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HDFury Maestro HDBaseT information and owner's thread

HDFury Maestro HDBaseT solution is now shipping!

Maestro Product Page at HDfury.com
Maestro main features list

@Manni01 has been testing this for the last few weeks.
See his report here:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/37-vi...l#post57695584

From the site:
"State of the art solution for long distance 4K HDR 18Gbps/600MHz transmission via Ethernet cable (HDBaseT)
Support any video and/or audio signal in existence today including LLDV, HLG, HDR10+, DTS:X, ATMOS and more…
Maestro allows any HDMI source (Blu-ray, UHD Blu-ray, media players, satellite receiver, game consoles, PCs, etc.) to be shown on any of the connected displays and any sources Full HDMI audio to be played on ANY AVR."

Some notable new features:
- TMDS/pixel clock switching, sole switch in the world capable of autoswitching sources such as ATV4K, X1X, Shield or any others sources devices who keep sending +5v in standby and that no switcher in the world can autoswitch.
- World first and sole device in the world capable of extracting ARC and especially eARC up to Atmos high bitrate over True HD from capable eARC TV and forward to any AVR input (via 720p/1080p self generated stream)
- World first RS232 editable commands sender based on content type (that's Manni JVC macro open to any RS232 capable display)

For those that don't need the HDBaseT functionality there is another new product: Diva. See link to AVS thread here:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/37-vi...l#post57243306

Video of the HDfury Maestro in action:
HDFury maestro TX RX demo video with OSD

HDFury TX RX IR control demo video with OSD


Some useful links:

First version of user manual

For firmware updates, manuals, API, etc - click on Downloads

***LATEST FIRMWARE***
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This firmware update IS MANDATORY if you use ARC/eARC or if you own a Sony Android TV and have issue in standby as per described here: https://community.sony.de/t5/android-tv/standby-verhalten/td-p/2366762/page/42?nobounce
If any issue, please try to describe setup with all equipment brand/model, length of HDMI cable between them and config export when any issue manifest (Webserver > Config > Config Export)
Add config export as attachment in your post.
######## What's new on RX FW0.40 ########
1. Added Config Import for RX unit.
2. Added RX fix for Sony/Android TV issues in standby.
3. Added RX ARC routines enhanced with the ARC forcing
4. Added RX MAC EDID update
5. Added RX Framework enhancements
######## What's new on TX FW0.43 ########
1. Added latest EARC and ARC changes from DIVA.
2. Added Config Import.
3. Added Fix for Sony/Andoid TV issues in standby.
This version now changes the system to reset upon subsequent updates.
There is no need to reset manually AFTER this. So once this is loaded then if you upload again it will reset itself.
Use export/import feature from now on to save settings. Also the current export does not carry all the variables so user should get a new EXPORT using this updated FW.
Product images and outline spec

OLED screenshots / preorder announced

Pictures of UI

Clarification on DV support over HDBT (Low Latency DV supported at 60Hz, standard DV limited to 24Hz)

ARC / eARC info

Maestro remote control (IP / IR) with Irule
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Having just agonised over which HDBaseT setup to go with for my projector (ended up with an Atlona unit, it's OK I guess) I was really excited to read about a new product from HDFury, which combines HDFury Vertex plus HD-BaseT plus plus functionality... looks very interesting.

I'm particularly interested to understand how it deals with 18gbps content given the current 10gbps limit on HDBaseT links (is it using colour space conversion or visually lossless compression or both?) and can it deal with Dolby Vision above 30Hz - which is problematic I believe for all other HDBaseT devices. Also really looking forward to hearing about release schedule.

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Please confirm that you will be able to edit first post and replace by informations for visitors, otherwise, please someone else willing to do this start a first thread.


There is one thing we will never comment (I'm not allowed to...) it is the tech used for HDbaseT.
Devs was really strict on that one. They said, they invite anyone to make comparison with existing solution and provide comment, review and results.
If they made it, it's because they have something special as they perfectly understand the limitation of current existing solutions.


