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Audiophile Rookie. Need a starter headset

Hey all,

I realized that I've been selling myself short on my daily music experiences.


I listen to music on my daily commute weekdays and would like to up my headphone quality significantly. Currently I own a pair of $34 Sony noise cancelling headphones.

Here is what I use and what I am looking for.


- Android phone.

- Listen to different music types (rock, rap, electronic, reggae.. etc.)

- Closed earphones since I will use them primarily on the train and don't want to disturb folks around me.

- Looking for rich clarity in sound with some bumping bass.

- My limit would be around $175 but I definitely don't mind spending less :-)



Thank you in advance for any advice or recommendations given.
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My picks for <$200-

PSB M4U1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Been a PSB speaker fan ~20 years and currently run PSB T2 towers in my home theater, so I bought the M4U1's as my first PSB cans.

Don't regret it a bit- outstanding sound and great external sound isolation.

Awesome deal for $85 used
https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...&condition=all

Add an external BT adapter like

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

or

https://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Exp...dp_ob_title_ce

and you are good to go wired or wireless.

The M4U1's have a stereo 3.5mm input on both ears, ie you can have the wire or BT adapter connected to either ear as needed/preference.
Clip or velcro BT adapter to headband/earpiece flat.

Another option Shure SRH840
https://www.amazon.com/Shure-SRH840-...tronics&sr=1-2
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Best to try out headphones for fit and sound preference- some complain about the PSB earpads opening not being large enough for their ears- fit me fine.

Ability to try/test and return if needed is required.
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When you said AUDIOPHILE HEADSETS, my recommendations would be restricted to either 1) Electrostatic's (very expensive) or 2) Planar Magnetics (much more affordable ). Both of them use a large, light weight mylar film as the ONLY moving part, suspended between either 1) High Voltage Electrostatic Plates or 2) an Array of Magnets. This ensures that they have lightning fast Transient Response with low distortion....and in the case of SOME Planar Magnetic types: Sensitivity high enough to work with IOS/Android Devices without a Headphone Amp....such as fol. inexpensive HIFIMAN Edition S that is convertible between Open and Closed Back [although I wonder how well THAT compromise works....my HIFIMAN 400i model is Open Back]:
https://www.amazon.com/HIFIMAN-Close.../dp/B01DZQT9UM [Exceptional Sensitivity=113 dB SPL with 1-mW Input]
http://hifiman.com/products/detail/257


And when you become a P-M BELIEVER, you might be interested in a (perhaps) more expensive model for home use...esp. the preferred Open Back type specifically designed for that purpose:
https://www.soundmaximum.com/best-pl...tic-headphones
https://www.audioreputation.com/plan...tic-headphones

Pros & Cons re P-M Headsets:
https://www.innerfidelity.com/conten...eadphones-work
https://www.audioreputation.com/what...tic-headphones

Pros & Cons re Open vs Closed Back Headsets: [Obviously you would want Closed for Mobile Use]
https://www.lifewire.com/differences...phones-4135434
https://www.audioadvice.com/content/...ack-headphones
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Definitely stick to noise cancelling over ears or in ears if they're for the train.
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Sennheiser HD25’s. I’ve been using the same pair for 20 years and they’ve seen countless stages, DJ booths, recording studios, name it from coast to coast. They sound as good as they did when I got them. And they’ve seen hundreds of thousands of watts.
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I like the HiFi Man Edition S so much that I bought a second pair- can be had for less than $100 used/open box.

Only reason they have bad reviews and price was discounted is headband cracking issue- 2 part epoxy could fix that, though I have no issue to date.

I suspect those with the headband issue are bending it too much and/or not being careful how they pack it in their carryon/backback when storing and moving.

Outstanding sound quality vs discounted price, and they fit my largish head perfectly, as well as ears. They work circumaural for me.

Don't know how well they will isolate external sound with the backs on- I use them open back
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My picks for <$200-

PSB M4U1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Been a PSB speaker fan ~20 years and currently run PSB T2 towers in my home theater, so I bought the M4U1's as my first PSB cans.

Don't regret it a bit- outstanding sound and great external sound isolation.

Awesome deal for $85 used
https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...&condition=all

Add an external BT adapter like

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

or

https://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Exp...dp_ob_title_ce

and you are good to go wired or wireless.

The M4U1's have a stereo 3.5mm input on both ears, ie you can have the wire or BT adapter connected to either ear as needed/preference.
Clip or velcro BT adapter to headband/earpiece flat.

