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In a follow-up @nathan_h notes the minute where the meta-data comparison is found.
kbmb linked me the video. I must have missed it. Sad news that it is doing it on the fly.

It does look like they do a decent job though, just wish they used a HDR10 core to close the gap since there are differences.
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It's true, the Vizio "P" series will show the actual resolution coming from the apps such as Netflix. If it is an HD only show, the display "Info" button will show 1080p and not 2160p. Other devices such as the Shield, Apple TV 4k, Chromecast Ultra will all report 2160p regardless of the actual resolution. The Vizio may up-convert everything but it still shows us what the actual resolution that it's receiving.
The same would hold true of the other devices you mentioned (except CCU, no way to change the resolution) if the device sent the default resolution to your TV. The TV just reports what is being sent from the device.

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The new update works like a charm to all of those on the fence hdr is hdr, sdr is sdr,24p,50 and 60p!

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The new update works like a charm to all of those on the fence hdr is hdr, sdr is sdr,24p,50 and 60p!
I'll update once I get home tonight. MUCH better experience IMHO.

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An observation for everyone from my experience with 11.2 beta. The volume levels have improved for titles playing out of iTunes. Not sure what’s changed but I’m running 10dB lower than previous and getter better center channel separation for dialogue.


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The new update works like a charm to all of those on the fence hdr is hdr, sdr is sdr,24p,50 and 60p!
I'm thinking of picking up my first apple tv tonight. How do I download the public beta ? Also, I have a Yamaha receiver, so I guess I have to settle for hdr, until my receiver can pass Dolby Vison.

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I'm thinking of picking up my first apple tv tonight. How do I download the public beta ? Also, I have a Yamaha receiver, so I guess I have to settle for hdr, until my receiver can pass Dolby Vison.
Sign up here: https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/
Use the same Apple ID you use on the ATV. You'll get a new option under Updates to enroll in Beta. Turn this on and you'll start getting beta updates.
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Appreciate the input. So they added in auto framerate and auto hdr/sdr switching but not resolution?
That's not quite how it works. If you ask the ATV to send 1080 to what appears to be a 1080 sink but the display is actually 4K the display will convert it to 4K (because no one wants to see a quarter size image in the middle of the screen) while if you ask the ATV 4K to send a 1080 source to a 4K sink the ATV 4K will convert it 4K.

Like sending PCM instead of a bitstream this may not matter unless there's some display specific processing that you like (e.g. auto HDR) that's only triggered by 1080. Other than that it's simple 2x scaling which that should be hard to get wrong.
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An observation for everyone from my experience with 11.2 beta. The volume levels have improved for titles playing out of iTunes. Not sure what’s changed but I’m running 10dB lower than previous and getter better center channel separation for dialogue.


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This is seriously great news!!!!! I've been missing my 3rd gen ATV for this one single thing. Thank you for sharing.
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Appreciate the input. So they added in auto framerate and auto hdr/sdr switching but not resolution? Seems like an odd omission and reason enough to stick with my built in apps for now.
I noticed that also but you can get it to output HD instead of 4K at the expense of the menus and screen saver not being 4K.

If you set the main rate to 1080 SDR 60 Hz ATV will not upscale 1080 content. In this mode when you play 4K content ATV WILL switch to 4k output.

ATV WILL upscale SD to 1080 then the TV rescales that to 4K. This technically violates the "never scale twice" rule but in this case a 2:1 rescale would be hard to mess up or even notice unless you are very close to the TV.
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Tried the public beta. I'm very impressed. At least on my setup with a Denon AVR and LG B6P the transitions changing refresh rate and dynamic range are short and smooth.

Here's what I've found so far from my Home Screen in SDR/60:

Netflix: Everything seems to be switching perfectly.
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iTunes: This is working fine too
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Hulu, Showtime, and Starz all switch nicely to SDR/24

HBO seems stuck at SDR/60

Plex: Sort of works
Direct Play from m4v works fine
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Infuse isn't ready yet, they'll need a release as they use their own player.
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I'm just assuming my $2500 display will do a better job than the $250 ATV.
You shouldn't. It's simple scaling that's probably done by a video processor SOC. It could even be the "same" one Apple uses since they keep that a secret.

The cost of your display is dominated by the panel.

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The same would hold true of the other devices you mentioned (except CCU, no way to change the resolution) if the device sent the default resolution to your TV. The TV just reports what is being sent from the device.
My Shield will show 2160p for everything even if it's SD content. The Apple TV 4k will send everything as 2160p but will correctly show HD when using the "swipe down" or "arrow down".
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Apple is offering a high speed Belkin HDMI cabel with 48gbit/s. Other cables only offer 18gbit/s. is it important to use the 48gbit/s cable? In the Apple TV 4k settings it says that you need a high speed HDMI cable for chroma 4:2:2

this is the cable recommended by Apple for the ATV 4k: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/H...-hdmi-cable-2m
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Apple is offering a high speed Belkin HDMI cabel with 48gbit/s. Other cables only offer 18gbit/s. is it important to use the 48gbit/s cable? In the Apple TV 4k settings it says that you need a high speed HDMI cable for chroma 4:2:2

this is the cable recommended by Apple for the ATV 4k: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/H...-hdmi-cable-2m
Premium Certified 18Gbps cables are fine.
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I'm thinking of picking up my first apple tv tonight. How do I download the public beta ? Also, I have a Yamaha receiver, so I guess I have to settle for hdr, until my receiver can pass Dolby Vison.
I’m also waiting for my Denon receiver to get the DV update. Meanwhile I’m connecting the ATV directly to the TV and getting DD back to my amp via optical. OK solution for now.

