hard to ignore, so why go looking for them. It is HIGHLY unlikely you will see problems with the tone mapping with this build. BUT, it is a dynamic solution, which means that it can NEVER be perfect (otherwise it wouldn't need to be dynamic). But I think most will rarely if ever see anything tone map related, even with very difficult material for a dynamic solution, which is the goal.
that's fine!
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Hi, with thats new firmware all my problem with some movies are gone. Just tested UHD Maleficent: Mistress of Evil where i noticed before some problem with ADTM but now all is perfect with no issues.


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Hi, with thats new firmware all my problem with some movies are gone. Just tested UHD Maleficent: Mistress of Evil where i noticed before some problem with ADTM but now all is perfect with no issues.


thank you Jim
Glad to hear this resolved those issues! Just want to reiterate, this can never be perfect for all scenes as it is dynamic, BUT, please report issues you guys see to [email protected] so they can take a look and possibly resolve them. Lumagen certainly can't look at every piece of content out there, so the more people that see a clear issue with DTM and report it, the better chance that these issues will rarely, if ever, pop up!
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I use the Harmony app to turn on the system. Then use Jump Desktop to connect to the server computer which has the USB from the Radiance connected to it. Easy Peasy.
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Glad to hear this resolved those issues! Just want to reiterate, this can never be perfect for all scenes as it is dynamic, BUT, please report issues you guys see to [email protected] so they can take a look and possibly resolve them. Lumagen certainly can't look at every piece of content out there, so the more people that see a clear issue with DTM and report it, the better chance that these issues will rarely, if ever, pop up!

Hi, yes thats i know and because this i am try always send emal at lumagen support if i found some issues with info where and when.
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I don't provide scenes with issues to people as I generally tell people not to look for problems and just sit back and enjoy. Once you start to see problems they are hard to ignore, so why go looking for them.
On one hand, I sympathise with this - having lived through DVD "artefact hell" where I could barely watch a film for artefact distractions I get the "once you see it, you can't unsee it" argument, however the reason many of us are here is to deepen our knowledge of AV stuff and to help look for problems so they can be addressed, and so sharing things like test scenes is generally a useful thing... Others may then spot similar issues on discs that you/Lumagen don't own, for instance, and can flag them up for attention. And then we all benefit from futher improvements...
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I don't provide scenes with issues to people as I generally tell people not to look for problems and just sit back and enjoy. Once you start to see problems they are hard to ignore, so why go looking for them.
On one hand, I sympathise with this - having lived through DVD "artefact hell" where I could barely watch a film for artefact distractions I get the "once you see it, you can't unsee it" argument, however the reason many of us are here is to deepen our knowledge of AV stuff and to help look for problems so they can be addressed, and so sharing things like test scenes is generally a useful thing... Others may then spot similar issues on discs that you/Lumagen don't own, for instance, and can flag them up for attention. And then we all benefit from futher improvements...
I can see where you are going with this but honestly, if the problems are bad enough to warrant improvement, people will see them without the need for pointing them out. Think of DTM like a dynamic contrast system. We all know there are artifacts associated with those types of systems, but we rarely see issues bad enough that we’d feel the need to report them to a vendor for evaluation. In the case of DTM, I’d say most would see artifacts with a dynamic iris or contrast system before they’d see one with DTM with 99% or more of content. But if something really caught your eye and proved to be based on DTM, you have an avenue to report it. If everyone is over analyzing everything they watch and reporting every little blip then it makes it much harder for Lumagen to use their time on other things that need attention that they are trying to work on because they are inundated with reports for artifacts that most people would never see unless someone pointed them out. I’d rather they spend their time working on some other areas that need addressing and only worry about obvious artifacts from DTM that are bad enough that they easily call attention to themselves. At this point those should be extremely rare.
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I’d rather they spend their time working on some other areas that need addressing and only worry about obvious artifacts from DTM that are bad enough that they easily call attention to themselves. At this point those should be extremely rare.
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Fair enough.
Don't get me wrong, if Lumagen had unlimited resources I would love for them to just continually refine the DTM. But that just isn't the reality and I feel the more they try to tweak the most obscure tiny issues, the more other areas that could benefit from improvements that are in the works would go by the wayside. I'm sure down the road when those things are done, more refinement could be made to DTM.

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new update:


041220- Posted 042220 Small improvement for DTM issue. Please continue giving us your detailed feedback on issues via email at [email protected] .
Update time ~1 minutes @230k from previous firmware


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Don't get me wrong, if Lumagen had unlimited resources I would love for them to just continually refine the DTM. But that just isn't the reality and I feel the more they try to tweak the most obscure tiny issues, the more other areas that could benefit from improvements that are in the works would go by the wayside. I'm sure down the road when those things are done, more refinement could be made to DTM.
Kris,
Is that just me.... the sync time is now lighting fast - when I switch sources (Sony VW5000 - Trinnov Altitude 32) - various sources appear as fast as on my OLED TV.
All the light pumping when switching sources is gone.
Very pleasant experience ..... makes Lumagen feel more solid and stable.
I did see some stutters in a movie I watched (Yesterday) using my Sony 1000ES UHD BD Player.
Others in this forum with my equipment (and I know there are a few) can experiment and comment.
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Is that just me.... the sync time is now lighting fast - when I switch sources (Sony VW5000 - Trinnov Altitude 32) - various sources appear as fast as on my OLED TV.
All the light pumping when switching sources is gone.
Very pleasant experience ..... makes Lumagen feel more solid and stable.
I did see some stutters in a movie I watched (Yesterday) using my Sony 1000ES UHD BD Player.
Others in this forum with my equipment (and I know there are a few) can experiment and comment.
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I'm going to update... It's been a while - are there any settings that need to be redone after or just update and watch away!?

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I'm going to update... It's been a while - are there any settings that need to be redone after or just update and watch away!?
You should be fine. This update doesn't have anything that would change suggested settings or a calibration.
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Is that just me.... the sync time is now lighting fast - when I switch sources (Sony VW5000 - Trinnov Altitude 32) - various sources appear as fast as on my OLED TV.
All the light pumping when switching sources is gone.
Very pleasant experience ..... makes Lumagen feel more solid and stable.
I did see some stutters in a movie I watched (Yesterday) using my Sony 1000ES UHD BD Player.
Others in this forum with my equipment (and I know there are a few) can experiment and comment.
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Hmm. Not aware of anything that would change switching speed, but glad to hear!
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I'm going to update... It's been a while - are there any settings that need to be redone after or just update and watch away!?
Jeff,
Hope you are doing well... what a difference two months make - when I visited you late February, Detroit was booming and now...
No changes to be done in your settings - that is my understanding.
The picture is looking fabulous, I think this update is the best update since the first DTM update.
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Glad to hear this resolved those issues! Just want to reiterate, this can never be perfect for all scenes as it is dynamic, BUT, please report issues you guys see to [email protected] so they can take a look and possibly resolve them. Lumagen certainly can't look at every piece of content out there, so the more people that see a clear issue with DTM and report it, the better chance that these issues will rarely, if ever, pop up!
Update looks great. The problem scenes in Hacksaw Ridge Chapter 10 where explosions and muzzle flash abruptly force dynamic changes are now gone. Thanks all for constantly improving our devices!

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Made the update and looks great and satiable and some especially the second one more enjoyment this weekend and hope every thing is fine I was face too bright image in enter the storm scene when the thunder lights but with the second update looks more comfort to my eyes

Thank you @jrp and also @Kris Deering and Patrick and all the people who works hard to bring this top quality product and service even as Ash mention the switch come more faster and until now zero hdmi handshake which i face a lot in the previous Update before the zone DTM
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