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When Dolby Digital 5.1 is selected does the ATV4K have a fixed bitrate?
Yes, the output is always 640K which is the maximum for AC-3.

I might type 2K for 1080p.
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4KSDR vs 4KHDR Setting

Sorry, for being confused?? It is my understanding that you only want 1 up converter in your video signal? In my case; the Onkyo 787 does NOT up convert anything, just passes thru all HDMI signals and the Samsung MU8000 does all the up converting. Why do I want my ATV in SDR mode to force it to up convert and then have the Sammy up convert again??
Seems like one up convert is enough?

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Why do I want my ATV in SDR mode to force it to up convert and then have the Sammy up convert again?
Please review the first post in this thread.

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I’m in the market for either a 4K Apple TV or a Roku Ultra to upgrade my old Roku. We’re currently using PS Vue, so I’d like something that plays well with controlling that. Current Roku seems to have issues when paired with the Harmony as it’s tricky to navigate between the different menus.

Apple TV app sounds like it blends different services and makes a seamless interface (ala Roku search), but the website is very vague on all of it. Almost sounds like the feature won’t be available yet, so wasn’t sure if it was tied to the ATV+ service.


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Personal choice and I' sure the use of the Harmony and support will be an influence but for me, there's no choice.
I have both an ATV4K and ROKU Ultras. When I dumped DTV more than a year ago I got the ATV4K with the DTVN trial and bought an Ultra.

After a few weeks of use I found the ATV4K remote to be cumbersome, difficult to use (tactile missing) and the overall experience was just not as good as the ROKU. I went all ROKU. I also like the soft remote for ROKU available on Android and Windows as I have a couple "remote rooms" served by HDBaseT distribution as a left over from my DirecTV days! I'm waiting for the next gen ROKU so I can upgrade and move some existing devices to those locations!!!!

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I’m in the market for either a 4K Apple TV or a Roku Ultra to upgrade my old Roku. We’re currently using PS Vue, so I’d like something that plays well with controlling that. Current Roku seems to have issues when paired with the Harmony as it’s tricky to navigate between the different menus.

Apple TV app sounds like it blends different services and makes a seamless interface (ala Roku search), but the website is very vague on all of it. Almost sounds like the feature won’t be available yet, so wasn’t sure if it was tied to the ATV+ service.


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Please review the first post in this thread.
I just reread it. Since, I only use Sling, Hulu, Pandora, Amazon Prime and Netflix; I will stay with HDR..

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Personal choice and I' sure the use of the Harmony and support will be an influence but for me, there's no choice.
I have both an ATV4K and ROKU Ultras. When I dumped DTV more than a year ago I got the ATV4K with the DTVN trial and bought an Ultra.

After a few weeks of use I found the ATV4K remote to be cumbersome, difficult to use (tactile missing) and the overall experience was just not as good as the ROKU. I went all ROKU. I also like the soft remote for ROKU available on Android and Windows as I have a couple "remote rooms" served by HDBaseT distribution as a left over from my DirecTV days! I'm waiting for the next gen ROKU so I can upgrade and move some existing devices to those locations!!!!

At half the cost is was a "no brainer" FOR ME! YMMV!
But, only ATV4K will get you DOLBY ATMOS with Netflix............ Which is MY deciding factor.. XboxOneX doesn't work correctly.

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Personal choice and I' sure the use of the Harmony and support will be an influence but for me, there's no choice.

I have both an ATV4K and ROKU Ultras. When I dumped DTV more than a year ago I got the ATV4K with the DTVN trial and bought an Ultra.



After a few weeks of use I found the ATV4K remote to be cumbersome, difficult to use (tactile missing) and the overall experience was just not as good as the ROKU. I went all ROKU. I also like the soft remote for ROKU available on Android and Windows as I have a couple "remote rooms" served by HDBaseT distribution as a left over from my DirecTV days! I'm waiting for the next gen ROKU so I can upgrade and move some existing devices to those locations!!!!



At half the cost is was a "no brainer" FOR ME! YMMV!


Humm.... not sure that is particularly helpful. I get Roku costs less, but I’m not sure the base remote would fix my navigation woes. I’m thinking it may have more to do with how the app is developed for the different platforms.

Maybe a more general question should be - can you use a Harmony with Apple TV 4K?


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Humm.... not sure that is particularly helpful. I get Roku costs less, but I’m not sure the base remote would fix my navigation woes. I’m thinking it may have more to do with how the app is developed for the different platforms.

Maybe a more general question should be - can you use a Harmony with Apple TV 4K?


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Sorry, for being confused?? It is my understanding that you only want 1 up converter in your video signal? In my case; the Onkyo 787 does NOT up convert anything, just passes thru all HDMI signals and the Samsung MU8000 does all the up converting. Why do I want my ATV in SDR mode to force it to up convert and then have the Sammy up convert again??

