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Oh man, if iTunes put up 4K HDR versions of Game of Thrones ...
My guess is that HBO will wait until Christmas 2018 and release a UHD Seasons 1 - 7 Box Set to set the stage leading up to the final season in 2019.

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Can you download purchased iTunes movies to a NAS and stream to ATV?
I'm not sure if the Infuse App on ATV would work or not. You could stream via Home Sharing, but the only issue with that is you would need a PC or Mac running at the same time. You need a PC/Mac running at the same time to point your files to the NAS you are using since Home Sharing won't recognize a NAS. Plex isn't an option since it won't play DRM protected iTunes content.
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My guess is that HBO will wait until Christmas 2018 and release a UHD Seasons 1 - 7 Box Set to set the stage leading up to the final season in 2019.

Game of Thrones UHD w/4K, HDR, WCS and Atmos. Dracarys indeed.
Noooo!!!!! Don't say that, I just started buying the standard blurays.....(at least with Atmos....)....
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My guess is that HBO will wait until Christmas 2018 and release a UHD Seasons 1 - 7 Box Set to set the stage leading up to the final season in 2019.

Game of Thrones UHD w/4K, HDR, WCS and Atmos. Dracarys indeed.
I can see HBO releasing season 7 as a 4K title next year but not sure about the other 6 seasons. I do hate how they release a blu ray then months later, release a limited edition blu ray with Dolby Atmos. I'm sure we will see a Game of Thrones ultimate 4K collection when the series is finished. I think the biggest factor is if HBO wants to spend the money to upconvert seasons 1-6 since they were filmed in 2K.
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Ive decided I will wait until two things:
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I can live without Atmos (albeit begrudgingly). That lack of 24Hz output is a real big deal.

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That said, somebody on Macrumors contacted Apple about 24 Hz support and Apple said it does not support it.
Terrible news! So there is no streambox with with 24p output, dolby vision, and bitstreaming (dolby atmos). Chromecast doesn't count, I don't want to occupy my phone battery and resources to watch stuff.

Shield has 24p (on a per app basis), audio issues, medium to poor interface, but no DV
ATV has DV, high quality apps, but no 24p nor bitstreaming
Roku has a terrible interface and is cludgy

If I had to choose I guess I would go in that order...

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Can you download purchased iTunes movies to a NAS and stream to ATV?
No but if you have iTunes on a computer, you can do that. Download them all locally and stream locally.

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Terrible news! So there is no streambox with with 24p output, dolby vision, and bitstreaming (dolby atmos). Chromecast doesn't count, I don't want to occupy my phone battery and resources to watch stuff.
Chromecast doesn't stream from your phone. Once you start playback of any Chromecast enabled app via your phone (which seems to be most of them) the phone can be turned off. The stream happens between the server and the Chromecast. No battery drain and you can use the phone for anything else that you want to do.
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Anyone who would like to see 24 Hz and Dolby Atmos support added to the ATV, here's a link where you can give Apple feedback. Likely nothing will come of it, but it literally took me less than a minute to write a comment.

https://www.apple.com/feedback/appletv.html
just typed up a detailed email. I have a friend that works at Apple and they do take all submissions from the web very seriously. Please, everyone comment. It will not get lost into ether.
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Chromecast doesn't stream from your phone. Once you start playback of any Chromecast enabled app via your phone (which seems to be most of them) the phone can be turned off. The stream happens between the server and the Chromecast. No battery drain and you can use the phone for anything else that you want to do.
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I can see HBO releasing season 7 as a 4K title next year but not sure about the other 6 seasons. I do hate how they release a blu ray then months later, release a limited edition blu ray with Dolby Atmos. I'm sure we will see a Game of Thrones ultimate 4K collection when the series is finished. I think the biggest factor is if HBO wants to spend the money to upconvert seasons 1-6 since they were filmed in 2K.
A UHD box set of the entire series to date is too big an opportunity for HBO to pass up; viewers will be salivating to re-watch the series in advance of the final season come late 2018/early 2019, and what better incentive than UHD?

HBO is releasing Season 1 of Westworld in UHD, so they are definitely upping their disc game, so here's hoping they up their game for the biggest game of them all; yes, it will be upconverted and some of the CGI will look a bit weak, but add HDR, WCG and Atmos in the same package and people won't be able to throw their gold coins in HBO's direction fast enough.

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Whoa, really? So I could turn off my phone once I start the stream?
Yes....it's just like Airplay to an Apple TV. It's just the phone sending the info to the box and the box pulls the data directly.
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Yes....it's just like Airplay to an Apple TV. It's just the phone sending the info to the box and the box pulls the data directly.
So if I were to turn off my phone it would break the stream?

What @nathan_h said was that it would not consume resources on my phone. Airplay does consume resources on the phone (app runs on phone and sends video).

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It depends on the app. I can't speak to airplay.

For ChromeCast if the app is enabled, not just screen mirroring, I can turn off my phone and it works fine. Check out the Chromecast discussions on AVS for more details.
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So if I were to turn off my phone it would break the stream?

