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post #14581 of 23755 Old 04-20-2018, 03:42 PM
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Thanks. I think the video embedded in the earlier post here does a pretty good job of letting me know what I'm giving up in terms of tone mapping in native DV vs. artificially converted HDR10. Granted, the reviewer in that video is using a 2017 LG B7 OLED and I have a 2016 LG B6 OLED, but close enough.



I think my game plan, for now anyway, will be to leave the ATV4K set to 4K 60 HDR10, with Dynamic Range Match turned on and Frame Rate Match turned off. I'm very pleased with how the ATV4K displays motion/judder at 60Hz across a range of content I've looked at. And while I was getting a weird flickering effect in near-blacks before with upscaled 4K at 24 Hz, I've yet to see that on my TV if I keep the ATV4K output at 60Hz. So that's another bonus. And the ATV4K does a better job of 4K upscaling than my TV or Yamaha receiver.



I've verified that the main apps I use -- Netflix, Hulu, Showtime, HBO, Channels, PBS -- all work with Dynamic Range Match so that everything switches to SDR for native SDR content (which is most or all of those apps' content).



When I watch the occasional DV movie in iTunes, I'll turn on Frame Rate Match, allowing the ATV4K to pass a 4K DV 24Hz signal to the TV. Otherwise, I'll keep Frame Rate Match turned off. Maybe a third of Netflix's 4K content is in DV. I'll probably just let the ATV4K convert that to HDR10 at 60Hz (i.e. Frame Rate Match off). From what I've seen so far in bits of Mindhunter and Lost in Space, it looked fine.


Are you saying that turning off frame rate match improves the picture quality? I would assume that 24Hz content played at 60Hz would have stutter? Why not leave frame rate match on?


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Are you saying that turning off frame rate match improves the picture quality? I would assume that 24Hz content played at 60Hz would have stutter? Why not leave frame rate match on?


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Depends on the capability of your TV-
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/motion/24p
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True, but I don't understand why I can't watch 4K on my 5K iMac...
The whole video chain need to be HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 compliant to display 4k HDR streams which I suspect the Mac 5k display lacks
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True, but I don't understand why I can't watch 4K on my 5K iMac...

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This has happened to me! The latest example I had was the Expendables 1 which was an XML redeem for SD. I was getting SD with Dolby Vision. Crazy, but true! This is also an example of the only time I've seen iTunes making an upgrade available in the iTunes store. I was able to buy the 4K/DV version of the title and now my SD version is gone. The upgrade option pulldown menu was where the "Download" button is normally just below the "Play" button.

EDIT: I've also seen SD with Dolby Vision with rentals, but that's another story.

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Depends on the capability of your TV-

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/motion/24p






Hmm I have the LG OLED B7A and it says I can do stutter free on every use case. I’ll have to check it out.



What’s driving me crazy is that when I enable match for frame rate and range, whenever I leave a video that’s playing like Netflix for example, the screen goes dark for like 4 seconds (I guess to match back the 60Hz of the Apple TV 4K). If I turn off matching, it goes back instantly without that 4 second blackout.




Is this normal? I’m using belkin 2.1 HDMI from Apple store



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RE your SD DV rental, which movie was it and did you select SD by mistake when ordering?
The only iTunes rentals I ever do are the $.99 ones that are 4K. The last one I tested was BayWatch and I even posted pics. SD with DV. I've not tested a rental since. The funny thing is that SD with DV actually looks pretty good!

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So, I just ended up with a few Apple TV 4K's in our house, and we're primarily watching Youtube TV.

I have some old Panasonic Plasma 1080P displays, (P65VT50's).

Anything need to do or change or tinker with?
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Hmm I have the LG OLED B7A and it says I can do stutter free on every use case. I’ll have to check it out.



What’s driving me crazy is that when I enable match for frame rate and range, whenever I leave a video that’s playing like Netflix for example, the screen goes dark for like 4 seconds (I guess to match back the 60Hz of the Apple TV 4K). If I turn off matching, it goes back instantly without that 4 second blackout.

https://youtu.be/TkHCFhsk4vg



Is this normal? I’m using belkin 2.1 HDMI from Apple store



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It's normal.
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Hmm I have the LG OLED B7A and it says I can do stutter free on every use case. I’ll have to check it out.