Another option Shure SRH840
https://www.amazon.com/Shure-SRH840-...tronics&sr=1-2

Thank you RGB. I will take your advice and try out these headphones (assuming they have them) at B&H which lets you plug in your phone to each pair of display headphones they have.

I see that the SRH840 have gotten all around excellent reviews while the PSB have gotten good reviews aside from what you mentioned with people saying that the headphone broke. But it sounds like you prefer the PSB's. Would you prefer them on a noisy train?
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Would you prefer them on a noisy train?
Look at the isolation graphs. Passive over ears dont isolate nearly as well as in ears or noice cancelling headphones for constant noise like planes, trains, loud fans etc.

Passive Over Ears:
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/PSBM4U1.pdf

In Ears
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/ShureSE535.pdf

Noice Cancelling
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/...lessActive.pdf
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When you said AUDIOPHILE HEADSETS, my recommendations would be restricted to either 1) Electrostatic's (very expensive) or 2) Planar Magnetics (much more affordable ). Both of them use a large, light weight mylar film as the ONLY moving part, suspended between either 1) High Voltage Electrostatic Plates or 2) an Array of Magnets. This ensures that they have lightning fast Transient Response with low distortion....and in the case of SOME Planar Magnetic types: Sensitivity high enough to work with IOS/Android Devices without a Headphone Amp....such as fol. inexpensive HIFIMAN Edition S that is convertible between Open and Closed Back [although I wonder how well THAT compromise works....my HIFIMAN 400i model is Open Back]:
https://www.amazon.com/HIFIMAN-Close.../dp/B01DZQT9UM [Exceptional Sensitivity=113 dB SPL with 1-mW Input]
http://hifiman.com/products/detail/257


And when you become a P-M BELIEVER, you might be interested in a (perhaps) more expensive model for home use...esp. the preferred Open Back type specifically designed for that purpose:
https://www.soundmaximum.com/best-pl...tic-headphones
https://www.audioreputation.com/plan...tic-headphones

Pros & Cons re P-M Headsets:
https://www.innerfidelity.com/conten...eadphones-work
https://www.audioreputation.com/what...tic-headphones

Pros & Cons re Open vs Closed Back Headsets: [Obviously you would want Closed for Mobile Use]
https://www.lifewire.com/differences...phones-4135434
https://www.audioadvice.com/content/...ack-headphones

holl_ands - you got me pretty excited to try these out. Like I said, I'm strictly listening outside and on the train. So if the closed back translate well, then it could be worth it. Thank you though, I appreciate the lesson and I'm going to see if I can try to listen to a pair.
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Definitely stick to noise cancelling over ears or in ears if they're for the train.

Thank you bdht. Do you have a preferred choice of noise cancelling headphones? Would it be the BoseQuietComfort35 from 3 graphs you sent?
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Thank you TommyDevito. I'll give these a try as well.
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Thank you bdht. Do you have a preferred choice of noise cancelling headphones? Would it be the BoseQuietComfort35 from 3 graphs you sent?
The Bose and Sony's seem to best, with maybe an edge to the sony's(wh-1000xm3). These should be easier to test out in a store if you're able. PSB has an ANC headphone, the M4U8. AKG and Sennheiser make some good ANC sets as well
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The Bose and Sony's seem to best, with maybe an edge to the sony's(wh-1000xm3). These should be easier to test out in a store if you're able. PSB has an ANC headphone, the M4U8. AKG and Sennheiser make some good ANC sets as well

I was B&H and the guy literally said what you said, "The Bose and Sony's seem to best, with maybe an edge to the sony's(wh-1000xm3)." then I looked down at my phone, and you said it.

Tried them both and yeah, they sound great. I dont know how to settle which sounds better. Bose seemed more comfortable on my head.
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If you plan to go active NC, PSB does those too, M4U 8

http://www.psbspeakers.com/products/...U-8-Headphones

https://www.amazon.com/PSB-M4U-Cance.../dp/B078HSCGMC

Reviewed on avs

https://www.avsforum.com/psb-m4u-8-w...ng-headphones/

Can be had used/open box auction sites for ~$150 or so.

New for ~$200- I just scored a new open box for $200 yesterday.
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Bose seemed more comfortable on my head.
comforts equally as important as sound quality with headphones. they dont sound like anything if you dont want to wear them ;]
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comforts equally as important as sound quality with headphones. they dont sound like anything if you dont want to wear them ;]
Correct- need to listen for at least the length of your favorite album to determine fit/comfort.
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If you plan to go active NC, PSB does those too, M4U 8

http://www.psbspeakers.com/products/...U-8-Headphones

https://www.amazon.com/PSB-M4U-Cance.../dp/B078HSCGMC

Reviewed on avs

https://www.avsforum.com/psb-m4u-8-w...ng-headphones/

Can be had used/open box auction sites for ~$150 or so.

