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my projector is the viewsonic px727 .

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HDR support
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Please provide max res or link to display usermanual in PDF, we need something accurate, is it 2160p 4:2:0 8b max or 2160 4:4:4 8b ?

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Please provide max res or link to display usermanual in PDF, we need something accurate, is it 2160p 4:2:0 8b max or 2160 4:4:4 8b ?
https://www.viewsonic.com/us/catalog.../px727-4k.html (data sheet )

http://www.viewsonicglobal.com/publi...G_ENG.pdf?pass (user guide pages 49-50 )

https://www.viewsonic.com/us/px727-4k.html (product page )

although unfortunately while it states 2160p 4:2:0 it doesnt say if its 10bit or 8bit

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https://www.viewsonic.com/us/catalog.../px727-4k.html (data sheet )

http://www.viewsonicglobal.com/publi...G_ENG.pdf?pass (user guide pages 49-50 )

https://www.viewsonic.com/us/px727-4k.html (product page )

although unfortunately while it states 2160p 4:2:0 it doesnt say if its 10bit or 8bit
Yes it's 300MHz/10.2Gbps if it's 4:2:0 for 4K60


So please refer to usermanual p.11


And choose one the quick preset below: (HOLD RST button and press INP button 3 times for preset 3 which should be perfect for you)





3. Set 4k30/4k60 presets for a 4K30 deepcolor PJ at 300MHz (e.g Wired UB/TW Epson) [4k30 8/10/12 -> 4k30 422 12 300, 4k60 600MHz -> 4k60 420 300MHz]


4. Set 4k30/4k60 presets for a 4k60 420 300MHz TV [4k30 8/10/12 -> 4k30 8, 4k60 600 -> 4k60 420 300]


5. Set 4k30/4k60 presets for a 4k30 8-bit 300MHz TV [4k30 8/10/12 -> 4k30 8, 4k60 all-> 1080p60 444 8/10/12]

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Yes it's 300MHz/10.2Gbps if it's 4:2:0 for 4K60


So please refer to usermanual p.11


And choose one the quick preset below: (HOLD RST button and press INP button 3 times for preset 3 which should be perfect for you)





3. Set 4k30/4k60 presets for a 4K30 deepcolor PJ at 300MHz (e.g Wired UB/TW Epson) [4k30 8/10/12 -> 4k30 422 12 300, 4k60 600MHz -> 4k60 420 300MHz]


4. Set 4k30/4k60 presets for a 4k60 420 300MHz TV [4k30 8/10/12 -> 4k30 8, 4k60 600 -> 4k60 420 300]


5. Set 4k30/4k60 presets for a 4k30 8-bit 300MHz TV [4k30 8/10/12 -> 4k30 8, 4k60 all-> 1080p60 444 8/10/12]
thank you for your reply.

I have a one more question

if i am using the windows gui which edid should i use ?

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thank you for your reply.

I have a one more question

if i am using the windows gui which edid should i use ?
Default one, unless you need to remove HDR support.

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Default one, unless you need to remove HDR support.
after selecting preset 3, the gui and edid sliders on the linker should be set to the middle position, correct ?
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after selecting preset 3, the gui and edid sliders on the linker should be set to the middle position, correct ?

EDID slide and SCALE slide in mid position are respectively CUSTOM and PASS THRU default value after firmware flash.
However, mid position, also means GUI control, so if you run GUI and change EDID to SINK MODE and SCALE mode to DOWNSCALE, then leaving EDID in mid position will results in keeping those settings.
So as long as you don't run the GUI and made change to it, answer to your question is YES, but if you ran the GUI and made changes, please run GUI again and reverse changes to default if you need an YES to your question .


Also custom EDID default is full 4K60 HDR, mid position will always present this EDID unless you run GUI and change it.
If you made too many changes, just hard reset from gui or flash firmware again, do combo trick to set quick preset 3 and it should work with all slide on mid position.


If issue, just try SLIDE scale in either DOWNSCALE or THRU.