What’s driving me crazy is that when I enable match for frame rate and range, whenever I leave a video that’s playing like Netflix for example, the screen goes dark for like 4 seconds (I guess to match back the 60Hz of the Apple TV 4K). If I turn off matching, it goes back instantly without that 4 second blackout.

https://youtu.be/TkHCFhsk4vg



Is this normal? I’m using belkin 2.1 HDMI from Apple store



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It's normal.
Thanks guys, check that one off my list...
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Hmm I have the LG OLED B7A and it says I can do stutter free on every use case. I’ll have to check it out.



What’s driving me crazy is that when I enable match for frame rate and range, whenever I leave a video that’s playing like Netflix for example, the screen goes dark for like 4 seconds (I guess to match back the 60Hz of the Apple TV 4K). If I turn off matching, it goes back instantly without that 4 second blackout.

https://youtu.be/TkHCFhsk4vg



Is this normal? I’m using belkin 2.1 HDMI from Apple store



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I set my ATV to 24Hz with match on so that I very seldom get that screen blanking. Most of what I watch on the ATV is 24Hz.
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I set my ATV to 24Hz with match on so that I very seldom get that screen blanking. Most of what I watch on the ATV is 24Hz.


But then the UI is so choppy and sluggish, no?


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But then the UI is so choppy and sluggish, no?


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I would rather take the screen blanking for a few seconds and be able to enjoy what I am watching at the fullest than the opposite etc. I have my settings at 4K 60hz match frame and range on. Everything looks great.
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But then the UI is so choppy and sluggish, no?

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I've heard this sluggish complaint of the UI before, but I do not have a sluggish UI with 4K SDR, 24Hz, match range & frame rate. I just tried out the 60Hz setting again to confirm and I see no difference. Maybe it has something to do with TVs or receivers? I have an LG-C6 and Yamaha RX-V681 receiver.
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My ui is sluggish at 24hz. Same on my shield. I leave it at 60hz and just let it match.
I have an lg b6. I also have denon and yamaha receivers and tested on a vizio tv. Results are the same across the board.

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So, I just ended up with a few Apple TV 4K's in our house, and we're primarily watching Youtube TV.

I have some old Panasonic Plasma 1080P displays, (P65VT50's).

Anything need to do or change or tinker with?
Nope. Full auto will work fine for you.
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Nope. Full auto will work fine for you.


Great!

Gonna grab a 4K TV here soon. What then?


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I've heard this sluggish complaint of the UI before, but I do not have a sluggish UI with 4K SDR, 24Hz, match range & frame rate. I just tried out the 60Hz setting again to confirm and I see no difference. Maybe it has something to do with TVs or receivers? I have an LG-C6 and Yamaha RX-V681 receiver.


That’s weird. I don’t have a receiver. I plug in the Apple TV 4K directly to my LG B7A. And it’s super sluggish and choppy if I set the UI to 24Hz. Maybe it has to do with the Real Cinema setting? I have it set to ON


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That’s weird. I don’t have a receiver. I plug in the Apple TV 4K directly to my LG B7A. And it’s super sluggish and choppy if I set the UI to 24Hz. Maybe it has to do with the Real Cinema setting? I have it set to ON


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I have Real Cinema On, TruMotion Off. Weird, am I the only one that doesn't have a sluggish UI @24Hz?
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I have Real Cinema On, TruMotion Off. Weird, am I the only one that doesn't have a sluggish UI @24Hz?
No, I have no problems with the UI being sluggish. I have a 4K Sony projector and it requires setting output to 24p for all HDR content. So I have Match frame rate and match dynamic range both set to on. I have my default output as 4K HDR 24p.

My UI is as smooth as butter. Maybe it is an issue when connected to the LG B models.
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I hope people don't mind my asking this without having read through all 400+ pages here first looking for the answer ...

Often, when I haven't used my ATV 4K for overnight or so, when I fire it up it does this thing where the screen goes dark, and then the home screen comes back, repeatedly at a rate of about once every couple of seconds. The only way I can get it to work is to unplug the power cord and plug it back in.

This is viewing on a Sony XBR 900E-series TV, which lord knows has its own flakiness issues. But given that cycling the power fixes the problem, I think it's probably the ATV's fault.
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I hope people don't mind my asking this without having read through all 400+ pages here first looking for the answer ...

Often, when I haven't used my ATV 4K for overnight or so, when I fire it up it does this thing where the screen goes dark, and then the home screen comes back, repeatedly at a rate of about once every couple of seconds. The only way I can get it to work is to unplug the power cord and plug it back in.