New for ~$200- I just scored a new open box for $200 yesterday.

How did you get them new for $200? Ebay?
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Correct- need to listen for at least the length of your favorite album to determine fit/comfort.
Good tip broski.
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How did you get them new for $200? Ebay?
EBay.

Look at Sold (Completed) prices, shows sold/closed prices for used/new

Mine were listed at $250 or Make Offer.

Made the $200 offer after looking over Sold prices.
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Good tip broski.
YOu shouldn't feel the need to take them off after the album, ie be able to wear them almost indefinitely, or at least 3-4 hrs

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So far, I was able to listen to the following.


Senheisers hd25 - sounded real good and were light and comfortable.

Shure - SRH840 - sound was good, wasnt a fan of how they fit though.

Bose Comfort - sounded great, fit comfy and soft

Sony wh1000xm3 - sounded frickin cool. fit was slightly less comfy than bose but it wasnt bad fitting. the guy at b&h told me these are made a little better than the bose as far as the parts go.

They didnt have any PSB's or HIFIman headphones to try out unfortunately.


Then I asked the guy what would his recommendation for noise cancelling under 200. He recommended the V-Moda Crossfade LP2. I gave these a listen and they seemed pretty good. Loud, good bass, fit my head well. The sound is definitely not as good as the bose or sony's but still good.
Have you guys had any experience with these headphones?
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YOu shouldn't feel the need to take them off after the album, ie be able to wear them almost indefinitely, or at least 3-4 hrs

That makes sense. Thanks RGB.
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EBay.

Look at Sold (Completed) prices, shows sold/closed prices for used/new

Mine were listed at $250 or Make Offer.

Made the $200 offer after looking over Sold prices.

Gotcha.

I was real close to making an offer on those Sony's last week. Could've had a new pair for 225.

I hadnt done the research yet though so I figured to wait.
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I dont like the vmodas at all... and the measurements show why http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/...ossfadeLP2.pdf

sure they have low frequency extension, but theres a 15db difference between 500hz and 3khz, a complete suckout at 6khz, and 0 high frequency extension. and what mid range and treble there is the performance is poor, ringing and unresolving, poor imaging, no soundstage.

About all thats good for is listening to 30hz synthesized bass lines and even then... if you look at the 30hz square wave you can see performance is poor compare it to something like this with perfect bass performance. http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/...23021Fazer.pdf

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I do NOT believe the Frequency Response Curves shown in InnerFidelity Measurements....fol. examples ALL show a severe [fictitious] LOSS above 10 kHz, likely due to the MEASUREMENT System....which is likely ALSO injecting the RINGING you see in the Square Wave Tests:

https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/PSBM4U1.pdf [Closed Back, $155 on Amazon]
https://www.innerfidelity.com/images...NHE4002014.pdf [Open Back P-M, HE400i is $179 on Amazon]
https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/HiFiMANHE400S.pdf [Open Back P-M, $210 on Amazon]
https://www.innerfidelity.com/images...iredActive.pdf [Noise Cancelling, "Wall of Fame", $350 on Amazon]
https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/ShureSRH1540.pdf [Closed Back, InnerFidelity's "Wall of Fame", $499]
https://www.innerfidelity.com/images...nsnACXB168.pdf [Closed Back, InnerFidelity's "Wall of Fame", P-M, $799]
https://www.innerfidelity.com/images...23021Fazer.pdf [Closed Back P-M, $899 on Amazon]
https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AKGN90QNominal.pdf [Noise Cancelling, "Wall of Fame", $1500]
https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/HiFiMANHE1000.pdf [Open Back P-M, $2500 on Amazon]

https://www.innerfidelity.com/headphone-measurements
https://www.innerfidelity.com/conten...ver-ear-sealed
https://www.innerfidelity.com/conten...oise-canceling
https://www.innerfidelity.com/conten...-over-ear-open
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I dont like the vmodas at all... and the measurements show why http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/...ossfadeLP2.pdf

sure they have low frequency extension, but theres a 15db difference between 500hz and 3khz, a complete suckout at 6khz, and 0 high frequency extension. and what mid range and treble there is the performance is poor, ringing and unresolving, poor imaging, no soundstage.

