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If it’s 4K it will show up that way on the ATV4K but HD on your MAC. You can redeem your codes multiple ways (such as Movies Anywhere, iTunes or provider sites). For 4K bookmark this link. It’s the “bible”.

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Yeah, Spiderman Homecoming BluRay had a MoviesAnywhere code (instead of iTunes). I think that's a first for me to see in the wild.

I redeemed at MA ... I hope that was right. Or, does it not matter since it was from an old-school BluRay ?

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Yeah, Spiderman Homecoming BluRay had a MoviesAnywhere code (instead of iTunes). I think that's a first for me to see in the wild.

I redeemed at MA ... I hope that was right. Or, does it not matter since it was from an old-school BluRay ?
If it's a 4K Movies Anywhere (MA) redemption and it's available in 4K on iTunes, it's be 4K in iTunes. However, if it's HD MA, it will only show up in iTunes as HD, but you will not get the free 4K upgrade. You only get the 4K upgrade if you purchased/redeemed the HD movie in iTunes.
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My display is a Vizio P65-C1. Should I set my Apple TV 4K's Chroma to 4.4.4 or 4.2.0?

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My display is a Vizio P65-C1. Should I set my Apple TV 4K's Chroma to 4.4.4 or 4.2.0?



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If the ATV4K is letting you choose then it doesn’t matter. People will argue one way or the other but either is fine assuming you currently are at SDR 4K.


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If I take my ATV 4K to Europe and hook it up to a TV set , will I be able to rent movies from Itunes ? The same movies available here ? Will my owned movies be available there ? Thank you guys for any help.

I was so happy without HDR...
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If I take my ATV 4K to Europe and hook it up to a TV set , will I be able to rent movies from Itunes ? The same movies available here ? Will my owned movies be available there ? Thank you guys for any help.
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If I take my ATV 4K to Europe and hook it up to a TV set , will I be able to rent movies from Itunes ? The same movies available here ? Will my owned movies be available there ? Thank you guys for any help.


Yes. Plenty of uk owners have signed up for US accounts.


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Is there much advantage in getting a 64GB ATV 4K over the 32GB? How is the extra onboard storage helpful? I'll just be streaming mostly.

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Is there much advantage in getting a 64GB ATV 4K over the 32GB? How is the extra onboard storage helpful? I'll just be streaming mostly.



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I have both, no advantage. I could have saved a few bucks.


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Is there much advantage in getting a 64GB ATV 4K over the 32GB? How is the extra onboard storage helpful? I'll just be streaming mostly.



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I specifically bought a 64GB so I could load a large amount of 4K photos to it. I was very upset to discover that Apple only allows streaming of photos through the device.
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Is there much advantage in getting a 64GB ATV 4K over the 32GB? How is the extra onboard storage helpful? I'll just be streaming mostly.

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Almost no advantage since all media is streamed and apps use "app thinning" where only necessary portions of the app are stored locally and various parts are swapped out (deleted and downloaded) as needed.
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What is the general consensus on Apples' HDR > SDR (rec709) tone mapping? In other words, for someone who only wants to play 4k SDR for all titles.

I'm currently using an Oppo to handle the HDR>SDR tone mapping, but I'm thinking of removing the Oppo from the chain until they fix the wide color issue. I have a projector and prefer to keep it in low power mode at the SDR 2.4 gamma.

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It's great because in many cases, it doesn't have to map it! Rather, what you see is what the content creator intended for 4k SDR. No guessing involved.

It pulls a separate 4k SDR stream.

(This was tested with iTunes content. It may not be true with other providers, though it appears to be the case with Netflix, as well.)
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It's great because in many cases, it doesn't have to map it! Rather, what you see is what the content creator intended for 4k SDR. No guessing involved.

It pulls a separate 4k SDR stream.

(This was tested with iTunes content. It may not be true with other providers, though it appears to be the case with Netflix, as well.)
There was conjecture that any sdr stream is actually 1080, which gets upscaled to 4K. Are you certain sdr has a 4K stream?
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What is the general consensus on Apples' HDR > SDR (rec709) tone mapping?

For iTunes if you force SDR you get 1080p/SDR


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There was conjecture that any sdr stream is actually 1080, which gets upscaled to 4K.
any is conjecture. The iTunes video I've looked at is an observation. If you force SDR you get the SDR version which is 2K. Of course on properly prepared content it's irrelevant.

I might type 2K for 1080p.
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I specifically bought a 64GB so I could load a large amount of 4K photos to it. I was very upset to discover that Apple only allows streaming of photos through the device.
I don't think Apple prevents apps from using asset storage for static images. I'd check with Firecore. However beyond core storage it's all volatile so other activities might purge excess photos.