So whether it is using algo, trick, magic or a mix of all this will remain unknown forever, giving any informations on this subject would bring crucial info to competitors at the same time.
They are confident that it will beat any current solution and that your guys will have hard time finding how it was done, may be we will reveal it once the device life time is expired. In the meantime, only real test and real comparison can talk on this subject.


LLDV 600MHz is supported, no DV 600MHz support currently but it can change with the release of public SDK from Dolby this month.
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Usually, when we start adding graphics to firmware it means release is at the corner.


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.... watching these developments with interest :-)
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Yes waiting for shipping announcement.

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Talking TMDS switching on Maestro

While fine tuning the release firmware, we wanted to make great use of the multiple inputs and worked on an annoying issue that nearly no one else on the market is able to solve.

If you have a X1X or an ATV4K or one of the many STB or others sources working this way, you should know that those devices will continuously send +5V on their outputs and render the classic autoswitching method useless because it relies on +5V state to determine if a source is active or not.
This is why any switches on the market that come with such autoswitching method (99.9% of them) will fail to detect if X1X, ATV4K or any sources that continuously send +5V is really active or not and therefor force you to use manual switching.

Such limitations are now a thing of the past with Maestro as it will autoswitch for any sources no matter if they continuously send +5V or not.

Clever pixel clock frequencies analysis is now permanently running in the background and will auto-determine whenever any connected device is sending any valid signal.
This allow the internal routines to switch to any sources based on real content transmitted. It is an unique feature that is now perfectly working and tested today with X1X and ATV4K.


Stay tuned as we will publish full features list shortly.
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Um, has anyone seen an eta for when the Maestro will come to market? @HDfury , can you humor us?

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Um, has anyone seen an eta for when the Maestro will come to market? @HDfury, can you humor us?

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We hope to ship before Xmas, pre-order will start soon.
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Thanks for the info. I will be watching for the pre-order.
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@HDfury I've been holding out for a 4 port Vertex/Integral 2 (4 inputs - 2 outputs of which one output is for audio only) instead of going for a switcher + Integral 2

However, is this device suitable for above use case since I only have a use for the Central transmitter unit and not for the receiver unit. Ergo, I won't be using HDBaseT

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@HDfury I've been holding out for a 4 port Vertex/Integral 2 (4 inputs - 2 outputs of which one output is for audio only) instead of going for a switcher + Integral 2

However, is this device suitable for above use case since I only have a use for the Central transmitter unit and not for the receiver unit. Ergo, I won't be using HDBaseT
The outline info above seems to suggest yes, you just wouldn't be using the HDBT output or the receiver.
If if can be used in this way sensibly then maybe HDfury might consider selling just the transmitter unit.
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@HDfury I've been holding out for a 4 port Vertex/Integral 2 (4 inputs - 2 outputs of which one output is for audio only) instead of going for a switcher + Integral 2

However, is this device suitable for above use case since I only have a use for the Central transmitter unit and not for the receiver unit. Ergo, I won't be using HDBaseT
You can of course only purchase the main central if what you need is 4 inputs (with TMDS switching !!!), 1 main output full video and 1 special full audio output over 1080p stream.
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You can of course only purchase the main central if what you need is 4 inputs (with TMDS switching !!!), 1 main output full video and 1 special full audio output over 1080p stream.
I assume Maestro is the AV+ device in the comparison on the website? https://www.hdfury.com/comparison/ . In any case, you wouldn't by any chance be looking for beta testers?

One small Q on the audio HDMI-port if you are permitted to share the answer: Does it support HD-audio formats like DTS-HD MA or Dolby TrueHD?
Or does the '1080p' reference imply it will not be supporting HD-audio?


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I assume Maestro is the AV+ device in the comparison on the website? https://www.hdfury.com/comparison/ . In any case, you wouldn't by any chance be looking for beta testers?

