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Yes, to no avail. There’s a chance that my purchased content is zero black where it should be and that it’s just my imagination (it’s certainly close at any rate), but I can’t understand how anyone is claiming to no have no issues with Netflix on the ATV4K. The black levels are atrocious. Brighter scenes look fine of course, but any scenes taking place in the “Upside Down” in the current season of Stranger Things for example are honestly difficult for me to differentiate shapes in due to how washed out/compressed they are; they’re just a smearing of gray, along with the black bars, to the point where the picture looks full screen and not it’s actual aspect ratio. It has been reported that the ATV4K has issues with HDR black levels elsewhere on the thread, so I’m beginning to think it’s not my display thankfully. I will say that a few times during playback when the screen goes fully black, like in between scenes, I see zero black as I should.

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Stranger Things 2 Looks okay as hdr10 output. Can’t speak to DV because I don’t have a way to test.
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Indeed, I haven't seen anywhere that the HomePod will work like a Sonos system where you can assign channels to multiple speakers to work in tandem.
There are no reviews yet, however it was stated during the press preview, if two Homepods are in a room, they will sense each other and play in a Left/right stereo config. Can you put more than two in a room? We won’t know that answer until December. Airplay 2 seems to be next in the AppleTV betas. Maybe we’ll get an idea as to how this will all work soon.
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Yes, to no avail. There’s a chance that my purchased content is zero black where it should be and that it’s just my imagination (it’s certainly close at any rate), but I can’t understand how anyone is claiming to no have no issues with Netflix on the ATV4K. The black levels are atrocious. Brighter scenes look fine of course, but any scenes taking place in the “Upside Down” in the current season of Stranger Things for example are honestly difficult for me to differentiate shapes in due to how washed out/compressed they are; they’re just a smearing of gray, along with the black bars, to the point where the picture looks full screen and not it’s actual aspect ratio. It has been reported that the ATV4K has issues with HDR black levels elsewhere on the thread, so I’m beginning to think it’s not my display thankfully. I will say that a few times during playback when the screen goes fully black, like in between scenes, I see zero black as I should.


The Vizio P series is working perfectly with the ATV4k. Not rubbing it in just saying that it’s likely a problem with your model parsing the metadata. It will get worked out. I’d File a report w Apple.



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There are no reviews yet, however it was stated during the press preview, if two Homepods are in a room, they will sense each other and play in a Left/right stereo config. Can you put more than two in a room? We won’t know that answer until December. Airplay 2 seems to be next in the AppleTV betas. Maybe we’ll get an idea as to how this will all work soon.


Stranger Things Season 2 looks amazing in DolbyVision. Easily the best grading for anything produced for Netflix thus far. Vizio P75 is working perfectly w the new ATV4k running 11.2 beta. Black levels are perfect. Color rendition is fantastic.

Range and Frame Rate auto switching is working very well.


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Yes, to no avail. There’s a chance that my purchased content is zero black where it should be and that it’s just my imagination (it’s certainly close at any rate), but I can’t understand how anyone is claiming to no have no issues with Netflix on the ATV4K. The black levels are atrocious. Brighter scenes look fine of course, but any scenes taking place in the “Upside Down” in the current season of Stranger Things for example are honestly difficult for me to differentiate shapes in due to how washed out/compressed they are; they’re just a smearing of gray, along with the black bars, to the point where the picture looks full screen and not it’s actual aspect ratio. It has been reported that the ATV4K has issues with HDR black levels elsewhere on the thread, so I’m beginning to think it’s not my display thankfully. I will say that a few times during playback when the screen goes fully black, like in between scenes, I see zero black as I should.
I may have missed you saying this, but have you tried comparing the same scenes using the TV's on board Netflix app? I have a C6P and did some comparisons with ST2 in Dolby Vision between the tv app and the ATV4K. They look very similar on my set up, with maybe a bit more detail showing using the ATV4K. I'm not seeing any smearing in Stranger Things2 as of yet.
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Stranger Things Season 2 looks amazing in DolbyVision. Easily the best grading for anything produced for Netflix thus far. Vizio P75 is working perfectly w the new ATV4k running 11.2 beta. Black levels are perfect. Color rendition is fantastic.

Range and Frame Rate auto switching is working very well.


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Is the frame rate switching already working with Netflix and tvOS 11.2 beta? That would surprise me since the video on Apple's developer website suggests that there needs to be an active support of the feature in order to make the best use of it. Of course it could be that Netflix is always presenting the content in the original frame rate/HDR mode from the server to tvOS and it's just letting it handle it rather than doing a conversion.
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Is TVOS 11.1 still a beta release or is it now official? I ask because my apple tv 4 was updated to 11.1 and I dont have beta updates turned on. Anyone notice some flickering on 11.1 on the main menu when in Dolby Vision mode?
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Is the frame rate switching already working with Netflix and tvOS 11.2 beta? That would surprise me since the video on Apple's developer website suggests that there needs to be an active support of the feature in order to make the best use of it. Of course it could be that Netflix is always presenting the content in the original frame rate/HDR mode from the server to tvOS and it's just letting it handle it rather than doing a conversion.


I have auto Frame Rate set to ON and Strangers Things 2 syncs at 24mhz and The Five sync’s at 50mhz... so yes, I believe it’s working.