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I am running a linker with my Xbox One X and an Epson 5040UB. Display is fine on the console main menu but when game fires up the video starts cutting in and out. It will play for a few seconds, cut out, then pop back in and play for a few seconds. For settings on the linker I have copied others settings but I cant figure out why the video is cutting in and out. This is my second Xbox One X and it did it with the first one as well (I sent the other one back because of another problem). Anyway anyone know a good place to start, I can post pics of my settings. I am using these cables (not sure if this is going to work since it is a link to amazon) but in looking at the cables they may be the problem. Looks like they only support 4k 30hz, what do you guys think? Any good recommendations for inexpensive HDMI cables that work great?
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I am running a linker with my Xbox One X and an Epson 5040UB. Display is fine on the console main menu but when game fires up the video starts cutting in and out. It will play for a few seconds, cut out, then pop back in and play for a few seconds. For settings on the linker I have copied others settings but I cant figure out why the video is cutting in and out. This is my second Xbox One X and it did it with the first one as well (I sent the other one back because of another problem). Anyway anyone know a good place to start, I can post pics of my settings. I am using these cables (not sure if this is going to work since it is a link to amazon) but in looking at the cables they may be the problem. Looks like they only support 4k 30hz, what do you guys think? Any good recommendations for inexpensive HDMI cables that work great?

Yes it's cable issue and the amazon title for your current cable says it all "4K60 18Gbps except on ATV4K where it's max 4K30" > that made my day thank you !
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Get Kabledirect 6ft and you should be fine.

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Hi I'm looking for the best way to create an EDID for Sony X900F that enables 1080p @ 120Hz with 10bit HDR support. Any help would be appreciated.
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Hi I'm looking for the best way to create an EDID for Sony X900F that enables 1080p @ 120Hz with 10bit HDR support. Any help would be appreciated.
Nowadays the best way is notepad

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Thanks! I'll look into it.

Can the HD Fury Linker take a 1080p 60Hz 8bit RGB signal from a switch and scale it to 1080p 120Hz? I'm asking for many friends who own switches and want to take the 1080p 60 signal and convert it to 120Hz since their UHD displays have the lowest input lag that way.

A product like that would sell like hotcakes in competitive fighting game scene.
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Thanks! I'll look into it.

Can the HD Fury Linker take a 1080p 60Hz 8bit RGB signal from a switch and scale it to 1080p 120Hz? I'm asking for many friends who own switches and want to take the 1080p 60 signal and convert it to 120Hz since their UHD displays have the lowest input lag that way.

A product like that would sell like hotcakes in competitive fighting game scene.

No, that is called FRAME RATE CONVERSION and not scaling !


If the input lag was measured with leo bodnar tool (and most forum test and online review are done that way) you should not take it too seriously, all measurements are wrong.

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No, that is called FRAME RATE CONVERSION and not scaling !


If the input lag was measured with leo bodnar tool (and most forum test and online review are done that way) you should not take it too seriously, all measurements are wrong.
Input lag for the x900F was measured by RTings they have their own setup and do a great job. They don't use Leo Bodnar.

Another question how many milliseconds does the HDFury Linker take to upscale 1080p 60 RGB (0-255) to 4K 60 RGB (0-255)? The Sony's own internal scaling for 1080p @ 60Hz 40.9 ms while in native 4K @ 60Hz 4k @ 60Hz 24.2 ms so an extra 16.7ms (so 1 whole frame).

RTings developed their own tool and testing


Do you have internal information of how long the HD Linker takes? Since it's a simple upscale while passing the RGB information.

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Hi,

I use a Sony VW285ES with an ATV4K. All Sony 4K projectors have a problem with the ATV4K because the ATV4K conversion of DV to HDR10 is defective. HDR10 is supposed to have static metadata but the metadata is changed or at least updated approx every 5 minutes causing the PJ to renegotiate and resulting in a video drop out.

This happens about 20 times during a movie.

Not all DV iTunes movies are affected. ... Only some have the dynamic metadata.

I see Linker can insert metadata...but exactly how looks a bit complicated.

This quote from a update page looks like the feature I need "1. GUI option to shut off the HDR infoframe from the output. (GUI as “Disable HDR” Just click that and no HDR infoframe reach the display even though the input has it.)


Edit - I couldn't wait for feedback... Ordered the Linker. It has one job which is to let my ATV4K work with my 4K PJ eliminating drop outs caused by dynamic meta data. If it works it will be my favorite physical thing. If not,.. it goes back. I'll start trying hopefully Wednesday.