One small Q on the audio HDMI-port if you are permitted to share the answer: Does it support HD-audio formats like DTS-HD MA or Dolby TrueHD?
Or does the '1080p' reference imply it will not be supporting HD-audio?


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for your question on comparison page, more likely yes but we have that page up since a while, so I'm not sure all is up to date and matching it, basically we have 3 new devices all with 4 inputs and audio out, so what you see on that comparison can only be one of them, for ex, I'm not sure it mention any HDbaseT yet, while HDbaseT is specific to Maestro only.


However, Maestro is the next one to come out, others are planned for a bit later and not announced yet.


for your question, the audio is the EXACT audio received at the input when source is sending any signal (DV/HLG/HDR/etc... whatever), just video is downscaled on one output going to older AVR so they can accept it.


For beta testers, we pick them up from our customers based on how they report issue. If one have particular skill to report an issue with accuracy and logic, then there is chance we will offer him to beta test next devices.
We can also pick some based on their setup, if they have a particular model/brand device that we are interested in testing.

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Hi,


Since this will be part of the same family as the Vertex/Intergel2 will the scaling engine be the same or will the Maestro offer some improvements?
And I take it the price will be a bit more then the Vertex?
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Since this will be part of the same family as the Vertex/Intergel2 will the scaling engine be the same or will the Maestro offer some improvements?
And I take it the price will be a bit more then the Vertex?
No improvements from Vertex/Integral2, as I wrote to you before, the only improvement will come when we will have time to expose all scaling parameters, it is not real improvement but it will allow anyone to adjust and find the right parameters that match their needs.
Scaling quality is very dependent on content and purpose, retro or gaming have different needs and different taste than scaling for movie.
Exposing all scaling parameters for users to play with might occur only on Maestro and newer device since Vertex/Integral2 have all their memory full already.
Maestro is way more expensive than anything else from us, similar solution on the market are starting from 1000$ while being clearly inferior on all aspects.

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No improvements from Vertex/Integral2, as I wrote to you before, the only improvement will come when we will have time to expose all scaling parameters, it is not real improvement but it will allow anyone to adjust and find the right parameters that match their needs.
Scaling quality is very dependent on content and purpose, retro or gaming have different needs and different taste than scaling for movie.
Exposing all scaling parameters for users to play with might occur only on Maestro and newer device since Vertex/Integral2 have all their memory full already.

Allowing users to modify scaling parameters would be interesting for fine tuning for gaming/graphics in this case.
With that said, I was still trying to get confirmation if your hardware (Maestro) can maintain a 4:4:4 RGB chroma when up-scaling 1080p to 4k?


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4 HDMI inputs on main Central (or Transmitter), one main HDMI out, one Audio out (at 720p or 1080p), LAN connection (for webserver control), RS232, L/R SP/DIF, IR eye, IR sensor input, IR out, IR direct input, RS232 and more...
2 HDMI outputs on RX (or receiver), S/PDIF in from TV, S/PDIF & stereo out, HDMI main out, HDMI 2nd out which can downscale, IR sensor or direct IR in, IR output, 2x LAN (for 2 Tv or TV + other, or any others), HDbase T in, RS232
And of course OLED on both Central and RX.

So HDMI 2nd is for audio output only with black screen or for downscaling 4k source to 720p or 1080p?
And HDMI main out can be passthru of source or upscale to 4k?



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Maestro is way more expensive than anything else from us, similar solution on the market are starting from 1000$ while being clearly inferior on all aspects.

Are there any plans for a discount on the Maestro during the pre-order phase if you purchased a previous product like the Vertex?
There was a similar discount promotion on the Vertex for those that purchased an Integral.
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Allowing users to modify scaling parameters would be interesting for fine tuning for gaming/graphics in this case.
With that said, I was still trying to get confirmation if your hardware (Maestro) can maintain a 4:4:4 RGB chroma when up-scaling 1080p to 4k?

