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Just curious, for those of you who are unhappy with the new Apple TV 4K, what 4K streamer would you suggest instead? From what I've read so far, I doubt that I will be keeping my order after it arrives this afternoon.
I'd stay away from the Roku's (for now). They may be getting ready to refresh their lineup. Nvidia Shield just came out with a cheaper version without the game controller. And I think Amazon is getting ready for new Fire TVs.
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The forced HDR for the apple tv 4k really upsets me and I'll probably return it.

You can change from that default setting and it’s extremely easy to switch settings when needed by double click the home button.

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Nvidia Shield is about the best I've seen.
The Shield is good, but I like my Apple TV 4's (last year's version) UI much better. iOS also has better apps selection and some of the iOS apps are much better than the Android equivalents.

The Apple TV 4 also has a better remote (the Shield's remote's volume control jumps all over the place and it's hard to fine-tune). The Apple TV remote also has a gyro, which is a big plus for racing games (I was really surprised that NVIDIA's gamepad didn't).

Finally, I experience occasional lag with the Shield, up to 10 seconds at times. Some apps also crash occasionally (like Amazon).

Overall, I'd guess the Apple TV 4k is a better device.
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They've got to address this all-the-time-on-HDR thing. I don't want to have to constantly turn HDR on and off....and more often than not the auto HDR is messing with SDR content.
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Pretty much gonna have to set to 1080p SDR for now until (hopefully) they fix this thing and continue using the Roku...
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Am I correct in that chroma should be set to 4:2:0 to get 10-bit color for [email protected]? If I recall correctly you can't get both 4:2:2 chroma and 10-bit color.
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You can change from that default setting and it’s extremely easy to switch settings when needed by double click the home button.
Easy to change but if you don't guess correctly you are cross converting even by choosing the output you want. And by "guess" I mean not just guessing what the content is mastered at but also what it is streaming at (since Apple is starting to do adaptive streaming for some content).
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Checked out an Apple TV 4K at an Apple Store at lunch. No 64GB in stock until late October (which I have pre-ordered), 32GB in stock.

Pros? The blistering powerful A10X drives an interface that is simply stunning in 4K, Gigabit Ethernet is the bomb. Wish I could have really put it through its paces but such is life.

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Verdict? Roku will be challenged now that Apple has sewn up Amazon and Vudu; can't sustain a business on Jake Paul videos in 4K. Nvidia is losing a ton of money on the Shield. UHD players which stream media just can't complete with tvOS interface w/Siri and the power of the A10X. TV apps just can't complete with the tvOS interface w/Siri and the power of the A10X.

Game over except for cheap sticks, which will continue to dominate the market because they're cheap for people who can't afford/don't wish to spend anything more than $50.

first i have heard of this ... and i've had my shield since 2015.

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I found the 64GB version in stock this morning at 5th Ave Apple Store. I ordered it for in store pickup and picked it up during lunch.
I canceled my preorder which had 2-3 week estimate.

I was super excited to finally replace crappy Android TV on my Sony 75X940D (crashes multiple times a day) until I read Verge's review. Not happy about Apple TV 4k constantly upscaling everything to 4k 60hz and HDR. Hopefully a software update will introduce an option to disable it.

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You can do it manually but they need to add a "native output" option.
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Hello - Not able to activate Home Sharing on the new Apple TV 4K - rejects password. Have tried appending a generated 2factor verification code but that doesn’t work either - any suggestions?

Wondering where I can turn 2 factor off as it won’t let me on my iPad or iPhone.

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first i have heard of this ... and i've had my shield since 2015.
I've read the margin on the Shield is less than $20, and they haven't sold enough of them to recoup/invest in development now that new 4K platforms from Microsoft, Sony and Apple have hit the markets over the past 12 months.

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Is anyone using any of the 24Hz settings (HDR or DV, depending on source) for movie playback? Unless I’m mistaken, playing the movie back at 24Hz eliminates all motion “issues” on these 2016’s not being able to play back [email protected] without judder? How navigable the menu is at this refresh rate is a whole other issue, haha.