Seems like one up convert is enough?


It seems you’re misunderstanding the basics. The ATV4K upscales everything to 4K if set to 4K. SDR and HDR relates to the dynamic range setting. When you set your ATV4K to 4K SDR with match dynamic range to on you’re playing SDR content in SDR and HDR in HDR. The AppleTV doesn’t have a “native” setting where it switches resolution (which is what you’re referring to when upscaling) based upon source it’s an one resolution device (which is what you Hard set in video settings.
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It seems you’re misunderstanding the basics. The ATV4K upscales everything to 4K if set to 4K. SDR and HDR relates to the dynamic range setting. When you set your ATV4K to 4K SDR with match dynamic range to on you’re playing SDR content in SDR and HDR in HDR. The AppleTV doesn’t have a “native” setting where it switches resolution (which is what you’re referring to when upscaling) based upon source it’s an one resolution device (which is what you Hard set in video settings.
That is exactly what I was doing.. Thank you... So what happens when the setting is reversed? Sorry, not obvious.

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That is exactly what I was doing.. Thank you... So what happens when the setting is reversed? Sorry, not obvious.


Reversed? If hire talking about setting the ATV4K to 4K HDR then it forces HDR on everything if there is no SDR flag on it. Some people like it, but for “straight” viewing it “should be 4K SDR with match dynamic range set to yes. This is because not every app has an SDR flag. 90% of the posts I see are people wanting the screensavers in HDR, for me I don’t care that much about screensavers are they rarely play on mine.
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Humm.... not sure that is particularly helpful. I get Roku costs less, but I’m not sure the base remote would fix my navigation woes. I’m thinking it may have more to do with how the app is developed for the different platforms.

Maybe a more general question should be - can you use a Harmony with Apple TV 4K?


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Edit: ...and not to imply that non-hub based Harmony remotes won’t. I just don’t have a non-hub based Harmony remote where I have my ATV 4k installed. Only an Elite, so that is the only thing I can personally confirm works...

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But, only ATV4K will get you DOLBY ATMOS with Netflix............ Which is MY deciding factor.. XboxOneX doesn't work correctly.
What do mean when you say the XBox One X doesn't work correctly?

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Depends on which Harmony??????????? Earlier models will not work properly..
Works with my Harmony One

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Personal choice and I' sure the use of the Harmony and support will be an influence but for me, there's no choice.
I have both an ATV4K and ROKU Ultras. When I dumped DTV more than a year ago I got the ATV4K with the DTVN trial and bought an Ultra.

After a few weeks of use I found the ATV4K remote to be cumbersome, difficult to use (tactile missing) and the overall experience was just not as good as the ROKU. I went all ROKU. I also like the soft remote for ROKU available on Android and Windows as I have a couple "remote rooms" served by HDBaseT distribution as a left over from my DirecTV days! I'm waiting for the next gen ROKU so I can upgrade and move some existing devices to those locations!!!!

At half the cost is was a "no brainer" FOR ME! YMMV!
Definitely personal preference. Roku was actually the first streaming devices I ever used. I eventually found the platform to be just too restrictive and migrated to all Android based streaming devices (I use a combination of Nvidia Shields and FireTVs). I did have a ATV device early on but also found that platform too restrictive. I have just recently added a ATV 4k to my home theater (there I now have a ATV 4k, Nvidia Shield, and a FireTV Stick 4k) but only to gain access to NetFlix ATMOS content support and for PSVue “Multiview”. Unfortunately it is the current state of streaming devices that their is not one device I can use to get everything I need/want hence multiple streaming devices...

I don’t use any of the oem remotes that came with any of my devices. They are all in a cabinet without batteries in them. I use Harmony Elites.
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Reversed? If hire talking about setting the ATV4K to 4K HDR then it forces HDR on everything if there is no SDR flag on it. Some people like it, but for “straight” viewing it “should be 4K SDR with match dynamic range set to yes. This is because not every app has an SDR flag. 90% of the posts I see are people wanting the screensavers in HDR, for me I don’t care that much about screensavers are they rarely play on mine.
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Works with my Harmony One
Yes, hub based Harmonies.. edit This is INCORRECT....

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I’m in the market for either a 4K Apple TV or a Roku Ultra to upgrade my old Roku. We’re currently using PS Vue, so I’d like something that plays well with controlling that. Current Roku seems to have issues when paired with the Harmony as it’s tricky to navigate between the different menus.

Apple TV app sounds like it blends different services and makes a seamless interface (ala Roku search), but the website is very vague on all of it. Almost sounds like the feature won’t be available yet, so wasn’t sure if it was tied to the ATV+ service.


