Originally Posted by Mr.Brown01
One more quick question @ HDfury. I purchased a 4K linker from Amazon and it had no Power Supply with it included.
I also purchased AVR Key recently and it says there is no power supply included. (it wasnt delivered yet)
On the HDfury homepage, there is a selection of a Region for the power supply. So I was wondering if we only get a power supply if we order from HDfury site directly?
Does HDfury site ship from china? If its the case, I assume we need to pay extra import tax and customs, right?
It ships from Taiwan, so yes, import charge at arrival, you can thank your government for that
There is a new page under construction on the website called "buy local", you can find recommended dealer in each country (allow a few weeks to be populated)
We supply power supply with all our devices (to our customers and to our resellers), what happens on Ebay, Amazon, etc... is out of our control, usually it's reseller of reseller and they will happily sell you the power supply separately, we even saw some sellers selling our power supply as Apple/Android charger separately. So you believe you won some $, in fact you did not. I'm preaching buying from reputable source since day1, you can read history ...
Originally Posted by jubbinen
I just tested the receiver and it actually handles 1080/60, I have never used it because of limitations of my old TV. So that should simplify the settings am I right?
Yes, yes, very good !
EDID slide on CUSTOM
SCALE slide on AUTOMIX
AVR at TOP out
TV at BOT out
And it will work out of the box (or after trick is applied, read next fw release note coming in next hours)
Originally Posted by citsur86
I’ll checkout let the cable, thanks. I have read that DD+ is not possible over Optical? Is that true?
The main reason I’m considering purchasing the Vertex is to split the signal to a 1080p projector and my 4K TV, one at a time, but preserving max specs in both cases. My AVR has only 1 output which is also has the ARC. Zone 2s amp assign is different, so that won’t work to send out projector HDMI with all speakers intact. Both Projector and TV still need to come from primary zone 1 output on the AVR (which is only ARC output as well)
How would I go right from TV to AVR to keep the working TV ARC if the AVR only has one output and my desire is to split the output as mentioned above? I think you were perhaps misunderstand and thinking I was trying to use the Vertex to solve an ARC issue? Rather I’m just trying to make sure while solving my splitting issue, I don’t introduce a new issue with ARC.
You should read my first reply again because it was actually very complete.
IF your TV is capable of outputting DD+/ATMOS over HDMI/ARC
IF the HDMI/ARC cable used is capable of 192khz audio over HDMI/ARC (as stated before, very hard to find !)
IF Vertex is set to extract DD+/ATMOS for ARC (That's the easiest part
IF Optical cable can carry 192khz audio (some will work, some not)
IF AVR can accept 192khz via S/PDIF
Then you will be able to get DD+/ATMOS sound extracted from TV and forwarded to your AVR. There should not even be 10% of capable AVR in world.
That's why i said, if you already have DD+/ATMOS from TV ARC to AVR ARC via HDMI working, you should may be keep it that way. Now of course, i didn't know your AVR only have one output
Yes may be i missed your initial goal in my answers, but i'm only answering your questions
As i see your issue and our solutions i would say:
Splitting your AVR output to feed PJ and TV is no problem, but doing this, ARC in your setup could be a problem because you would have to see if your AVR support Atmos/DD+ via S/PDIF, otherwise there is a trade off by installing Vertex at your AVR output (that have ARC working for DD+/ATMOS from TV APPS)
So if Vertex ARC doesn't give you more than 5.1 because may be AVR is not capable of more than 5.1 from S/PDIF(optical) then may be you can wait for ARC-Key, which would solve this issue once for all for anyone. So at the end you would need Vertex + ARC-key (once available, if available), but first you should determine if AVR can do more than 5.1 over S/PDIF.
In our lab, both our Denon 4200 and Yamaha A2060 are working nicely for the purpose, they both play DD+/Atmos from LG TV apps extracted by Vertex and fed by optical to them.