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Is anyone using any of the 24Hz settings (HDR or DV, depending on source) for movie playback? Unless I’m mistaken, playing the movie back at 24Hz eliminates all motion “issues” on these 2016’s not being able to play back [email protected] without judder? How navigable the menu is at this refresh rate is a whole other issue, haha.


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I use DV HDR at 24hz for DV movies on my E6 OLED, and HDR 24hz for HDR movies. The menu is a little sluggish, but nothing that bothers me. Don't use DV HDR for the HDR10 movies listed in itunes. It clips the whites pretty bad. If the movie in itunes is listed as DV, then use DV. IF listed as HDR use HDR. And don't use HDR or DV for any non HDR content. It makes it look pretty bad. Apple messed up big time by not have a native output setting.

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I use DV HDR at 24hz for DV movies on my E6 OLED, and HDR 24hz for HDR movies. The menu is a little sluggish, but nothing that bothers me. Don't use DV HDR for the HDR10 movies listed in itunes. It clips the whites pretty bad. If the movie in itunes is listed as DV, then use DV. IF listed as HDR use HDR. And don't use HDR or DV for any non HDR content. It makes it look pretty bad. Apple messed up big time by not have a native output setting.


That was exactly my intention @wxman ! Glad to hear someone else is on the same track, and I honestly think Apple may allow native output in an update. My real question, though, is that 24Hz is able to be displayed at proper cadence on the 2016’s yes? I don’t know if you ever saw @3DBuff ’s testing on the motion forum...


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I use DV HDR at 24hz for DV movies on my E6 OLED, and HDR 24hz for HDR movies. The menu is a little sluggish, but nothing that bothers me. Don't use DV HDR for the HDR10 movies listed in itunes. It clips the whites pretty bad. If the movie in itunes is listed as DV, then use DV. IF listed as HDR use HDR. And don't use HDR or DV for any non HDR content. It makes it look pretty bad. Apple messed up big time by not have a native output setting.
I wonder whether the DV content has an HDR10 core? Many of us have HDR displays that don't know from DV....
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I use DV HDR at 24hz for DV movies on my E6 OLED, and HDR 24hz for HDR movies. The menu is a little sluggish, but nothing that bothers me. Don't use DV HDR for the HDR10 movies listed in itunes. It clips the whites pretty bad. If the movie in itunes is listed as DV, then use DV. IF listed as HDR use HDR. And don't use HDR or DV for any non HDR content. It makes it look pretty bad. Apple messed up big time by not have a native output setting.


Also, what resolution are you selecting for 1080p content, since the TV will upscale to 4K anyway (I think?)


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That was exactly my intention @wxman ! Glad to hear someone else is on the same track, and I honestly think Apple may allow native output in an update. My real question, though, is that 24Hz is able to be displayed at proper cadence on the 2016’s yes? I don’t know if you ever saw @3DBuff ’s testing on the motion forum...


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On my 2016 LG I have read that it properly handles cadence and pull down for a 24fps video from a 60Mhz source (like Apple TV) if Real Cinema is on in the LG settings. To my eyes this is true and I am fairly sensitive to it. Try this. Set you Apple TV to 4K SDR 60 and test then set it to 24 and test the same scene. I'd like to know if you see the difference.

The bigger problem for me is not refresh rate but rather SDR vs HDR10 vs Dolby Vision.

Since most apps stream in 1080 SDR I will leave the Apple TV settings to 4K SDR. I will change to either HDR or DV only when I'm about to watch an HDR or DV movie selecting the correct one to match the content.

It is clear in iTunes but Netflix is saying DV for everything that is HDR on the Apple TV but the same title show up as HDR (not DV) on Roku so I am a bit confused with that.
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On my 2016 LG I have read that it properly handles cadence and pull down for a 24fps video from a 60Mhz source (like Apple TV) if Real Cinema is on in the LG settings. To my eyes this is true and I am fairly sensitive to it. Try this. Set you Apple TV to 4K SDR 60 and test then set it to 24 and test the same scene. I'd like to know if you see the difference.