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For iTunes if you force SDR you get 1080p/SDR



any is conjecture. The iTunes video I've looked at is an observation. If you force SDR you get the SDR version which is 2K. Of course on properly prepared content it's irrelevant.
Agreed. A properly “balanced” image is probably more important than the resolution.
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For iTunes if you force SDR you get 1080p/SDR

any is conjecture. The iTunes video I've looked at is an observation. If you force SDR you get the SDR version which is 2K. Of course on properly prepared content it's irrelevant.
I’m not disagreeing because I don’t have any definitive data.

I don’t recall whether this combo (4K sdr versus 4K hdr) was covered in the posts that did some detective work earlier in this thread.

I had the impressiom that person found different streams via noting differences in burned in subtitles among different resolution streams, indicating the different streams weren’t being cross converted.
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For iTunes if you force SDR you get 1080p/SDR



any is conjecture. The iTunes video I've looked at is an observation. If you force SDR you get the SDR version which is 2K. Of course on properly prepared content it's irrelevant.
i have the system settings as 4k SDR with frame and HDR matching on. So you're saying if I turn off the HDR matching the entire resolution drops to 1080p when playing a 4k HDR title?
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I don’t recall whether this combo (4K sdr versus 4K hdr) was covered in the posts that did some detective work earlier in this thread.
I can look at more content since my sample size is small. I selected the degenerate case of 4K/HDR10 forced SDR -- no DV. My current assumption is that Apple still has the 2K/SDR asset for all the (full)HD customers so they make everything simpler/better* by sending that.


*E.g. let's say Apple "knows" that they have many customers on low speed links. They could handle that with adaptive rates but it's probably more process efficient to just send the HD stream.

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So you're saying if I turn off the HDR matching the entire resolution drops to 1080p when playing a 4k HDR title?
For some content. I don't know if it's all content.

I might type 2K for 1080p.
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This is the test case I recalled and clearly it doesn’t shed any light on whether the forced 4K sdr version is really 2k or 4K. All it does is confirm that it is not a converted version of the 4K hdr encode. Which is good. Could well be a 1080p encode.

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Interesting, iTunes has different encodes of a film depending on whether you are watching in DV/HDR or not. Don't get me wrong, it makes perfect since but, I just never thought about it before.

Take Star Trek Beyond. If you set your Apple TV to 4K SDR and turn OFF range matching you can watch the film in just 4K. Go to a scene where the aliens are speaking their alien language and you will see the ATV generated subtitles. Same thing happens if you set your ATV to 1080p SDR.

Turn range matching back ON and play the 4K DV version, go to the same scene with alien language and you will see the Trek stylized, burned in subtitles that appeared in theaters. They only appear on the DV version of the movie form iTunes which obviously means it is a different file being streamed. Unfortunately, the ATV still generates its own subtitles on top of those so, you end up with double the subtitles. That's annoying and I don't see a way to disable the ATV ones (they even appear when subtitles are set to OFF, I've tried).


I always assumed these services only had one file and metedata determined/applied HDR/DV when appropriate.
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This is the test case I recalled and clearly it doesn’t shed any light on whether the forced 4K sdr version is really 2k or 4K. All it does is confirm that it is not a converted version of the 4K hdr encode. Which is good. Could well be a 1080p encode.
Agreed, and I believe the only definitive way to tell is to have the ATV HUD installed to see the stream details.
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I noticed that titles are already showing up with the Atmos logo on the TV app on iOS. I am on the tvOS 12 beta and it’s been hit or miss finding movies that have Atmos up and running. VUDU seems to be more consistent.

Can anyone check if Ready Player One is playing with Atmos on tvOS 12?




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Hey all,
Is this the correct place to ask questions regarding Apple TV, and iCloud, or should I ask on an Apple specific forum such as their own community or a place like MacRumors?


I have primarily Apple products, and I know that's not always the case on these forums.


The question is, When I'm signed into iCloud on both Apple TVs
(a 4th generation, and a 4k model) I get screwy issues on app updates sometimes. I have completely disabled iCloud on the 4th generation, and left it enabled on the 4k model and things seem to be OK now.


My initial impressions have been that iCloud on Apple TV is quite different from the features for the Mac, and iOS devices e.g. on Apple TV it's more of an access for photos, and keeping the home screen synced, where as on the computers, phone and iPad, there are many more advantages to using it.
This leads me to the last part of the question, does turning off iCloud on Apple TV disable features that I've overlooked, or am I pretty much spot on with my assessment that i'm just truing off the photo library support. The other thing is, couldn't I simply just airplay photos from one of my Macs, iPhone, or iPad to Apple TV over the local network?


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I'm stepping lightly here because I could be talking to a thread where the Apple TV is your only Apple product, so expectations, and experience could be different.
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Hey all,
Is this the correct place to ask questions regarding Apple TV, and iCloud, or should I ask on an Apple specific forum such as their own community or a place like MacRumors?