P.s. If it has a "heat problem" as some HDFury product has that would be a bonus as it's winter and would it will be living in an unheated basement.


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Input lag for the x900F was measured by RTings they have their own setup and do a great job. They don't use Leo Bodnar.

Another question how many milliseconds does the HDFury Linker take to upscale 1080p 60 RGB (0-255) to 4K 60 RGB (0-255)? The Sony's own internal scaling for 1080p @ 60Hz 40.9 ms while in native 4K @ 60Hz 4k @ 60Hz 24.2 ms so an extra 16.7ms (so 1 whole frame).

RTings developed their own tool and testing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbU-6jo9AeE

Do you have internal information of how long the HD Linker takes? Since it's a simple upscale while passing the RGB information.

Ah yes, that's the good way of doing it, glad they updated, it was scary to see all forum and review site publishing leo bodnar measurements.
Linker input lag is less than 1ms in all conditions same for all our devices, only Integral2/Vertex have even lower one (nano second count as we optimized tremendously)





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I use a Sony VW285ES with an ATV4K. All Sony 4K projectors have a problem with the ATV4K because the ATV4K conversion of DV to HDR10 is defective. HDR10 is supposed to have static metadata but the metadata is changed or at least updated approx every 5 minutes causing the PJ to renegotiate and resulting in a video drop out.

This happens about 20 times during a movie.

Not all DV iTunes movies are affected. ... Only some have the dynamic metadata.

I see Linker can insert metadata...but exactly how looks a bit complicated.

This quote from a update page looks like the feature I need "1. GUI option to shut off the HDR infoframe from the output. (GUI as “Disable HDR” Just click that and no HDR infoframe reach the display even though the input has it.)


Edit - I couldn't wait for feedback... Ordered the Linker. It has one job which is to let my ATV4K work with my 4K PJ eliminating drop outs caused by dynamic meta data. If it works it will be my favorite physical thing. If not,.. it goes back. I'll start trying hopefully Wednesday.

P.s. If it has a "heat problem" as some HDFury product has that would be a bonus as it's winter and would it will be living in an unheated basement.


-Brian

Hi Brian,


What you want to do is no problem using Vertex or Integral2, actually they have lot of options for HDR metadata disabling, replacing or on the fly modification, so even if incoming is fluctuating you can output the same one permanently.


If you do that with Linker, it will work, but the problem is that you will have to turn on custom HDR injection everytime there is HDR coming in and turn it off once you are playing SDR again, so it's manual change, while this is all automatic on Vertex/Integral2.


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Ah yes, that's the good way of doing it, glad they updated, it was scary to see all forum and review site publishing leo bodnar measurements.
Linker input lag is less than 1ms in all conditions same for all our devices, only Integral2/Vertex have even lower one (nano second count as we optimized tremendously)
WOW 1ms? That is AMAZING. I'll be recommending the device to many people now that own 1080p consoles and need a external "upscale" solution with little input lag if their own TV's scaling causes too much lag.

How did you test for the added processing time?

HDFury Linker is one of my favourite devices I have ever purchased for my TV so many cool little tricks you can do with it. The only thing is in Australia it sometimes gets very hot and you can feel the HDFury is running at a higher temperature. I was thinking about making a heatsink for it to keep it nice and cool.
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WOW 1ms? That is AMAZING. I'll be recommending the device to many people now that own 1080p consoles and need a external "upscale" solution with little input lag if their own TV's scaling causes too much lag.

How did you test for the added processing time?

HDFury Linker is one of my favourite devices I have ever purchased for my TV so many cool little tricks you can do with it. The only thing is in Australia it sometimes gets very hot and you can feel the HDFury is running at a higher temperature. I was thinking about making a heatsink for it to keep it nice and cool.


We are working on our own lag tester since a while now, soon available with upcoming release of HDfury Diva.

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We are working on our own lag tester since a while now, soon available with upcoming release of HDfury Diva.
Nice!

Will the lag tester work if you purchase it by itself or does it only work in combination with Diva?
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A quick thank you to HD Fury for the information.

I will test with the HD Linker and may upgrade to the Integral or Vertex based on my findings.

Thanks again.

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Nice!

Will the lag tester work if you purchase it by itself or does it only work in combination with Diva?
Only with Diva.