So HDMI 2nd is for audio output only with black screen or for downscaling 4k source to 720p or 1080p?
And HDMI main out can be passthru of source or upscale to 4k?

Are there any plans for a discount on the Maestro during the pre-order phase if you purchased a previous product like the Vertex?
There was a similar discount promotion on the Vertex for those that purchased an Integral.
1st question: It will perform exactly as shown on Vertex thread thru excel spreadsheet tests, which is above than Linker but according to Claw and others, inferior to what an UB900 can offer.
2nd: HDMI 2n on Central unit is for full audio with black frame video. (same as what UHD BR player offers with 2nd HDMI output, just now you have it for any of the 4 sources you can connect at inputs)
3rd: Yes, Main HDMI out can pass thru or upscale.
4th : Yes, more likely !
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1st question: It will perform exactly as shown on Vertex thread thru excel spreadsheet tests, which is above than Linker but according to Claw and others, inferior to what an UB900 can offer.
2nd: HDMI 2n on Central unit is for full audio with black frame video. (same as what UHD BR player offers with 2nd HDMI output, just now you have it for any of the 4 sources you can connect at inputs)
3rd: Yes, Main HDMI out can pass thru or upscale.
4th : Yes, more likely !

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If I recall correctly, you said one time that the Linker will drop 4:4:4 down to 4:2:2 for upscaling 1080p to 4k. But there is no middle ground as far as the Vertex (or Maestro) scaling goes. What I am trying to get a yes or no on is if the hardware capable of maintaining 4:4:4 going from 1080p to 4k when upscaling or not? And I understand you are saying it may be inferior to UB900 and/or other scalers. But the main thing I am trying to find out is if a 1080p/4:4:4 input will stay @ 4:4:4 when upscaling it to 4k (before allowing scaling parameters modifications)?

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If I recall correctly, you said one time that the Linker will drop 4:4:4 down to 4:2:2 for upscaling 1080p to 4k. But there is no middle ground as far as the Vertex (or Maestro) scaling goes. What I am trying to get a yes or no on is if the hardware capable of maintaining 4:4:4 going from 1080p to 4k when upscaling or not? And I understand you are saying it may be inferior to UB900 and/or other scalers. But the main thing I am trying to find out is if a 1080p/4:4:4 input will stay @ 4:4:4 when upscaling it to 4k (before allowing scaling parameters modifications)?

Yes it will, but the fact that you output 4:4:4 does not mean this is preserved during the whole conversion.
I said that Linker is close to 4:2:2 or at 4:2:2 because it is clearly superior to 4:2:0 and does look the same than 4:2:2
Vertex is superior as per excel spreadsheet that was posted showing Linker vs Vertex, so may be it does or may it is close. All I know is that a very good user said that UB900 does it better.
there is no such thing as an easy answer to that, best is to get one and try it and return it if you don't like the upscaled output.
IF that helps upscaling should be similar to what 2017 medium and high range TV are producing. (3000$+)

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I take it there might be some buttons on the unit itself, but is the Maestro going to be like the Vertex as far as you need a GoBlue and a app on phone for config when not connected to computer? Additionally, with Maestro since it seems like only one of the hdmi ports can carry video. So it would not be possible have one output upscale and the other downscale the output (like Vertex can do)? And basically, is the Maestro and improved Vertex+AVR-Key with all or the most of the same functionality or are they meant to compliment each other?



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Yes it will, but the fact that you output 4:4:4 does not mean this is preserved during the whole conversion.)

So it sounds like even if the incoming source is 1080p 4:4:4/RGB there will be some software/hardware color/chroma conversion and interpolation done at some point when it sends out the video upscaled to 4k as "4:4:4/RGB"?


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Exposing all scaling parameters for users to play with might occur only on Maestro and newer device since Vertex/Integral2 have all their memory full already.

Is this definitely going to happen for the Maestro?



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4th : Yes, more likely !.

