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Movies ported over from other retailers in HD are outputted through apple in HDR if available, however you do not get the full 4k resolution. At least that has been my experience.
Is this true, even when redeeming the "digital copy" code from a physical UHD?
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Let’s not confuse resolution and dynamic range. HD or 4k/UHD is resolution. HDR is High Dynamic Range at it’s not embedded in the resolution of a video file. It’s metadata and it can work with an HD file or UHD file. In the case of HDR10, we set the parameter manually on the ATV and the file displays inside that range and color space. In the case of DV, we set it manually as well, but the metadata varies dynamic range on a scene by scene basis inside the color space.

The HD files I’ve referenced are all recognized by iTunes as 4k files and no option for me to purchase or upgrade is available. I’ll observe on a case by case basis tonite precisely what’s happening with each.


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Hi Thomas. When I select HDR in settings the picture is quite dark. Is there a work around for this or is just as it’s supposed to be.
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Thanks !

I’ve figured out that if I tell it to go to sleep first and turn it back on from being off it comes back up fine. Must not like to try and re sync while still being on. I can’t tell if there is an actual sleep or power off command. I’m using my harmony remote and haven’t figured that out yet.

Since your using it with the E6 and are probably ahead of me, I just picked it up. Are you leaving it in DV all the time or switching back to SDR if your watching non true hdr content?

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Is this true, even when redeeming the "digital copy" code from a physical UHD?
I don't believe so. If your redeeming a Digital Copy from a physical UHD then you should get the full 4k HDR treatment if available.
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Just a heads up for those playing with the developer HUD. I turned it on and later asked to see beta updates (I wanted 11.1b2 which fixes the UI brightness issue in HDR).
If you're running beta code you need to get the appropriate version of Xcode. That may require having a developer account.
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You can bet the easy way to enable the HUD without an active developer account will soon go away. Apple doesn't want people peeking into the details like this.
I'll take that bet. Apple publishes an enormous amount of information for developers that's public, they're not particularly secretive about how things work when using public APIs -- they're just not obvious.
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When we were asked to move the MA discussion to an MA thread I was curious who might have complained given the low volume of traffic. I now see those complaints were prescient. More of the MA posts seem unrelated to the ATV and might be better posted elsewhere.

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So I've been adjusting my bandwidth. The bad news is yes Apple is now using various resolution steps in the face of network impairment for HD content and I've seen some instances of resolution changes even with no impairment although it's almost a flicker. In my limited testing it's much faster than I rember Netflix being but I haven't decided if I'm going to test the Netflix app.

2228x928 is what you get at 10Mbps (after a while). I assume that a download would resolve the HD issue.
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So I've been adjusting my bandwidth. The bad news is yes Apple is now using various resolution steps in the face of network impairment for HD content and I've seen some instances of resolution changes even with no impairment although it's almost a flicker. In my limited testing it's much faster than I rember Netflix being but I haven't decided if I'm going to test the Netflix app.

2228x928 is what you get at 10Mbps (after a while). I assume that a download would resolve the HD issue.


I’ve seen this as well while monitoring the last 2 days. Input resolution steps up. I’m running a 62gbps cable connection but WiFi to the AppleTV and at a consistent 50gbps connection, full 4k streams at 30mps bitrates are no problem.


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Will the 4K Apple TV Netflix app be the same way
The Netflix app is sending 4K DV.
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I just bought Goodfellas in 4k/HDR. It comes with a DL code from Ultraviolet. I'm assuming iTunes DL isn't an option. I have a VuDu account though. If I DL it to VuDu will I be able to access it via my 4K ATV (coming tomorrow) and watch it in 4k or DolbyVision using the VuDu app, or iTunes?

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Thanks !

I’ve figured out that if I tell it to go to sleep first and turn it back on from being off it comes back up fine. Must not like to try and re sync while still being on. I can’t tell if there is an actual sleep or power off command. I’m using my harmony remote and haven’t figured that out yet.

Since your using it with the E6 and are probably ahead of me, I just picked it up. Are you leaving it in DV all the time or switching back to SDR if your watching non true hdr content?

Thanks again.
Leaving it on DV
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I just bought Goodfellas in 4k/HDR. It comes with a DL code from Ultraviolet. I'm assuming iTunes DL isn't an option. I have a VuDu account though. If I DL it to VuDu will I be able to access it via my 4K ATV (coming tomorrow) and watch it in 4k or DolbyVision using the VuDu app, or iTunes?

The 4k redeem sheet says yes. Vudu for code. If it shows UHD in Vudu, iTunes should follow in 4k
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The 4k redeem sheet says yes. Vudu for code. If it shows UHD in Vudu, iTunes should follow in 4k


Mine came across to iTunes as HD from VUDU, likely because the 4k version on VUDU is a remaster and its only HD on iTunes (for now anyway).

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Mine came across to iTunes as HD from VUDU, likely because the 4k version on VUDU is a remaster and its only HD on iTunes (for now anyway).


Yes but seeing as he bought the 4k disc, the included code should not redeem as a the remaster title, I hope. Just in case, this is the redeem link from the Google Sheet- https://my.vudu.com/redeem.html?pdefid=10:252
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Yeah I tried going to wb.com/redeemdigital like the thing said, and got steered to the Ultraviolet site to put in the code, it says I'll get SD only if I do it.