The bigger problem for me is not refresh rate but rather SDR vs HDR10 vs Dolby Vision.



Since most apps stream in 1080 SDR I will leave the Apple TV settings to 4K SDR. I will change to either HDR or DV only when I'm about to watch an HDR or DV movie selecting the correct one to match the content.



It is clear in iTunes but Netflix is saying DV for everything that is HDR on the Apple TV but the same title show up as HDR (not DV) on Roku so I am a bit confused with that.


Well aside from output switching, which sucks, but will hopefully change...I think the test RTINGS did, and well as what @3DBuff conducted confirm that 3:2 pulldown is not displayed correctly on 2016 LG OLED’s. I’d be more apt to watch at 24Hz (which they can display properly) now since it’s finally an option, so in my mind it’s a win-win for actual viewing.


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Can anyone confirm that apple tv 4k only output dolby digital plus as LPCM multichannel?
I have a Samsung atmos soundbar which only supports PCM 2.0, I will not get dolby digital plus from streaming apps like Netflix, right?




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It is clear in iTunes but Netflix is saying DV for everything that is HDR on the Apple TV but the same title show up as HDR (not DV) on Roku so I am a bit confused with that.

Netflix content available in DV will play as HDR10 on devices that do not support DV. I assume that since the ATV supports DV, Netflix shows the DV logo even when connected to a TV that only supports HDR10.



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Just got my ATV 4K 32 GB set up. I have a 2015 Sony XBR X930C watching different movies and just wondering what the best settings for my TV are going back and Forth from 4K HDR 60 to 30 422 with iTunes movies lucy and Star Trek into darkness, beyond, look good still nothing like the UHD discs. and then tried 1080 SDR with HBO go game of thrones very bright and doesn't look good same with 4K upscale darker blotchy. I'm gonna stick with android tv app for that. I'm still playing around with it. Anyone with a similar tv set have advice on vid settings?

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I started by connecting my ATV 4k directly to my LG OLED and using ARC to feed AC3 to my AVR. The DV content I've watched (Netflix & iTunes) looks great and the surround sound is pretty good too -- not great, but it may be the streaming source, not sure. This setup should be fine until Apple adds Atmos, then I'll probably choose to watch 4k HDR w/ Atmos, over 4k DV w/ 5.1 (my AVR won't pass DV and my TV won't do DD+ via ARC).

I tried setting the output to both 30hz 4k DV and 24hz 4k DV and man the UI is not smooth, at all, when at 24hz and is noticeably jumpy at times on 30hz. Of course that isn't a big deal, as I got my TV to watch content, not menus. But I do see why Apple defaults it to 60hz -- it's still crazy that out-of-the-box it selected 4k HDR 60hz, instead of 4k DV 60hz.

As expected, the 3:2 pulldown doesn't work that great on my LG TV when watching 24p content at 30hz, so I'm very pleased Apple provided the ability to hard code to 24hz, which is what I'm going to leave it at until I notice a problem playing 30p content.

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So help me decide. Drop DV for HDR10 and get Dolby Dogital Plus OT Get Dolby Vision and ARC regular Dolby Dogital back.

Kinda pisses me off, because my TV can ARC DD Plus Of The Apple TV would do it.
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Has anyone notice that there are no Dolby Vision TV shows on Netflix through this 4k Apple TV? For example, Daredevil. Daredevil description on my LG Netflix app says Dolby Vision and on Apple TV 4K it says Ultra HD 4k. So clearly there not allowing the Dolby Vision stream through the apple TV. This is nuts, this is going back to Apple.
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Has anyone notice that there are no Dolby Vision TV shows on Netflix through this 4k Apple TV? For example, Daredevil. Daredevil description on my LG Netflix app says Dolby Vision and on Apple TV 4K it says Ultra HD 4k. So clearly there not allowing the Dolby Vision version stream through the apple TV. This is nuts, this is going back to Apple.
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