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Does the HDFury Linker use FPGA? The fixed function design is amazing. I ended up opening my one up to look inside and the layout is amazing with top quality SMD work.

The low input lag is a great achievement by your team congrats!
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Does the HDFury Linker use FPGA? The fixed function design is amazing. I ended up opening my one up to look inside and the layout is amazing with top quality SMD work.

The low input lag is a great achievement by your team congrats!

We use ASIC + MCU, not FPGA.
Thank you for the feedback. you can see most of our PCB (for older products, but soon for newer too) here: https://www.hdfury.com/product-categ...sign-for-sale/
HDfury X4 PCB is using FPGA and many others as you can see.
Upcoming Diva have ASIC/MCU/FPGA and others as well.

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I read the Linker has some issue with the type of Dolby Atmos that ATV4K currently uses.

Does this matter if the linker is after the AVR?

If the chain is ATV4K->AVR->Linker->Projector .... then does just the presence of the ATMOS in the signal to the projector represent a problem ?..

In my case the AVR supports Atmos and the Projector does not support DV.
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I read the Linker has some issue with the type of Dolby Atmos that ATV4K currently uses.

Does this matter if the linker is after the AVR?

If the chain is ATV4K->AVR->Linker->Projector .... then does just the presence of the ATMOS in the signal to the projector represent a problem ?..

In my case the AVR supports Atmos and the Projector does not support DV.
If it's after AVR then it's no problem.
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Noob question here! I own a TCL 6 series which has a max brightness at 600-700 nits. The TCL 6 series tone maps HDR up to 4000 nits. I game with an Xbox One X and PS4 Pro. Would any of the HD Fury products aid in maxing out the HDR performance of my TV? Ive read in some gaming forums about injecting HDR metadata at 1000 nits instead of 4000 and that would increase overall performance. Does this make any sense?

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Noob question here! I own a TCL 6 series which has a max brightness at 600-700 nits. The TCL 6 series tone maps HDR up to 4000 nits. I game with an Xbox One X and PS4 Pro. Would any of the HD Fury products aid in maxing out the HDR performance of my TV? Ive read in some gaming forums about injecting HDR metadata at 1000 nits instead of 4000 and that would increase overall performance. Does this make any sense?

Yes many are doing that, for LG TV as well.


The only thing you must be aware is that if you use Linker for such purpose you will have to turn ON Custom HDR metadata injection when you play HDR content manually and you will have to turn it OFF manually when you play SDR content.
If you want this to be automated, then you must use Integral2 or Vertex as they have automatic replacement of incoming HDR metadata.

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Yes many are doing that, for LG TV as well.


The only thing you must be aware is that if you use Linker for such purpose you will have to turn ON Custom HDR metadata injection when you play HDR content manually and you will have to turn it OFF manually when you play SDR content.
If you want this to be automated, then you must use Integral2 or Vertex as they have automatic replacement of incoming HDR metadata.


Thanks for the quick response. I don’t have a PC, I’m a Mac guy. If I purchase the Integral 2
will it be controllable? Also what can I expect in improved HDR performance on my TCL? Would real world HDR brightness increase?


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Thanks for the quick response. I don’t have a PC, I’m a Mac guy. If I purchase the Integral 2
will it be controllable? Also what can I expect in improved HDR performance on my TCL? Would real world HDR brightness increase?


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If TCL react to nits value and if you change nits value (autoreplace) then yes, you will see real world HDR brightness increase, that's the purpose of it (among others)

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My HDFury Linker arrived today,

This is my favorite thing ever.

I have a ATV4K feeding a Denon S730H (I think) AVR and a Sony VW285ES Front Projector. A month ago iTunes started encoding Dolby Vision movies differently and the result was a handshake resulting in video drop out every five minutes.

I fought Apple and Sony and tried to get either one to do something about it and so far there has been no progress (at least no progress delivered to users.)

I put the Fury after the AVR and before the PJ and it works perfectly. I know a step up to Integra2 would do even better but the linker does solve my issue completely. With the ATV4K you can output all signals as HDR and it maps the SDR within that format. This may sound horrible but in practice it works very well. Because of that I can leave the Projector in HDR mode and do one calibration and all content plays back correctly.

Finally I can love my system again. It's a huge Quality of Life increase for me.

Thank You,

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