And yes, you will read everywhere that more than 5.1 is not possible over S/PDIF, that's nearly true, but not totally true, it all depends how you approach the question. (the tech answer is below)
spdif is just not defined to support beyond a certain bandwidth 1.5mega or so. it is enough to carry 2x 16bit 48khz audio
16x48khz = 1.536megs
this is standard spdif and then something like 5.1 compressed bitstream can fit there as well.
but for ARC purposes forget SPDIF, its just a cable and you can shove in that cable whatever you want
this way as long as source sends and receiver understands you can put anything in it. the protocol is still SPDIF but it doesn't follow the spec BW limits. it doesn't care about those
for DD+ you have 192kHz over 2 channel 16 bits so that's what 6.144Megabits
its 4x the "allowed" BW
when sending DD+ signal or Dolby Atmos (over DD+) then you receive this 6.144Mega signal from TV
as long as equipment understands and can process it you are fine. it carries all the necessary headers for an AVR to understand it
Originally Posted by Jeffrey Suchocki
What is the issue with the eeColor? I wasn't quite following the problem @DrFaxe
was reporting. So my situation is likely irrelevant to his problem. But I have the eeColor in my 1080p sources chain (last component before the Vertex top input). And I've never had an issue with it. I believe it may technically be an HDMI 1.3 device--but that never seemed to matter except for ARC. But I don't need to use ARC anymore since my setup is able to send audio through the AVR regardless of source (with the one exception of native apps--I have to use an optical out for audio to AVR for any native apps on my Vizio P75).
I also discovered purely by accident today that when I use Matrix Swap, I can route my 4k content through the eeColor, too. Of course it goes through several scaling conversions in the process (downscaled to 1080p for the AVR, back through the eeColor, upscaled through Vertex, output to Vizio). But that's was unexpected. And for non HDR content, it actually makes some sense. And if I figure out how to manipulate HDR with the Vertex (I'm still very confused by how the whole process works), it may be useful for HDR content. But I may not be understanding how that works. Is it the case that the Vertex can both remove the HDR metadata, run it through some chain that ultimately comes back to the Vertex through a different input, and then reinsert it for output to the TV? Or am I completely misunderstanding that process?
We don't know yet what is the issue, we might need to buy one to find out. What we know is that some fix after 184.108.40.206 breaks support for it. At the moment, we are waiting TCL TV to study it and if we find something, then we will need DrFaxe to see if it also helps the eecolor issue or not. If not, then we will have to study eecolor directly too (but in the meantime, he will get something else to try out) so... it's work underway for the moment.
What you are describing on the second paragraph, is exactly an use case i wrote about in the very early posts of this thread in order to show how versatile vertex is. Yes that is possible or will be possible (in an extended way), actually we should have more questions and requests around this once API/DLL becomes public and people start using for more calibration and content creation jobs. API/DLL is due in a week or two max.
Originally Posted by citsur86
Maybe I’m just not understanding how the HDMI outputs on my AVR work? I have a Marantz SR-6011 by the way. There are two outputs but one is for Zone 2. When I tried to plug the projector into that one i could get video, but not audio. When i looked at the amp assign, Zone 2 seemed to only play two channels either by taking 2 of my surround channels away or preamped out of the AVR. Do you know if there’s a way to use this second output to configure as you did with your denon? Ideally i need the second output to just send video and keep the amp assignment the same as it is for Zone 1. Is the second denon main output zone 2 or truly a second output?
I’m thinking I’ll still be able to accomplish arc audio back to my AVR just by using the jack Optical cable from Vertex to AVR. It doesn’t matter if I do it this way or use HDMI right? The current highest quality available audio (Netflix 4K DD+/Atmos) sent over ARC will be able to be sent through the Optical cable same as HDMI right?
Edit: just found the Denon X4300H does have 3 HMDI outputs for Zone 2, monitor+ ARC, and monitor. What a bummer that mine doesn’t. Seems they added it to the SR-6012 though.
- you’ve said a couple times that as long as my AVR can accept 192khz over Optical that I should still be able to get DD+/Atmos from TV ARC to Vertex via HDMI, then Vertex to AVR via Jack Optical to S/PDIF. I’m reading that optical cables don’t support DD+ due to bandwidth constraints. Is that right or is there something I’m missing? Also I’ve spent about an hour googling Jack Optical to S/PDIF and can’t find anything matching that exact description. I found this.
FosPower (6 Feet) 24K Gold Plated Toslink to Mini Toslink Digital Optical S/PDIF Audio Cable with Metal Connectors & Strain-Relief PVC Jacket https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00T8HWV62..._TTRIAbQ2EJPVN
Is that right? Thanks again for your help.
That's correct type of cable jack > s/pdif you have on this link. We also have some on our webshop. (google hints was to get a picture of how it looks like quickly)
For the rest, i do think my previous answer cover everything, if not, tell me. (You are learning a lot those days isn't it ?