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Well that's not quite true. Chromecast Ultra does Netflix DV (and will likely do Atmos viz. Vudu) and while it's a bit of a stretch there's a "streamer" in my display that does Netflix DV. Of course the ATV is "better" than those options.


Since when Chromecast does DV? I thought it?s HDR10 only?


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Since when Chromecast does DV? I thought it’s HDR10 only?

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Yes, it's been quite a while now. I just watched Annabelle:Creation from Vudu on the Chromecast Ultra and got both DV and Atmos. I watched only a couple of minutes on the Apple TV 4k and noticed quite a difference between Atmos and DD+ 5.1 or 7.1 on the Apple. The Atmos audio is very good on Annabelle:Creation.

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Sign up here first: http://beta.apple.com/

Using the same Apple ID you use on the ATV. Once you signup, the box will appear to get beta updates.


This will work for “public betas”. 11.2 is a “developer beta”. I doubt for long though.


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Well that's not quite true. Chromecast Ultra does Netflix DV (and will likely do Atmos viz. Vudu) and while it's a bit of a stretch there's a "streamer" in my display that does Netflix DV. Of course the ATV is "better" than those options.
I wasn't aware that Google finally updated the Ultra to work with Google Play and Vudu DV, as I was referencing non-Amazon/Netflix streaming services. So Google and Vudu content displays in DV? Does it work with all sets, or just a handful? How much UHD content does Google and Vudu offer? It doesn't seem to me that Vudu offers as much UHD DV content as Apple, but my iTunes library is a bit larger.

My Dad had both the Ultra, which he returned, and the top of the line Roku, which he threw out. Yeah, he's 80, said it wasn't worth his time to try to return it, and just threw it out. Ha ha ha.

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I suppose I should not be surprised that a couple weeks after returning mine the beta would drop fixing a couple of its biggest flaws. Once the beta goes public I will pick one up again. Fact is, I liked it when I had it initially, but the forced HDR on SDR content and the musical chairs with titles adding and losing 4K HDR playback broke me. I have been following the store since I returned it to see if the musical chairs had finally stopped and it appears to have either stopped or slowed down at least. I would love to add the device back to my collection....
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I wasn't aware that Google finally updated the Ultra to work with Google Play and Vudu DV, as I was referencing non-Amazon/Netflix streaming services. So Google and Vudu content displays in DV? Does it work with all sets, or just a handful? How much UHD content does Google and Vudu offer? It doesn't seem to me that Vudu offers as much UHD DV content as Apple, but my iTunes library is a bit larger.

My Dad had both the Ultra, which he returned, and the top of the line Roku, which he threw out. Yeah, he's 80, said it wasn't worth his time to try to return it, and just threw it out. Ha ha ha.
Vudu has had DV content for two years & things like the Chromecast work with just about any display: https://forum.vudu.com/showthread.ph...e-Devices-List

The have 129 movies at present: https://www.vudu.com/movies/#featured/12434

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To bring this back on topic, I will say that I suspect Apple has more UHD content at this point, but I'm too lazy to count the titles and don't see a nice summary number like Vudu provides:

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1505495519

(and all one's Chromecast Ultra questions can be answered here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/39-net...-s-thread.html)
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Yay! Apple listened to its customers. tvOS 11.2 for the Apple TV 4K will feature automatic frame rate switching AND automatic SDR/HDR switching!

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/10/30...to-developers/

In that link there is this video which explains exactly how it will be handled. EXCELLENT! (Just the first few minutes is all you need watch unless you are a developer.)

https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/fall2017/503/

These are features the Apple TV 4K should have come with at release but BRAVO to Apple for addressing it relatively quickly!

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i'll probably get the Apple TV 4K once this new developer beta becomes standard for users.... i don't want to be a beta tester and my current Apple TV 4 plays 1080p beautifully..
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i'll probably get the Apple TV 4K once this new developer beta becomes standard for users.... i don't want to be a beta tester and my current Apple TV 4 plays 1080p beautifully..


I’d at least wait for public beta. This developer beta is working extremely well. When it becomes public, it will be nearly release ready.


