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Headphones (wired or wireless or BT) for movies and netflix BUT.... Buttkickers too

  • LG C8 65" TV
  • Denon 4500H receiver - set up in 11 ch ATMOS Klipsch and Sunfire
  • PC - nvidia 1050ti 4GB in the HTPC (mITX so any external soundcard has to be USB)
  • Inuke 3000 DSP running 2 x Buttkickers
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Also I can use as I already have

SVS wireless soundpath links https://www.svsound.com/products/sou...-audio-adapter

Schiit stack Modi 3 and Magni Heresy
Creative Sound Blaster X3 with SXFI THEATER
Sennheiser RS 185 wireless headphones

Hifiman 4XX
Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro 250 ohms
Sennheiser HD6XX 600 ohms


Happy to add, change, buy new, (headphone amp, cables, headphones, external soundcards etc) whatever I need to do.

Q - I would like to watch movies at night without annoying the gf or the neighbours (paper thin walls)

What is the best solution?

It would be nice to have;

A - The best experience when I am alone, using headphones and have the buttkickers also running.

B - Headphones for me and NON headphones for the gf, she has super hearing so if we watch something together she finds my volume level too loud. I am happy to use headphones and she can use the TV or Denon amp.


I can do wired or wireless.

Total budget is $1000 AUD, but would prefer to spend $500 AUS

The HTPC has movies on it, can do Netflix etc too.

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I don't see an easy way for you to use the buttkickers with headphones unless you are running an external amp with the Denon, then that is easy as pie..
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Sound Blaster X3 - fake surround for the headphones
https://au.creative.com/p/sound-blas...und-blaster-x3

I am thinking PC > X3 > SVS Wireless Transmit to SVS Wireless receiver > Headphone Amplifier > Headphones

Inuke 3000 DSP running 2 x Buttkickers - plugged into DENON 4500

Would this work?

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Hmm... so just headphones and shakers for 1 first...

I'm guessing the AVR sub preout is connected to the SVS wireless transmitter? That's where it's going to get tricky... As you'll need to use some type of switch to go back and forth between the multichannel system and the headphone system.

Since you're using a PC, you have quite a few options.

One way to get audio to both the headphones and the shakers is to use an optical splitter. However, before the shakers amplifier you'd need to add a dac, I think the inuke has a crossover?

You could split the analog signal to the headphone amplifier and the inuke but I don't know that I'd recommend that.

The last option is to use vb-audios voicemeter and duplicate the signal out of the pc.

Voicemeter might be your best option for using both headphones and the mutli channel system at the same time as well.
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I think he's trying to send processed audio wirelessly from the X3 to a separate and more powerful headphone amp if I'm not mistaken. I think the Soundpath wireless system should work for that purpose.

I would think you could do PC > X3, then use the sub line out on the X3 to your inuke for the bass shakers.

The tricky part is integrating it with the AVR. That part I'm not too sure about.
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I also purchased RS Wireless Headphone Series RS 185

https://en-au.sennheiser.com/rs-185

BUT

Would this be better than the Soundblaster x3?

GSX 1200 PRO Sennheiser

https://www.eposaudio.com/en/au/gami...plifier-507080
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I would think you could do PC > X3, then use the sub line out on the X3 to your inuke for the bass shakers.
I dont think you can use both the headphone amplifier of the x3 and the line out at the same time.

Also you wouldnt want the crossover to affect the headphones.

Gonna have to split the signal somewhere and let the inuke handle the crossover.

Ive used analog splitters, optical splitters, and voicemeter to run headphones with virtual surround sound and bass shakers at the same time, for music as well as movies/games. Adding the shakers to binaural stereo has a profound effect on externalization and immersion.
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I also purchased RS Wireless Headphone Series RS 185 https://en-au.sennheiser.com/rs-185 BUT Would this be better than the Soundblaster x3? GSX 1200 PRO Sennheiser https://www.eposaudio.com/en/au/gami...plifier-507080
Since you're using a PC, start with Waves NX.

https://www.waves.com/nx/apps

This will allow you to use any amplifier and for significantly cheaper than the sennheiser. Using an external device for the binaural rendering would also require voicemeter to split the signal to a separate usb dac for the shakers.

One chain could look like this:

PC > USB to Optical converter > Optical Splitter

Split 1: Optical Dac > Headphone Amplifier

Split 2: Optical Dac > Inuke

Or,

PC > USB Dac > Analog splitters

Split 1: Headphone Amplifier

Split 2: Inuke

Or,

PC using Voicemeter >

Split 1: USB Dac > Headphone Amplifier

Split 2: USB Dac > Inuke

I'm not a huge fan of analog splitters though as you create an interconnected chain of electrical devices that raises impendence of current leakage loops and halves input impedence on the amplifiers. Much better results splitting a digital optical connection or if you have the processing power using voicemeter to duplicate the signal in the PC.

My main system uses Darin Fong's Out of Your Head for binaural processing, Equalizer APO for equalization, Voicemeter to duplicate the signal
Split 1: USB Dac > Headphone Amplifier
Split 2: USB Dac > Active Crossover > analog equalizer > tactile transducer amplifier
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OH WOW

I have waves and the Bluetooth dongle too.
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Perhaps a most basic approach might be to use the zone 2 output from the X4500 through a Dayton BSA200 inputs and then output to a headphone amp or BT tx. The BSA200 would drive the buttkickers.
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Perhaps a most basic approach might be to use the zone 2 output from the X4500 through a Dayton BSA200 inputs and then output to a headphone amp or BT tx. The BSA200 would drive the buttkickers.
That's interesting that you can daisy chain those amplifiers. But what about a crossover? You'd be sending a full range binaural stereo signal out of the AVR
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That's interesting that you can daisy chain those amplifiers. But what about a crossover? You'd be sending a full range binaural stereo signal out of the AVR

That device has an adjustable crossover on the front from 50-200hz.
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That device has an adjustable crossover on the front from 50-200hz.
I see! That's great, what a nice simple option. Just need a headphone amplifier and a pair of headphones then. Aware of any cheaper amplifiers with that functionality?
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Aware of any cheaper amplifiers with that functionality?