So before any discounts the price of the HDFury Maestro will be somewhere between $300-$1000 before any promo discounts?

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1st question: It will perform exactly as shown on Vertex thread thru excel spreadsheet tests, which is above than Linker but according to Claw and others, inferior to what an UB900 can offer.
2nd: HDMI 2n on Central unit is for full audio with black frame video. (same as what UHD BR player offers with 2nd HDMI output, just now you have it for any of the 4 sources you can connect at inputs)
3rd: Yes, Main HDMI out can pass thru or upscale.
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I take it there might be some buttons on the unit itself, but is the Maestro going to be like the Vertex as far as you need a GoBlue and a app on phone for config when not connected to computer? Additionally, with Maestro since it seems like only one of the hdmi ports can carry video. So it would not be possible have one output upscale and the other downscale the output (like Vertex can do)? And basically, is the Maestro and improved Vertex+AVR-Key with all or the most of the same functionality or are they meant to compliment each other?

Maestro and all future devices from us, now have a WEBSERVER integrated so once connected to your LAN, you can use any computer or any phone or any webbrowser based device to access it.
If you use only the MAIN CENTRAL, then yes, ONE HDMI VIDEO OUT and ONE HDMI FULL AUDIO OUT, if you use the RX as well, then you also have one UPSCALE PORT and one DOWNSCALE PORT just like VERTEX on the RX device.


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So it sounds like even if the incoming source is 1080p 4:4:4/RGB there will be some software/hardware color/chroma conversion and interpolation done at some point when it sends out the video upscaled to 4k as "4:4:4/RGB"?


Is this definitely going to happen for the Maestro?

Not sure what you mean by that, when incoming signal is 1080p and output is 2160p, then there will be the exact same thing happening than when any mid/high range LG TV 2017 model UPSCALE the signal. no more/no less.




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So before any discounts the price of the HDFury Maestro will be somewhere between $300-$1000 before any promo discounts?

MAESTRO + RX will be approx 1000$, separately about 500$ each


You should not go for Maestro if you don't have need for 4K HDR over HDbaseT, as this is the main point that Maestro will bring to another level never saw by the industry yet.
Of course we cannot prevent anyone from buying the Central alone and use it for 4 inputs and sound extraction as no other device on the market can do TMDS switching over 4 inputs and extract full hdmi audio at the same time.


However there will be other device, not targeting HDbaseT that will offer TMDS switching over 4 inputs, and upscale/downscale port and they will be way cheaper than Maestro. So to save $ you can just wait.

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It couldn’t have been me as I have never owned a UB900. But I have heard that the Panasonic upscaling is excellent.
Ok sorry then, may be my bad memory, or may be you was referring to the OPPO 203 at that time and I mixed things ?


Anyway I think it's pretty easy for anyone to check it, use noscaling and see how display upscale or source upscale and then use scaling and compare with how Vertex can upscale.
if you prefer Vertex upscaling, then let the default setting, if you prefer Display or source upscale, then remove upscaling feature on Vertex and that's it. (this is for the readers and not you claw, as I know that you know ...)

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If you use only the MAIN CENTRAL, then yes, ONE HDMI VIDEO OUT and ONE HDMI FULL AUDIO OUT, if you use the RX as well, then you also have one UPSCALE PORT and one DOWNSCALE PORT just like VERTEX on the RX device.

You should not go for Maestro if you don't have need for 4K HDR over HDbaseT, as this is the main point that Maestro will bring to another level never saw by the industry yet.
Of course we cannot prevent anyone from buying the Central alone and use it for 4 inputs and sound extraction as no other device on the market can do TMDS switching over 4 inputs and extract full hdmi audio at the same time.

However there will be other device, not targeting HDbaseT that will offer TMDS switching over 4 inputs, and upscale/downscale port and they will be way cheaper than Maestro. So to save $ you can just wait.