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Is anyone using the 11.2 beta on a 7 series LG OLED? I’m at tvOS 11.0 and experiencing the issue with Dolby Vision being totally washed out at Brightness 50. I’m curious if the new software has corrected this.

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I have a personal rule of not buying anything unless it is fit for purpose.


Final Release is a broad brush in the software business but I get what you mean.


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Is anyone using the 11.2 beta on a 7 series LG OLED? I’m at tvOS 11.0 and experiencing the issue with Dolby Vision being totally washed out at Brightness 50. I’m curious if the new software has corrected this.
I've been using ATV4K since 11.0 (and now on 11.1 beta), and never had any issue with DV on my B7A. Colors and contrast look perfect. Something is wrong with your settings on TV IMHO...

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I've been using ATV4K since 11.0 (and now on 11.1 beta), and never had any issue with DV on my B7A. Colors and contrast look perfect. Something is wrong with your settings on TV IMHO...


Maybe it’s down to the C7 specifically, then, because other members with that exact model reported the same thing. For the record, I reset the Dolby Vision Cinema preset to default and the issue persists. Which DV preset are you using?

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Maybe it’s down to the C7 specifically, then, because other members with that exact model reported the same thing. For the record, I reset the Dolby Vision Cinema preset to default and the issue persists. Which DV preset are you using?
Are you going through AVR? If so check those settings.

If not, make sure you have Deep Color or whatever it is called set on the HDMI port you're using.
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Are you going through AVR? If so check those settings.



If not, make sure you have Deep Color or whatever it is called set on the HDMI port you're using.


No AVR, and Deep Color enabled. HDR Mode works flawlesssly.

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Maybe it’s down to the C7 specifically, then, because other members with that exact model reported the same thing. For the record, I reset the Dolby Vision Cinema preset to default and the issue persists. Which DV preset are you using?
2017 OLEDs B and C series are exactly the same video processing wise. The only difference are some sound related settings and bezel, so they should process video and look identical. I didn't play too much with settings, and only changed a couple of things (disabling energy saving, truemotion settings etc). Didn't touch brightness, gamma, etc... I'm usually running Bright Room for DV.

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2017 OLEDs B and C series are exactly the same video processing wise. The only difference are some sound related settings and bezel, so they should process video and look identical. I didn't play too much with settings, and only changed a couple of things (disabling energy saving, truemotion settings etc). Didn't touch brightness, gamma, etc... I'm usually running Bright Room for DV.


It’s odd, because this preset works fine with the built in Netflix app. So it’s something with the interaction of the Apple TV and the TV.

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It’s odd, because this preset works fine with the built in Netflix app. So it’s something with the interaction of the Apple TV and the TV.
Hm.. what is your video output set on ATV to? DV/60?

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Hm.. what is your video output set on ATV to? DV/60?


Happens on 60 and 24Hz. I’ve been using 24Hz because of the flashing issue at 60Hz. Is everyone not using the DV Cinema preset? Maybe it’s something to do with that...I assumed it was the “standard” so to speak.

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It’s odd, because this preset works fine with the built in Netflix app. So it’s something with the interaction of the Apple TV and the TV.
Usually, a washed out DV image means that the TV is not switching into DV mode correctly, when seeing a DV source.

This may not happen with built in apps, since they don't have to rely on EDID info in the HDMI connection to tell the TV what to do and the TV doesn't have to rely in interpreting that EDID info in the HDMI stream correctly. Bypassing that handshake and information exchange improves reliability greatly.

So, if the ATV is set to output 4kDV30 or 4kDV60, one might conclude the TV is not interpreting the EDID correctly.

I suppose there is a chance the ATV is not sending the right EDID or meta data but then other TV's would be having this trouble.

And of course there is a small chance that a particular ATV unit may be defective in some way.

Other than that, I am out of ideas...
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Happens on 60 and 24Hz. I’ve been using 24Hz because of the flashing issue at 60Hz. Is everyone not using the DV Cinema preset? Maybe it’s something to do with that...I assumed it was the “standard” so to speak.
I don't particularly like most Cinema modes due to pronounced yellow tint. Supposedly, it's closer to what "proper colors" should be, but to me any white that look ivory is not what I consider correctly displayed color. So, I usually tweak slightly around Medium or Warm 1 gamma in standard settings to see closer to life colors and not the cinematic (yellowish) look that lots of people like for movies.

