Originally Posted by neo_2009
Wouldn't it be possible to find a business model where everyone could benefit?
Something like having the MadVR HTPC software being available through dealers only, at a reasonable price that would allow the current large madVR base to buy it legally?
New major versions could be released frequently (every year, every two years ???), that would require a new license, or some type of upgrade option?
Could that generate an interesting volume of sales to minimize the loss of potential Envy sales?
Even the Envy users may benefit from that, as it would provide useful feedback to improve the Envy, potentially driving new interesting features ???
Originally Posted by woofer
it would be great if you could offer future features to the HTPC platform ....FOR A FEE..... I think every madVR users would acknowledge its been a "Free Ride" for quite some time, so i ( and i am sure many many others) would glady "Pay" for the privilege of adding new features to the HTPC version when possible..
Originally Posted by markmon1
It seems a lot of consideration here is being given to what to give away on the HTPC version of madVR vs what not to. I don't see these as competing products. If someone has an HTPC and is fully HTPC focused, I doubt that person is going to dump that platform and buy an ENVY. I think your ENVY buyers are folks that need the HDMI input to handle processed video of streaming and those that cannot handle building and configuring an HTPC. Those that are staying with HTPC are users that do not require streaming inputs processed and those that are priced out of ENVY regardless of feature set. The two just aren't competing. Therefore, your distributors shouldn't care what you do with madVR.
Originally Posted by zombie10k
That's a great idea. The majority of HTPC users seeking the top stand out features of MadVR are already using Nvidia cards and waiting to hear if the software will utilize the tensor cores. I would buy a 2080Ti tomorrow + a commercial license if those feature become available. sell the license through the envy distributors and dealers.
there is a large user base all over the world providing valuable feedback and helping fine tune the product with HSTM being the most recent topic. imo that would be a loss if the HTPC community willing to pay for a commercial product wouldn't have the chance to provide that feedback on next gen algorithms.
If it does become a commercial product for the HTPC, future Envy owners will be thankful that this dedicated DIY community exists.
I mostly agree with you guys, but recently one of our distributors told me that their Lumagen sales went through the floor when a local company started selling commercial madVR HTPCs (which isn't really what madVR was intended to be used for, btw). So although I think that the madVR HTPC software is not really competing with the Envy, we do need to carefully consider what to do. I'm in your camp, but I can't just brush off my business partner and all the distributors and dealers. But to be honest, atm we're so focused on (finally) bringing the Envy to market, that we're not really having a lot of headspace left to discuss the HTPC software. There will be a time for that later.
Originally Posted by skylarlove1999
The lack of communication from a company attempting to roll out a product is disturbing. Honestly my neighbor's son's lemonade stand had better communication , sales and marketing than this product.
If we did active marketing right now, we would only annoy people because Envy is not on the market yet. If we had known in advance how long it would take to bring Envy to market, we would have kept it a secret much longer. At this point we're limiting communication, sales and marketing simply because we're not selling yet. Things will change when we're ready.
Originally Posted by blake
Do we have even an estimate on date of Envy full release ?
As soon as our beta testers tell us it's ready. Just yesterday W.Mayer asked me when we would start sales because he's happy with his Envy right now (see his latest post on the dci forum, not sure if I'm allowed to post a direct link). But there are still some things that need work, so we will wait just a little bit longer. Well, "wait" is the wrong word, it sounds passive. I'm very actively working on this 24/7, seriously.
Originally Posted by blake
Is the remote control for the Envy IR or RF? Many of us will have the video processor is a separate room.
It's IR+RF, and the RF works pretty well even through (light) walls. However, I would assume that most users who have the video processor in a separate room will use some sort of automation system (Crestron, RTI etc)? Envy will have IP control.
Originally Posted by woofer
It feels more like a classified mission than mia to me...
Originally Posted by jetsen
Well, I can tell you that I have been testing hours and hours with the new toy, even got a few people over that wanted to have a first hand demo.
all of them where impressed with the extra value that the Envy brings to the table, I wont make the mistake again by posting pictures, been there done that not a good idea :-)
But all I can tell you is that the Envy brings the HDR viewing to another level where you can enjoy and appreciate what the madVR team has been putting together.
I know a lot of you are impatient, I guess that's normal, but the wait will be worth it and every day that goes by Matthias is tweaking and improving the very last details.
Originally Posted by *Mori*
At the moment I am not interested to see any more pictures but to hear any comments for the differences between madVR from PC versus Envy. I understand that the Envy is able to use its hardware resources in a smart and automated way - something the PC software doensn't do. I have a highend PC (incl. 2080 Ti ) and so I don't have too much restrictions in my view. I wonder how the processing of an Envy Pro (the smaller version) compares to a highend PC. Maybe the cheaper Envy can do DTM incl HSTM and some other modest processing as good (or at least nearly as good) as a highend PC. That would be great of course for potential customers. I hope to hear any comments from testers about that soon.
Well, at 4K24, currently there's not much (if anything) the Pro model has to give up compared to the Extreme. At least right now. Of course in the long run the Extreme will have more room to get more algorithms added in the future, or to run new algos at very high quality settings. E.g. if you're a fan of motion interpolation (or one of the other planned future algos), you may have to go with the Extreme. Or if you want highest quality at 4K60, the Extreme should be a worthy upgrade, as well. Although of course the Pro model will render beautiful 4K60 HDR, as well.
Originally Posted by catav
I'm a madVR-HTPC die-hard, but Envy might change my thinking. I'm just curious how it compares to madVR on a PC.
Originally Posted by hockyAVS
As stated before even by madshi himself, at the moment the Envy are mostly based on the same code, so picture quality is more or less identical between the two solutions.
This might change in the future as the Envy software gets new algoriths that probably won´t go into madVR.
However, the Envy automatically provides the optimal settings, whereas for madVR, the users have to fiddle them out for themselves (and probably get non-optimal results).
Well, not necessarily the same "code", but at least the same algorithms. Whether or not new algos will go into the madVR HTPC software (and with which quality levels) is not decided yet.