I have primarily Apple products, and I know that's not always the case on these forums.


The question is, When I'm signed into iCloud on both Apple TVs
(a 4th generation, and a 4k model) I get screwy issues on app updates sometimes. I have completely disabled iCloud on the 4th generation, and left it enabled on the 4k model and things seem to be OK now.


My initial impressions have been that iCloud on Apple TV is quite different from the features for the Mac, and iOS devices e.g. on Apple TV it's more of an access for photos, and keeping the home screen synced, where as on the computers, phone and iPad, there are many more advantages to using it.
This leads me to the last part of the question, does turning off iCloud on Apple TV disable features that I've overlooked, or am I pretty much spot on with my assessment that i'm just truing off the photo library support. The other thing is, couldn't I simply just airplay photos from one of my Macs, iPhone, or iPad to Apple TV over the local network?


Thanks
I'm stepping lightly here because I could be talking to a thread where the Apple TV is your only Apple product, so expectations, and experience could be different.


You can find detail in the very first post of the thread from @bodosom but the short answer is yes other stuff is associated to your iCloud account. If you have One Home Screen enabled it saves the apps and locations of your apps plus other settings in iCloud. Read the first post.


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You can find detail in the very first post of the thread from @bodosom but the short answer is yes other stuff is associated to your iCloud account. If you have One Home Screen enabled it saves the apps and locations of your apps plus other settings in iCloud. Read the first post.


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Thanks, I went back to page 1 and found the initial layout post of the thread.
The main issue I was having with iCloud was if both AppleTVs were signed in, certain apps (especially on the Apple TV 4k) such as Netflix, wouldn't install correctly, and I'd experience issues like the app's startup screen was blank, the app generally functioned ok, but after signing the Apple TV 4 out of iCloud, and leaving the 4k as the only connected Apple TV, those strange issues went away. There has also been an issue with both apple TVs downloading the same Aerial screen savers. The 4, would always get a bigger variety then the 4k. Both are set to download daily.

currently both are on TVOS 11.4.1
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Thanks, I went back to page 1 and found the initial layout post of the thread.

The main issue I was having with iCloud was if both AppleTVs were signed in, certain apps (especially on the Apple TV 4k) such as Netflix, wouldn't install correctly, and I'd experience issues like the app's startup screen was blank, the app generally functioned ok, but after signing the Apple TV 4 out of iCloud, and leaving the 4k as the only connected Apple TV, those strange issues went away. There has also been an issue with both apple TVs downloading the same Aerial screen savers. The 4, would always get a bigger variety then the 4k. Both are set to download daily.



currently both are on TVOS 11.4.1


Delete Netflix on both and reinstall. I don’t have that problem and I have 3 ATV’s.


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If, it happens again, I'll try that, for now everything is working. In fact I did similar to resolve the issue. I signed the Apple TV 4 out of iCloud, deleted Netflix on the 4k and reinstalled and it's been fine since, and the screen saver issue seems to be better now as well ever since only leaving one signed in. I have a 64 GB 4k, and a 32 GB 4. Was able to get the 64 cheaper as I had a store credit at Best Buy so it ended up cheaper then the 32 GB 4k. My observations were the 4k was always a little quirky over my 4. that was trying the 32 GB first, and then settling for the 64 since I got a better deal with that one, as the 32 GB came from walmart at full price and then was returned.


Plus, I wanted to add, I don't want my devices to automatically sync all the time, and putting one out of iCloud was my only solution. That was my one big gripe about ROKU which I also have is it's very hard to have separate configurations per device to impossible. At least Apple gives the option.

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If, it happens again, I'll try that, for now everything is working. In fact I did similar to resolve the issue. I signed the Apple TV 4 out of iCloud, deleted Netflix on the 4k and reinstalled and it's been fine since, and the screen saver issue seems to be better now as well ever since only leaving one signed in. I have a 64 GB 4k, and a 32 GB 4. Was able to get the 64 cheaper as I had a store credit at Best Buy so it ended up cheaper then the 32 GB 4k. My observations were the 4k was always a little quirky over my 4. that was trying the 32 GB first, and then settling for the 64 since I got a better deal with that one, as the 32 GB came from walmart at full price and then was returned.


Plus, I wanted to add, I don't want my devices to automatically sync all the time, and putting one out of iCloud was my only solution. That was my one big gripe about ROKU which I also have is it's very hard to have separate configurations per device to impossible. At least Apple gives the option.
I'm going to test having both connected to iCloud again, and the photo library and sharing enabled but disable the home screen syncing. That way I can have other parts synced, but won't have my apps synced automatically. The only benefit I saw in home screen syncing for me was if I had to restore an apple tv to factory defaults, then stuff would come back automatically to the way I had it, but that's about all I need it for.
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