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You do realize you just answered your own question, don't you?
Yeah I do, but thank you for pointing it out 🤓. I’m looking forward to when the 11.2 is finally public. I do notice the flickering and I guess that is what I was more interested in.
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i just posted about this flickering, so far I only noticed this is main menu. I tried going back to TVOS 11.0 but it is installing 11.1 instead ugh.
I finally found a fix to the flickering with C7/B7 and ATV4K. Turn on "Trumotion" and select the user mode. Then set both sliders to zero. This will turn the flickering off without enabling the soap opera effect. Don't ask me how or why but it works. Good luck.
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I have auto Frame Rate set to ON and Strangers Things 2 syncs at 24mhz and The Five sync’s at 50mhz... so yes, I believe it’s working.


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Good to hear. I wonder what happens with apps like Plex or Infuse.

Stuff likes this makes me seriously debate about turning on the beta program for my ATV5 (I have a couple of Macs that participate).
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I finally found a fix to the flickering with C7/B7 and ATV4K. Turn on "Trumotion" and select the user mode. Then set both sliders to zero. This will turn the flickering off without enabling the soap opera effect. Don't ask me how or why but it works. Good luck.
Thanks I’ll try this when I get home.
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Yes, to no avail. There’s a chance that my purchased content is zero black where it should be and that it’s just my imagination (it’s certainly close at any rate), but I can’t understand how anyone is claiming to no have no issues with Netflix on the ATV4K. The black levels are atrocious. Brighter scenes look fine of course, but any scenes taking place in the “Upside Down” in the current season of Stranger Things for example are honestly difficult for me to differentiate shapes in due to how washed out/compressed they are; they’re just a smearing of gray, along with the black bars, to the point where the picture looks full screen and not it’s actual aspect ratio. It has been reported that the ATV4K has issues with HDR black levels elsewhere on the thread, so I’m beginning to think it’s not my display thankfully. I will say that a few times during playback when the screen goes fully black, like in between scenes, I see zero black as I should.
I think I'm now seeing what you're seeing. Not sure if it's always been there and I've not noticed it until now or if it's new. Is it possible is has to do with Netflix post processing they do to a lot of their titles and not really anything wrong with ATV or C7? I always go back to Chef's Table Season 3 as a dolby vision reference which still looks great to me. Overall I still think ST2 looks really good but I get what you're saying.
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I think I'm now seeing what you're seeing. Not sure if it's always been there and I've not noticed it until now or if it's new. Is it possible is has to do with Netflix post processing they do to a lot of their titles and not really anything wrong with ATV or C7? I always go back to Chef's Table Season 3 as a dolby vision reference which still looks great to me. Overall I still think ST2 looks really good but I get what you're saying.
I'm going to check out Chef's Table when I get home today. Are you seeing zero black bars when you watch it? That's all I'm concerned with; if the content itself is washed out then I would assume it's a mastering or processing issue. However, the black bars being washed out and not true black is a different story.
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Good to hear. I wonder what happens with apps like Plex or Infuse.

Stuff likes this makes me seriously debate about turning on the beta program for my ATV5 (I have a couple of Macs that participate).
Apps like Plex that use the default renderer will get this feature by default.

Apps like Infuse, that don't, will have to update their apps to make use of this feature.

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Did a bunch more testing on the Comedy Central app and switching between Netflix SDR and HDR content on tvOS 11.2 and fortunately have not encountered any bugs, at least on my setup.

Here's hoping they turn this one around and get a public release out there soon.

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Ah, must've missed it since I was just glancing that the live blog as it was going on. Seems like a waste to have two smart devices sitting next to one another and there will be numerous superior and cheaper alternatives to that but to each their own!
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Stranger Things Season 2 looks amazing in DolbyVision. Easily the best grading for anything produced for Netflix thus far. Vizio P75 is working perfectly w the new ATV4k running 11.2 beta. Black levels are perfect. Color rendition is fantastic.

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Great to know. What TV do you have?

I may try out 11.2b tonight ... is there a way to rollback to 11.1 if things don’t work out (just in case)?
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Great to know. What TV do you have?



I may try out 11.2b tonight ... is there a way to rollback to 11.1 if things don’t work out (just in case)?


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Did a bunch more testing on the Comedy Central app and switching between Netflix SDR and HDR content on tvOS 11.2 and fortunately have not encountered any bugs, at least on my setup.
Is it possible to run UI in SDR but run Drone Screensavers in HDR?
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Is it possible to run UI in SDR but run Drone Screensavers in HDR?
Unfortunately no, the OS stays in HDR if HDR is enabled.
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Unfortunately no, the OS stays in HDR if HDR is enabled.
With the autoswitching, is there any reason not to run it in HDR?

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I’m using on a B6 as well. Have found some lip sync issues with DV content (running via AVR) but weirdly not with HDR10 content. Also pleased with both HDR10 60Hz and DV 30Hz. Can I ask what motion settings you’re using? Finding some artefacts around moving objects in iTunes content which is a bit irritating at the moment.

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I cannot think of a reason, no.
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Apps like Plex that use the default renderer will get this feature by default.

Apps like Infuse, that don't, will have to update their apps to make use of this feature.
I just read on Firecore.com that Infuse will be updated to take advantage of the new feature. If you manually set your ATV5 to 24fps, then it will present your ripped 24 fps content properly for the time being. So there's that.
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With the autoswitching, is there any reason not to run it in HDR?
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I cannot think of a reason, no.
These may not matter to you but three or four occur to me: More power consumption on LCD/LED TV's, possibly image retention on OLED, and both increased energy consumption and increased lamp wear on projectors.

(I'm assuming that "accurate" color, grayscale and EOTF don't really matter for the screen savers or home screen, but if those do matter to you, and you have a TV that enters uncalibratable torch mode for HDR sources, I support that might be another reason.)
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