What @nathan_h said was that it would not consume resources on my phone. Airplay does consume resources on the phone (app runs on phone and sends video).
You can't turn your phone all the way off......but you can close the app and turn off the phone screen or do something else....at least that's the way for the Vudu app. I know for the Vudu app for example, it sends the info and the ATV does the work. There's still a connection to the phone, but I don't think much is used for resources.
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I guess data caps could be a new concern for some too. Someone at HTF posted and said Pacific Rim (2hr 12 min) is 18gb.

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For that size, you would hope it came with DTS HD MA audio track ...
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I guess data caps could be a new concern for some too. Someone at HTF posted and said Pacific Rim (2hr 12 min) is 18gb.
Didn't someone say that Vudu UHD will go up to 25 Mbps? If so, that's 11.3 GB/hr. I'm sure it's adaptive so probably not quite that high.
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For that size, you would hope it came with DTS HD MA audio track ...

Good thing is the image should be nice.
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So if I were to turn off my phone it would break the stream?.
Yes, as AirPlay is a protocol that device manufactures can license to provide 'screening' of content from a phone, tablet or computer.

Once initiated from a phone or tablet, Chromecast relies on a device to access the content from Google's servers; remove the device, or disconnect from Google's servers, and it would break the stream.

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I've said that myself many times. I don't think it's relevant here. I don't recall Apple failing to make good on a commitment like this in the past. But my memory isn't as good as it used to be. And yes, I know it's really a commitment from Amazon to port their app to tvOS but presumably contracts have been signed.

Maybe they're rewritting the iOS version for a better fit with the iPhone X as well as tvOS.
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I generally agree with the sentiment of not basing purchases on promises of future updates, but in this specific instance I really don't see this one not coming to fruition. To me it's all but guaranteed. That said, somebody on Macrumors contacted Apple about 24 Hz support and Apple said it does not support it.
Yes, even though I was the one originally posting with the concern about promised features, I have to agree with you guys that Apple would be the most reliable company about such things. Bottom line, I caved and ordered a 32GB around 3:00 Eastern time this morning!
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A UHD box set of the entire series to date is too big an opportunity for HBO to pass up; viewers will be salivating to re-watch the series in advance of the final season come late 2018/early 2019, and what better incentive than UHD?

HBO is releasing Season 1 of Westworld in UHD, so they are definitely upping their disc game, so here's hoping they up their game for the biggest game of them all; yes, it will be upconverted and some of the CGI will look a bit weak, but add HDR, WCG and Atmos in the same package and people won't be able to throw their gold coins in HBO's direction fast enough.
I totally forgot Westworld is coming out in UHD. I need to order that. Game of Thrones in UHD with HDR and Atmos? Instant purchase for me.
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Tell me why I should get a 64GB model vs. 32? I have an Atv 3 so you can't download apps and whatnot. I play games on PS4 pro.
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Looks like a 4K movie is about 20gigs so you can buffer a whole movie on the lower end model.....though I will try that thoroughly to confirm before the return period is over!
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Tell me why I should get a 64GB model vs. 32? I have an Atv 3 so you can't download apps and whatnot. I play games on PS4 pro.

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Looks like a 4K movie is about 20gigs so you can buffer a whole movie on the lower end model.....though I will try that thoroughly to confirm before the return period is over!
Meaning you can download it and then watch it without streaming?
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I can live without Atmos (albeit begrudgingly). That lack of 24Hz output is a real big deal.
Is this much of an issue when your TV can do a 3:2 pulldown?
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Maybe it's worth waiting until the device actually ships?

According to the tech specs: https://www.apple.com/apple-tv-4k/specs/ it does support Dolby Digital Plus (E-AC-3) which can support the lossy version of Dolby Atmos: http://developer.dolby.com/News/Dolb...1__Codecs.aspx

Likewise 24 Hz may or may not happen, we will know in a week.
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Maybe it's worth waiting until the device actually ships?



According to the tech specs: https://www.apple.com/apple-tv-4k/specs/ it does support Dolby Digital Plus (E-AC-3) which can support the lossy version of Dolby Atmos: http://developer.dolby.com/News/Dolb...1__Codecs.aspx



Likewise 24 Hz may or may not happen, we will know in a week.


The specific mention of “Dolby Digital Plus 7.1 surround sound” and no mention of Atmos anywhere doesn’t give me much hope.

As a test, I played the Vudu Atmos test clips using my ATV Vudu app and my AVR only detects 5.1 (tried both “best quality” and “Dolby Digital”) — my 4 year old Roamio plays them fine with Atmos. Hopefully the 4k behaves differently.

I’d much rather have Atmos than to hear Siri talking...

No Atmos means I won’t be using my ATV for movies, will have to continue using BD exclusively.


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I can live without Atmos (albeit begrudgingly). That lack of 24Hz output is a real big deal.
Why isn't it adequate to just a get a TV that can properly deal with 60 fps film material? Is there something magical about the source being outputed at 24p that is different from the TV recognizing it and adjusting appropriately?

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Meaning you can download it and then watch it without streaming?
Assuming it works like the existing units, it can cache the currently playing movie, but it's not the conventional sense of what people mean by 'download'.

But it's also not 'streaming' in the normal sense of maintaining only a minute or two of material as buffered content, hopping around to different quality levels, etc.
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