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Count me in the camp of "ATV4K forcing HDR isn't a problem." I use the "Oledurt Bright Cinema HDR" settings on my Epson 6040 projector, and with HDR content, it looks to my eyes as good as a UHD disc. With 4K, non-HDR content, the settings push blue and green, so I change the color space to rec.709, and the picture is stellar. It took me about 3 episodes of Ozark to get it, but I'm more than satisfied.
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Yeah I tried going to wb.com/redeemdigital like the thing said, and got steered to the Ultraviolet site to put in the code, it says I'll get SD only if I do it.
This is the redeem sheet I’m talking about that’s shared throughout the forums-

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...htmlview#gid=0
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The Netflix app is sending 4K DV.
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So I've been adjusting my bandwidth. The bad news is yes Apple is now using various resolution steps in the face of network impairment for HD content and I've seen some instances of resolution changes even with no impairment although it's almost a flicker. In my limited testing it's much faster than I rember Netflix being but I haven't decided if I'm going to test the Netflix app.

2228x928 is what you get at 10Mbps (after a while). I assume that a download would resolve the HD issue.


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Here’s my report:

Every title I mentioned in my post earlier is working as I described. Natural size is 4k resolution @ 3828 x XXXX. 4/k level bitrates anywhere from 16-40. HDR headers displaying and working as spec’d per title. All of those titles were procured w HD codes.


So if I’m understanding this right movies bought elsewhere in HD and linked to iTunes through MA will play in UHD provided they get the appropriate bandwidth for UHD playback and if not they down convert to 2K?

I need to know this as Amazon has a sale on the digital HD version of Wonder Woman, but if I can’t get that copy upgraded to UHD when in it comes over to iTunes, I’m not purchasing it.
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So if I’m understanding this right movies bought elsewhere in HD and linked to iTunes through MA will play in UHD provided they get the appropriate bandwidth for UHD playback and if not they down convert to 2K?

I need to know this as Amazon has a sale on the digital HD version of Wonder Woman, but if I can’t get that copy upgraded to UHD when in it comes over to iTunes, I’m not purchasing it.


Don’t rely on me. My HD titles were purchased as iTunes compatible codes and specific ones have worked. I’ve not tried anything from Amazon.


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So if I’m understanding this right movies bought elsewhere in HD and linked to iTunes through MA will play in UHD provided they get the appropriate bandwidth for UHD playback and if not they down convert to 2K?

I need to know this as Amazon has a sale on the digital HD version of Wonder Woman, but if I can’t get that copy upgraded to UHD when in it comes over to iTunes, I’m not purchasing it.


3rd Party HD will stay HD. Some may be viewed as HD with HDR. 3rd Party 4k (Vudu/GooglePlay)should transfer as 4k. iTunes HD, purchased or redeemed in iTunes, will upgrade to 4k.


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I’ve demonstrated today that 3rd party HD codes are in fact upgrading to 4k and working correctly in many instances. If you read back a bit you’ll find my post. I’ve verified natural file resolution is streaming at 4k with the right HDR headers. Confirmed using HUD/Developer tool.

Both of these titles were iTunes compatible HD codes bought from 3rd parties. I’ve got at least 10 that are working correctly.

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I’ve demonstrated today that 3rd party HD codes are in fact upgrading to 4k and working correctly in many instances. If you read back a bit you’ll find my post. I’ve verified natural file resolution is streaming at 4k with the right HDR headers. Confirmed using HUD/Developer tool.

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As far as I know if they were itunes hd codes then they would play in 4k (if available) regardless of where you bought the code. It's when you buy a hd uv code i.e non itunes code that gets propagated through to itunes via MA that it won't play in 4k

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Quick question. On atv apps so far is vudu and netflix just 2 channel audio but itunes 5.1 and 7.1. Thanks in advance.
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Quick question. On atv apps so far is vudu and netflix just 2 channel audio but itunes 5.1 and 7.1. Thanks in advance.
Not sure about Vudu but Netflix is 5.1 at a minimum.
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Quick question. On atv apps so far is vudu and netflix just 2 channel audio but itunes 5.1 and 7.1. Thanks in advance.


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Im talking about the apple tv 4k specifically. Vudu app and netflix app the apple tv4k I don’t think is atmos enabled yet. I know the roku advanced models do though but no Dolby Vision.
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So if I’m understanding this right movies bought elsewhere in HD and linked to iTunes through MA will play in UHD provided they get the appropriate bandwidth for UHD playback and if not they down convert to 2K?

I need to know this as Amazon has a sale on the digital HD version of Wonder Woman, but if I can’t get that copy upgraded to UHD when in it comes over to iTunes, I’m not purchasing it.
Won’t work.

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The 4k redeem sheet says yes. Vudu for code. If it shows UHD in Vudu, iTunes should follow in 4k
Should work but no one has posted screen shots showing it yet.

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Here’s my report:

Every title I mentioned in my post earlier is working as I described. Natural size is 4k resolution @ 3828 x XXXX. 4/k level bitrates anywhere from 16-40. HDR headers displaying and working as spec’d per title. All of those titles were procured w HD codes.
Yep if you actually own an HD copy in iTunes you are golden. But if you own an HD copy elsewhere ported over, not so much.

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