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Usually, a washed out DV image means that the TV is not switching into DV mode correctly, when seeing a DV source.



This may not happen with built in apps, since they don't have to rely on EDID info in the HDMI connection to tell the TV what to do and the TV doesn't have to rely in interpreting that EDID info in the HDMI stream correctly. Bypassing that handshake and information exchange improves reliability greatly.



So, if the ATV is set to output 4kDV30 or 4kDV60, one might conclude the TV is not interpreting the EDID correctly.



I suppose there is a chance the ATV is not sending the right EDID or meta data but then other TV's would be having this trouble.



And of course there is a small chance that a particular ATV unit may be defective in some way.



Other than that, I am out of ideas...


Interesting. I know at least two other members reported the same issue a little while back...

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Interesting. I know at least two other members reported the same issue a little while back...


I wonder if there’s any chance of it being a problem with the HDMI cable...I bought the Belkin cable through Apple, and I’d imagine if it were the case, other modes would experience issues, but maybe it’s worth swapping out...

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Happens on 60 and 24Hz. I’ve been using 24Hz because of the flashing issue at 60Hz. Is everyone not using the DV Cinema preset? Maybe it’s something to do with that...I assumed it was the “standard” so to speak.
I found a fix for the flashing issue at DV/60 with C7/B7 LG. Turn "Trumotion" on and select the "User" settings. Then set both toggles to zero. This will fix the flashing and won't enable any "soap opera" effect. As far as DV being washed out, I've not seen anything like that with my ATV4K and C7. DV looks great, Stranger Things really shines on my set.
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I found a fix for the flashing issue at DV/60 with C7/B7 LG. Turn "Trumotion" on and select the "User" settings. Then set both toggles to zero. This will fix the flashing and won't enable any "soap opera" effect. As far as DV being washed out, I've not seen anything like that with my ATV4K and C7. DV looks great, Stranger Things really shines on my set.


Which DV Mode are you using?

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I don't particularly like most Cinema modes due to pronounced yellow tint. Supposedly, it's closer to what "proper colors" should be, but to me any white that look ivory is not what I consider correctly displayed color. So, I usually tweak slightly around Medium or Warm 1 gamma in standard settings to see closer to life colors and not the cinematic (yellowish) look that lots of people like for movies.


Pretty much everyone producing content masters to 6500k. If you want to see it the way it was produced, you set your display to whatever setting it has that produces that color temp.


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I found a fix for the flashing issue at DV/60 with C7/B7 LG. Turn "Trumotion" on and select the "User" settings. Then set both toggles to zero. This will fix the flashing and won't enable any "soap opera" effect. As far as DV being washed out, I've not seen anything like that with my ATV4K and C7. DV looks great, Stranger Things really shines on my set.


Maybe I should be more specific - are you seeing true black bars in DV content? The filmed picture itself is fine, but the bars fluctuate between varying levels of gray, never zero black. Specifically with Mindhunter on Netflix, there are scenes that look like an entry level LCD.

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I've been using ATV4K since 11.0 (and now on 11.1 beta), and never had any issue with DV on my B7A. Colors and contrast look perfect. Something is wrong with your settings on TV IMHO...
Similarly I've not seen any issues like this on my C7 (although I use an AVR) with the production release of tvOS 11, the public beta release or the latest beta release.

I might type 2K for 1080p.
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So I’ve been having a strange issue all of a sudden, I was streaming the deuce in hbo go and noticed a lot of compression artifacts, then the screen started to show pink lines and green screens, very similar to a graphics card over heating. Now the unit just steadily reboots it self, it prompted to reset all settings, I did that and now it just boots to an Apple logo on a black sceen.
It’s set at 4k SDR to a Yamaha RXA3060, and Samsung Hu9000. Back to the shield and Samsung Smart crApps for now I guess.

I am gonna try it on another tv tonight but I think it may be toast. Anyone else have a failing unit?
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