Anyway I think it's pretty easy for anyone to check it, use noscaling and see how display upscale or source upscale and then use scaling and compare with how Vertex can upscale.
if you prefer Vertex upscaling, then let the default setting, if you prefer Display or source upscale, then remove upscaling feature on Vertex and that's it.
So my specific need is going to be:


1) One or more 4K60 / 1080P60 source devices
2) One 1080P60 output that will go to an input on my Crestron DM matrix switch
3) One 4K60 HDbaseT output that will go to the RX unit located about 75 feet away


Based on what you've said so far, requirements 1 and 3 will be satisfied by the Maestro. For requirement 2, am I correct in assuming that I'll have to use a Vertex between the Maestro HDMI output and the Crestron matrix switch? If so, that's fine as I already have a Vertex around that I'm not using for anything.


Do you have any plans to add a 4K60 matrix switch to your line, preferably with at least 4 inputs, 1 local HDMI, and at least 3 HDbaseT outputs? If so, that would be perfect as it would allow me to completely eliminate the Crestron matrix switch from my system. If the HDbaseT outputs are what drives the cost up, please consider making something modular where the user can purchase the number of HDbaseT outputs that they need for their system. Obviously the maximum size of the matrix also drives the cost up as the total bandwidth needed increases per output.
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So my specific need is going to be:


1) One or more 4K60 / 1080P60 source devices
2) One 1080P60 output that will go to an input on my Crestron DM matrix switch
3) One 4K60 HDbaseT output that will go to the RX unit located about 75 feet away


Based on what you've said so far, requirements 1 and 3 will be satisfied by the Maestro. For requirement 2, am I correct in assuming that I'll have to use a Vertex between the Maestro HDMI output and the Crestron matrix switch? If so, that's fine as I already have a Vertex around that I'm not using for anything.


Do you have any plans to add a 4K60 matrix switch to your line, preferably with at least 4 inputs, 1 local HDMI, and at least 3 HDbaseT outputs? If so, that would be perfect as it would allow me to completely eliminate the Crestron matrix switch from my system. If the HDbaseT outputs are what drives the cost up, please consider making something modular where the user can purchase the number of HDbaseT outputs that they need for their system. Obviously the maximum size of the matrix also drives the cost up as the total bandwidth needed increases per output.

Yes, if you need all 3 points that you have listed and cannot use RX downscale port for 1080p feed to crestron, then you need to put Vertex or Integral2 at Maestro Central output. That's correct.


We don't have further plan yet apart from Maestro regarding HDbaseT, we want to offer the best point to point HDbaseT solution out there and then we will see from there. If people likes it, if sales are good, etc... that will determine our future work in HDbaseT.


We do have other solution in the making that doesn't include HDbaseT, like we have a device with 4 inputs + 1 main output + 1080p SDR output (HDR>SDR on the fly) + Full HDMI Audio out on 720p/1080p + Ambient light + Lag tester + webserver, etc...
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That other device in the making with 4 inputs (without HDbaseT) sounds very very interesting. AFAIK there is nothing on the market like this now. I'll be hawking these forums for an announcement:-)
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I'm also very interested in the non-HDbaseT version that combines the Vertex + HDR>SDR capability. I don't need that today, but will within the next few months, so hopefully this product will be available around the time I need it.
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I'm also very interested in the non-HDbaseT version that combines the Vertex + HDR>SDR capability. I don't need that today, but will within the next few months, so hopefully this product will be available around the time I need it.

Yes it will, it will be called Diva, any future owners wanting to start and maintain a first post for it can do so anytime.


Both Maestro and Diva will now be announced shortly, guys are working nights and days on it.
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@HDfury - is it yet known what the requirements will be for the cable between the HDBaseT transmitter and receiver? As in will CAT6 be required or will CAT5e be fine and will the cable need to be shielded or is a standard unshielded cable fine? I'm on a stay at home vacation this week, so it would be a good opportunity to run a new cable if what I currently have isn't sufficient.
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