I am not, but I haven't really looked all that hard. Not sure you will find anything comparable to the Dayton for less money than a Dayton. Seems like it fit the price requirement for the OP. I can't really vouch for it, but I had planned to try it for much the same reason as the OP.



The nice thing is you can wire this up the same way and have the transducers running when you aren't using the headphone. Then when you just want headphones and transducers you output to zone 2 only.
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I am not, but I haven't really looked all that hard. Not sure you will find anything comparable to the Dayton for less money than a Dayton. Seems like it fit the price requirement for the OP. I can't really vouch for it, but I had planned to try it for much the same reason as the OP.
Ya that's true, a decently powerful amplifier, built-in crossover, line out with splitter function, pretty decently priced. Great piece of equipment, thanks man

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The nice thing is you can wire this up the same way and have the transducers running when you aren't using the headphone. Then when you just want headphones and transducers you output to zone 2 only.
I think I'm tired, how would this work? You have the AVRs zone 2 preout connected to the dayton, but how would it catch the sub channel when using the multichannel system?
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You have the AVRs zone 2 preout connected to the dayton, but how would it catch the sub channel when using the multichannel system?

Main and zone 2 are getting the same audio. Zone 2 is running the transducers from the Dayton amp with the crossover.
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Main and zone 2 are getting the same audio.
Hmm... So say it downmixes a 7.1 track and outputs the whole mix in stereo through zone 2, and not just the front l/r channels?
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Hmm... So say it downmixes a 7.1 track and outputs the whole mix in stereo through zone 2, and not just the front l/r channels?

It's unlikely my butt is an audiophile.


Joking aside I'm sure its not a perfect solution, butt its getting you tactile and headphones. For the price it's something I'm comfortable trying with an open mind. If the price wasn't important I'd say get an A16 Realiser. It has tactile out.



My personal requirement is keeping the system simple enough that my family members can chose to listen to headphones with transducers in the theater changes without fumbling around changing sources etc. If I use zone two for headphones and tactile the only thing you have to do is mute main. My circle is probably more than happy to simply watch without disturbing anyone. Giving up a little audio perfection is probably ok. That said if the tactile in this config is annoying then adding a little more complexity to the hookups can fix it.
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My question was mostly wondering if zone 2 is getting the LFE channel
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My question was mostly wondering if zone 2 is getting the LFE channel

I understood. I guess how much LF is in the outputs for zone 2 is dependent on the AVR. I think on the OP's x4500H it has right and left for zone 2 and 3. In this case whatever is present will be processed by the BSA to the crossover you set on the unit.


Again, I don't think this is the ideal approach, but it meets the price point and I think it helps keep the complexity of connections down and will likely not introduce any sort of sync problems that might come up if the significant other is watching main and the OP is watching with headphones processed through multiple steps.
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will likely not introduce any sort of sync problems that might come up if the significant other is watching main and the OP is watching with headphones processed through multiple steps.
Oh that's a great point too! I was trying to think how that would work, using the multichannel and headphone system simultaneously, decoding on the pc and using voicemeter? massive latency issues... very cool
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I have grabbed some more gear, listed below

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This is amazing, thank you all do far.

This is what I have purchased recently (due to the comments)

Not sure how to make it all work though, but at least I have the gear

LG C8 65" TV
Denon 4500H receiver - set up in 11 ch ATMOS Klipsch and Sunfire Sub HRS8
PC - nvidia 1050ti 4GB in the HTPC (mITX so any external soundcard has to be USB)
Inuke 3000 DSP running 2 x Buttkickers
3 x SVS wireless soundpath links https://www.svsound.com/products/sou...-audio-adapter
Schiit stack Modi 3 and Magni Heresy
Creative Sound Blaster X3 with SXFI THEATER
Sennheiser RS 185 wireless headphones
Hifiman 4XX
Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro 250 ohms
Sennheiser HD6XX 600 ohms
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Perhaps a most basic approach might be to use the zone 2 output from the X4500 through a Dayton BSA200 inputs and then output to a headphone amp or BT tx. The BSA200 would drive the buttkickers.
Wouldn't my inuke be better for this?
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Wouldn't my inuke be better for this?

Probably? Maybe?



Split the output from zone 2 to iNuke and headphone amp or transmitter then?
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If it helps my plan is:


Marantz 6014 zone 2 > BSA200 with Aura Pro shakers > BT5 transmitter


I'm going with this transmitter because it supports two headsets and has volume control. That gives flexibility to use airpods and such if needed down the road.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07TLHRPDP


I have a few Bluetooth receivers for wired headphones:


https://www.fiio.com/btr5
https://earstudio.store/products/es100


There are a lot of options for receivers though. I may pick up one of these less expensive ones for my kid so she can use her favorite headphones and cheap earbuds from the basket of discards:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07Y1ZTLR4


The key for the bluetooth is to get the aptx low latency support to avoid sync issues.
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