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When I had PS Vue about a year ago, I tried Roku Ultra and ATV4K; hands down ATV4K was faster and got updates quicker too. Roku was slow and didn't always allow skip through commercials that I could do with the ATV4K (some vod and catch-up episodes)? PS Vue support was telling me at the time that Roku was in need of updates. ATV4K seems to generally have more update frequency across most apps.

And personally, I like the Roku Ultra but for TV streaming apps, it only seemed ideal for YouTube TV. Been nearly a year but it was slow on DirecTV Now and still has issues with framerate auto switching on Hulu for me. And I've yet to sync any Harmony remote will with it; missed command steps or just goes inactive for a spell. Annoying. Also annoys me that Roku lost its interval skipping forward feature; now it's only fast forward in increasing increments (no guess where you land), no logical skip for set time frames like 30 seconds, 90 seconds or 3 and one half minutes. Voice skipping still isn't there yet.

If you have the Harmony Hub, your Harmony remote will integrate better with Apple TV than Roku.

Search and voice commands are best with the ATV4K, IMO. Roku has some catching up to do with Google Assistant. However, I believe it's still only the Amazon Fire TV that will do the voice commands like voice skip with PS Vue. At least I think it did with PS Vue? Been a while for me, sorry!

If you're willing to pay the extra for the ATV4K, I think you'll like it. Some don't like the Siri remote but I find it's a premium when scrubbing through content and using voice skip where available. I also have the Amazon Fire TV 4K Stick; though it also has voice skip and framerate matching, it's less available than ATV4K for my apps and use. Alexa generally annoys me with narrow voice commands and misinterpreted commands. And using voice commands, I much prefer Siri's approach to text onscreen rather than voice that doesn't even have its own volume control. Surely wish Amazon would fix the volume issue!

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The Harmony One is not hub based and it is not necessary to have a Harmony that has a hub to control the Apple TV.
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What do mean when you say the XBox One X doesn't work correctly?
I returned one last week, when I found out that it forced ALL AUDIO OUT to ATMOS even if they are just regular Dolby. Makes for unusable audio. Searching found this is a known defect....

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It also works with my Harmony 700 which is not hub based.
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OK, I have the 700 and must have something wrong????? Just checked and when select the device "ATV" things work,,OOPS. i HAVE AN ERROR IN ACTIVITIES... Thanks for correcting my post. Sorry to all.

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I returned one last week, when I found out that it forced ALL AUDIO OUT to ATMOS even if they are just regular Dolby. Makes for unusable audio. Searching found this is a known defect....


Doesn’t it just throw it out with dead channels for the heights though? So effectively no difference?


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Doesn’t it just throw it out with dead channels for the heights though? So effectively no difference?


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It also works with my Harmony 700 which is not hub based.
I just tried again and it was not programmed correctly using normal methods. Does it require special methods?

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I’m in the market for either a 4K Apple TV or a Roku Ultra to upgrade my old Roku. We’re currently using PS Vue, so I’d like something that plays well with controlling that. Current Roku seems to have issues when paired with the Harmony as it’s tricky to navigate between the different menus.

Apple TV app sounds like it blends different services and makes a seamless interface (ala Roku search), but the website is very vague on all of it. Almost sounds like the feature won’t be available yet, so wasn’t sure if it was tied to the ATV+ service.


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But, only ATV4K will get you DOLBY ATMOS with Netflix............ Which is MY deciding factor.. XboxOneX doesn't work correctly.
Some people LOVE the ATV 4K remote and others HATE it. Personally, I LOVE IT, and the fantastic app which runs on both iPhones and iPads.

Sure, the Roku is 1/2 the price - but like all things in life - you get what you pay for. All of my HDR capable TV's can playback Dolby Vision - which the Roku cannot. That was the game breaker for me.

There's also the huge advantage of having the iTunes movie library at your disposal with nearly 500 Dolby Vision titles. Finally, 4K HDR/Dolby Vision rentals and purchases are the same price as the 1080P versions. The other streaming services that rent or sell titles charge nearly double for the 4K/HDR/Dolby Vision offerings.
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IIRC, the ATV 4k does have IR capability. If so just about any IR capable (all of them) Harmony remote would work, as long as the ATV is in line of sight to your remote.
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Yes, current hub based Harmony remotes work perfectly well with the ATV 4k. I use a Harmony Elite in my home theater where I have my ATV 4k.

Edit: ...and not to imply that non-hub based Harmony remotes won’t. I just don’t have a non-hub based Harmony remote where I have my ATV 4k installed. Only an Elite, so that is the only thing I can personally confirm works...

My old Harmony One controls my ATV4K. It does fine for basic functionality . But obviously no "scrubbing". For the most part I like the buttons better anyway.
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