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So we're talking hardware here? Interesting. Looking forward to seeing what it is.
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So we're talking hardware here? Interesting. Looking forward to seeing what it is.
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Hopefully it’s not that complicated. Hopefully it supports one or two inputs and one or two outputs.

Maybe a base model that does upscaling and tone mapping only.

Anything more is way past the point of diminishing returns and not needed ... at least for my setup.


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If the device can handle madVR's level of upscaling, then it is powerful enough to do *everything*.

It's like these guys that want a cheap PC. I ask what they'll do and I hear "Oh, I don't need much. I just want to encode video fast and play modern games. That won't be much". It's like if you have a PC that can handle those two tasks well, it's the most powerful PC there is. Same logic applies to tone mapping & upscaling.

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I wonder which way will Madshi go. HTPC components in a highly optimized box (like Xbox One) , or custom SoC with his upscaling and tonemapping algorithms.


Any case, hoping it doesnt cost as much as my projector :-)

Although I totally get that it will be a niche product with a very small addressable market, and fairly high R&D costs, and the Cost of Goods sold.
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Hope it's the latter...
While I don't have any inside info here, logic dictates that he won't scrap his whole code base to go with a custom SoC but instead will want to have his hardware be able to run his Nvidia API based NGU upscaler and tone mapping as simply as possible. My guess is we are looking at some sort of PC based platform with some sort of custom HDMI input hardware, perhaps even running some form of windows on the insides.

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If the device can handle madVR's level of upscaling, then it is powerful enough to do *everything*.

It's like these guys that want a cheap PC. I ask what they'll do and I hear "Oh, I don't need much. I just want to encode video fast and play modern games. That won't be much". It's like if you have a PC that can handle those two tasks well, it's the most powerful PC there is. Same logic applies to tone mapping & upscaling.





While I don't have any inside info here, logic dictates that he won't scrap his whole code base to go with a custom SoC but instead will want to have his hardware be able to run his Nvidia API based NGU upscaler and tone mapping as simply as possible. My guess is we are looking at some sort of PC based platform with some sort of custom HDMI input hardware, perhaps even running some form of windows on the insides.
Would you foresee a final form something like a Lumagen Pro, rack mountable or larger? Smaller?
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Would you foresee a final form something like a Lumagen Pro, rack mountable or larger? Smaller?


I don’t care about form factor. Rack mount would be nice but I’ll make it work in my rack regardless of the form factor. Especially it it gives the same quality as madvr on pc.


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With new nvidia drivers not supporting 3D anymore hopefully the ENVY will support it. If not that might be the deal breaker for me. But I am positiv since madvr does support it and it does not care where it comes from (nvidia with old drivers or amd)

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I don’t care about form factor. Rack mount would be nice but I’ll make it work in my rack regardless of the form factor. Especially it it gives the same quality as madvr on pc.


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Yeah same here. I have plenty of space in my rack :-)


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Do most of you see the Envy as a direct competitor to the Lumagen Radiance Pro? Leaving aside performance, which functions might one of them have that the other will not?

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Do most of you see the Envy as a direct competitor to the Lumagen Radiance Pro? Leaving aside performance, which functions might one of them have that the other will not?
We won't know that until the Envy is actually released, eh ?
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My apologies for the lack of information recently. FYI, I've been working on the Envy 24/7 for several months now, with good progress. I'm getting near to having a beta unit ready. It will be shown behind closed doors to key companies and people only (for now). Depending on how things go I hope to be able to start releasing more detailed info publicly soon...
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We won't know that until the Envy is actually released, eh ?

Anticipation. It's in the thread title. I expect speculation to be a hallmark of any anticipation thread.
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It will be shown behind closed doors to key companies and people only (for now)
Interesting - it almost seems like madshi might be going embedded tech route vs. a standalone product.

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Interesting - it almost seems like madshi might be going embedded tech route vs. a standalone product.
More likely distributors and dealers.
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Interesting - it almost seems like madshi might be going embedded tech route vs. a standalone product.
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More likely distributors and dealers.
Not enough data to know any of this. It could just be a third party funded this and there's an NDA.
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Thats MadVR ENVY looks very interesting...