This is viewing on a Sony XBR 900E-series TV, which lord knows has its own flakiness issues. But given that cycling the power fixes the problem, I think it's probably the ATV's fault.
Yes others have had similar issues, especially with Sony TVs. Doesn’t seem universal though as plenty of people with Sonys don’t have the issue. Definitely something between the ATV and the Sony.
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No, I have no problems with the UI being sluggish. I have a 4K Sony projector and it requires setting output to 24p for all HDR content. So I have Match frame rate and match dynamic range both set to on. I have my default output as 4K HDR 24p.



My UI is as smooth as butter. Maybe it is an issue when connected to the LG B models.


Your UI will be updating at 24fps as opposed to 60fps if you used 60hz. It will be as sluggish as everybody else’s set at that setting. It must just be that you’re not sensitive to it.


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anyone know of any issues with Apple TV 4k ,wifi extremely slow ,this is number 2 and its the same issue ,I've tried my 3 gen one in the same spot and no issues if I check speeds 60/60 ,the 4k one is like 3/ 3. .it does not load or loads slow everything ,the movies ,title pictures on the various apps .nothing else is running slow , I've reset it ,updated to 11.4 ,nothing starting happening about a month ago .sometimes when I reboot it it fixes it for maybe 30 min ,then goes right back to slow . I've reset the router .I looked on line there r some people with the same problems ,I talked to apple ,of course they never heard of such issue. mind u this is the second one ,I've had it since sept ,but no issues until about a month ago.

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anyone know of any issues with Apple TV 4k ,wifi extremely slow ,this is number 2 and its the same issue ,I've tried my 3 gen one in the same spot and no issues if I check speeds 60/60 ,the 4k one is like 3/ 3. .it does not load or loads slow everything ,the movies ,title pictures on the various apps .nothing else is running slow , I've reset it ,updated to 11.4 ,nothing starting happening about a month ago .sometimes when I reboot it it fixes it for maybe 30 min ,then goes right back to slow . I've reset the router .I looked on line there r some people with the same problems ,I talked to apple ,of course they never heard of such issue. mind u this is the second one ,I've had it since sept ,but no issues until about a month ago.


No besides my iPhone the ATV is my fastest device 270 Mbps
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anyone know of any issues with Apple TV 4k ,wifi extremely slow ,this is number 2 and its the same issue ,I've tried my 3 gen one in the same spot and no issues if I check speeds 60/60 ,the 4k one is like 3/ 3. .it does not load or loads slow everything ,the movies ,title pictures on the various apps .nothing else is running slow , I've reset it ,updated to 11.4 ,nothing starting happening about a month ago .sometimes when I reboot it it fixes it for maybe 30 min ,then goes right back to slow . I've reset the router .I looked on line there r some people with the same problems ,I talked to apple ,of course they never heard of such issue. mind u this is the second one ,I've had it since sept ,but no issues until about a month ago.


Sounds like a router problem. What kind do you have?
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Verizon /can it be the router ? all 3 computers ,2 iPhones ,another Apple TV ,playstation ,xbox ,2 tv all on wifi with no issues

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I just picked up an Apple TV 4k today and can't get it to use Dolby Vision on my Sony 65x930e. I've read all over the place that Dolby Vision is supposed to work through the Apple TV on my set. Any ideas what might be going wrong? I have 11.3 installed and have tried both iTunes Movies and Netflix for Dolby Vision content.

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Just figured it out. My receiver (Denon 4200) won't be getting Dolby Vision support until this summer. I'll need to connect the Apple TV directly to the Sony TV.
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I just picked up an Apple TV 4k today and can't get it to use Dolby Vision on my Sony 65x930e. I've read all over the place that Dolby Vision is supposed to work through the Apple TV on my set. Any ideas what might be going wrong? I have 11.3 installed and have tried both iTunes Movies and Netflix for Dolby Vision content.



EDIT:



Just figured it out. My receiver (Denon 4200) won't be getting Dolby Vision support until this summer. I'll need to connect the Apple TV directly to the Sony TV.


I just searched for specs on the tv and it doesn't support Dolby vision. It's not mentioned in reviews or the marketing.

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I just searched for specs on the tv and it doesn't support Dolby vision. It's not mentioned in reviews or the marketing.
Yes. It supports Dolby Vision.

I’m surprised you didn’t find references to it, as it was a big deal when support was made available through a software update.

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So I got Dolby Vision working, but for some reason I'm only getting stereo audio over HDMI ARC. Any thoughts as to why?

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Got the audio working. Had to set the Apple TV is output Dolby Digital 5.1, rather than LPCM.
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