About all thats good for is listening to 30hz synthesized bass lines and even then... if you look at the 30hz square wave you can see performance is poor compare it to something like this with perfect bass performance. http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/...23021Fazer.pdf

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I hear you. Thanks for the opinion.

Like I said, they didn't sound great, but they were loud.

I also think that after hearing the Bose and the Sony's that I couldn't go for headphones that don't have the highs and mediums with their own workspace. Every instrument and sound on them felt placed perfectly in it's own area.
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I do NOT believe the Frequency Response Curves shown in InnerFidelity Measurements....fol. examples ALL show a severe [fictitious] LOSS above 10 kHz, likely due to the MEASUREMENT System....which is likely ALSO injecting the RINGING you see in the Square Wave Tests:
NOPE, you are INCORRECT, sir. ;] I'm no TYLLOPHILE, but his MEASUREMENTS have always been the MOST accurate for ME when playing back a FREQUENCY sweep.

Ok enough joking, so... I have the 400i, they have that small dip at 10-15khz and then good extension to 20khz and a ring due to the under damped backwave, but not ringing.

The 1540s have pretty smooth extension to 20khz albiet rolled off and 5db below the midrange, no ringing.

The lcd2 basically measured flat to 20khz, no ringing

The aeons are extended and rolled off to 20khz similar to the 400i and shure

The he1000 are flat to 20khz with some ringing.

In any case all measurements, tylls included, should be used as a reference and not objective fact, with an understanding that over 5khz things get wonky on any test system.

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Thank you bdht. Do you have a preferred choice of noise cancelling headphones? Would it be the BoseQuietComfort35 from 3 graphs you sent?

TIFWIW, but a pair of Sennheiser HD1's checks a lot of your boxes, IMO, *except* it blows your budget up by a fairly wide (50%+) margin... I love the way they look and feel, and their sound signature definitely leans towards a "fun" (bumped up) low end (which is what i'm interpretting your OP as preferring) and a little bit of a rolled off high end (which is definitely my preference for long-term-listening and to avoid fatigue). And they're implementation of ANC is a little more relaxed; not as aggressive of a *hiss*, which is also my preference.



But they're well beyond your prescribed budget, and budgets are a real thing, so purely "FYI"... I own four pairs of Sennheisers (PC-37X gaming headset, PC-200-II foldable small footprint "bag" set, and HD-6XX amplifier-needed critical listening headset); they're probably my favorite headphone brand.



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I like the HiFi Man Edition S so much that I bought a second pair- can be had for less than $100 used/open box.

Only reason they have bad reviews and price was discounted is headband cracking issue- 2 part epoxy could fix that, though I have no issue to date.

I suspect those with the headband issue are bending it too much and/or not being careful how they pack it in their carryon/backback when storing and moving.

Outstanding sound quality vs discounted price, and they fit my largish head perfectly, as well as ears. They work circumaural for me.

Don't know how well they will isolate external sound with the backs on- I use them open back

This is part of what is so fun/fascinating about this hobby. Purely "TIFWIW," but I own a pair of Edition S's too (bought *new* for about $125, approximately a year ago), and I genuinely don't care for them. They get almost zero use anymore. And I also don't really like my pair of HE-4XX's, either... both tend to get a little fatiguing/aggressive for me (without any DSP applied) on the high end. But I do believe I'm in the minority with regard to not having a particularly strong opinion/good impression of HiFiMan products; they're very popular. I think their sound signature maybe just isn't for me.
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[QUOTE=psuKinger;57777132]TIFWIW, but a pair of Sennheiser HD1's checks a lot of your boxes, IMO, *except* it blows your budget up by a fairly wide (50%+) margin... I love the way they look and feel, and their sound signature definitely leans towards a "fun" (bumped up) low end (which is what i'm interpretting your OP as preferring) and a little bit of a rolled off high end (which is definitely my preference for long-term-listening and to avoid fatigue). And they're implementation of ANC is a little more relaxed; not as aggressive of a *hiss*, which is also my preference.



But they're well beyond your prescribed budget, and budgets are a real thing, so purely "FYI"... I own four pairs of Sennheisers (PC-37X gaming headset, PC-200-II foldable small footprint "bag" set, and HD-6XX amplifier-needed critical listening headset); they're probably my favorite headphone brand.


Thanks for the recomendation psuKinger. But I looked them up and they're only 149.99. That's not bad at all. Did I find the wrong set?
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