I hope madshi you will release it this year. :-) I'm really wondering how it will work compare to Lumagen or PC version MadVR.
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Will ENVY also include a Media Player like Kodi, or purely switching and enhancing the video signals?
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Will ENVY also include a Media Player like Kodi, or purely switching and enhancing the video signals?

I dont think there will be some media player, this will works only for enhancing hdmi video signal.
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I'm dying over here.. is this due by the end of the year?

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From what little info we have had in this thread, it sounds like Envy is not going to have a player, it will have at least 1 HDMI input and 1 HDMI output, and it is expected to be released sometime in 2019, priced for the high end theater market (probably like lumagen type pricing). All this info is here in this thread.
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Will ENVY also include a Media Player like Kodi, or purely switching and enhancing the video signals?

That would be a huge mistake, IHMO.


We need video processing hardware to compete with Lumagen. This market can grow with more competitive pricing.

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That would be a huge mistake, IHMO.


We need video processing hardware to compete with Lumagen. This market can grow with more competitive pricing.


But than the problem is, that you still need a HTPC to have a decent media player...

If you use a Shield or something similar you have to live with all the color mapping / chroma upsampling etc problems.

I would love to kill my HTPC for something “stable”, but don’t want to miss the good media player + MadVR capabilities....
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But than the problem is, that you still need a HTPC to have a decent media player...
Sure, but I believe there is a market for DVD player front ends such as Panny UB820. I need one HDMI in and one out. I can play all my Blu with reference processing, all my UHDs with proper tone mapping, and then also have Netflix and Amazon streaming content handled just right. Presumably, there will also be some feature to improve video calibration for the pros such as ChadB.

I'd want maximum effort put into those features.

The HTPC folks already have MadVR software. I need dedicated video processing hardware to compete with Lumagen.

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I think Envy will be a great product but expecting a 2019 launch is very optimistic.

History tell us that every product launch have delay and problems not anticipated in the beginning. Before we see a real beta unit, testing phase and real production. It will take a while... Sometime late in 2020 is more of a realistic target IMHO... Hope I am wrong.
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Lumagen pricing? Yeah no. I’ll stick with a PC then. Although I suppose they will kill the PC product if people can just roll their own or close to it.

I’d say a good price would be $1199 for a 1-2U unit. I don’t need anything besides one HDMI in and one out.
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Lumagen pricing? Yeah no. I’ll stick with a PC then. Although I suppose they will kill the PC product if people can just roll their own or close to it.

I’d say a good price would be $1199 for a 1-2U unit. I don’t need anything besides one HDMI in and one out.
There's no "They" when it comes to the madVR. There's madshi. And madshi already said he's not killing madVR (the pc version). And if he did, it's not like it stops working that day. You'd just grab it and keep using it as it is, which is already exceptional. If you're usage is just playing videos on PC, then by all means you *should* stick with the PC. My guess is the PC version will always be a bit more powerful, have more features, and do things a little better.
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There's no "They" when it comes to the madVR. There's madshi. And madshi already said he's not killing madVR (the pc version). And if he did, it's not like it stops working that day. You'd just grab it and keep using it as it is, which is already exceptional. If you're usage is just playing videos on PC, then by all means you *should* stick with the PC. My guess is the PC version will always be a bit more powerful, have more features, and do things a little better.


The fact that there is no “they” is actually why something will have to give. While he does a great job managing today if the other side takes off it would be reasonable to expect some type of resource decision to be made. I would expect him to make the best “business” decision for him!

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The fact that there is no “they” is actually why something will have to give. While he does a great job managing today if the other side takes off it would be reasonable to expect some type of resource decision to be made. I would expect him to make the best “business” decision for him!
given that the PC build is used to develop the algorithms then killing that piece of software seems like a terrible decision. Obviously that might change years down the line if you have a big enough userbase for the packaged version but that seems like some time away to me.

this ignores the fact the two aren't even competing products, the people who use a lumagen are not generally the people who run a htpc and they're not generally people who would ever pay the money for a lumagen type product (as evidenced by posts in this thread many times over)
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Why not just integrate madvr algorithms into the Lumagen? Personally I would not want another processor in my video chain (and that costs as much).

I would rather prefer the PC solution then...
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