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Alright. I came home and looked through a cardboard tube held up to the black bars at Brightness 50 for SDR, HDR and Dolby Vision purchased content from iTunes. Dolby Vision glows at Brightness 50. Neither HDR nor SDR glow at 50. The fact that HDR doesn’t have this issue leads me to believe it’s a flaw with the Apple TV’s DV implementation, but if no one else is seeing this then I’m stumped. ALSO, I’m not sure if would be a factor, but I’ve disabled ABL in the service menu.

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Well, it's nice to see the source specific HDR and Dolby Vision pop ups on the tv now.

Next step: Dolby Atmos. Please?
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Apple is offering a high speed Belkin HDMI cabel with 48gbit/s.
48Gbps is HDMI 2.1 speed. There are no retail HDMI 2.1 devices, including the ATV 4K so there's no assurance this cable will be "future-proof". If you can get one for the same price as the equivalent Premium Certified HDMI 2.0 cable then it might be worthwhile. Or not, it depends on non-technical issues.
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Next step: Dolby Atmos.Please?
What's your Atmos set-up? Have you tried an up mix to Dolby Surround or DTS Neural:X? Regardless, I would have to imagine with HomePod on the horizon, an update will be in the near future.

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Apple is offering a high speed Belkin HDMI cabel with 48gbit/s. Other cables only offer 18gbit/s. is it important to use the 48gbit/s cable? In the Apple TV 4k settings it says that you need a high speed HDMI cable for chroma 4:2:2
This is the cable I'm using hand-in-hand with the Vizio-Supplied HDMI cable, and it works as advertised, 4K Dolby Vision @60hz with chroma as 4:2:2; chroma also at 4:4:4. It's $30, but many have had success with cheaper cables from Amazon and Monoprice. No word if the HDMI port in the ATV4K is upgradable, so just be prepared to upgrade in the near future for HDMI 2.1.

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Apple is offering a high speed Belkin HDMI cabel with 48gbit/s. Other cables only offer 18gbit/s. is it important to use the 48gbit/s cable? In the Apple TV 4k settings it says that you need a high speed HDMI cable for chroma 4:2:2

this is the cable recommended by Apple for the ATV 4k: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/H...-hdmi-cable-2m
As mentioned, premium 18gbps cables should be fine. I have both the belkin cable you've linked, as well as some bluejeans HDMI premium cables, and with my vizio e65 e1 I still cant get 4:2:2 chroma for the apple tv regardless of which cable I'm using. 4:2:0 is I guess what I get.
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What's your Atmos set-up? Have you tried an up mix to Dolby Surround or DTS Neural:X? Regardless, I would have to imagine with HomePod on the horizon, an update will be in the near future.
I have a Yamaha A760, using 5.1.2, which is still waiting for the DV update. I'm running the ATV straight to the TV for now (so I can at least experience DV), and optical out to the receiver from the tv. I do use Dolby Surround or Neural:X sometimes depending on the source. Just hoping that once the receiver gets the Dolby update, running everything through it will go smooth.
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Vudu has had DV content for two years & things like the Chromecast work with just about any display.
Yes, I've had Vudu via Vizio with DV, but for some reason my Dad had issues with the CCU and Vudu app w/o DV about this time last year, something about a firmware update, and he couldn't update it, whatever, he returned it back then, made do with his TV apps and now has an ATV4K.

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Does anyone know on an LG 2016 OLED how to display what refresh rate it is currently in and/or bit depth?
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I have a Yamaha A760, using 5.1.2, which is still waiting for the DV update. I'm running the ATV straight to the TV for now (so I can at least experience DV), and optical out to the receiver from the tv. I do use Dolby Surround or Neural:X sometimes depending on the source. Just hoping that once the receiver gets the Dolby update, running everything through it will go smooth.
The Denon in my sig was updated a few months ago and it's pretty smooth, no issues with DV, and now that the Vizio has been updated for HLG, good to go there as well via pass-thru. I switch between both depending on the title, and have to say, if you have an Atmos setup, it's not Atmos, but it's not too shabby.

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This is the cable I'm using hand-in-hand with the Vizio-Supplied HDMI cable, and it works as advertised, 4K Dolby Vision @60hz with chroma as 4:2:2; chroma also at 4:4:4. It's $30, but many have had success with cheaper cables from Amazon and Monoprice. No word if the HDMI port in the ATV4K is upgradable, so just be prepared to upgrade in the near future for HDMI 2.1.


You have the option for 4K Dolby Vision 60Hz 4:4:4?

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I noticed that also but you can get it to output HD instead of 4K at the expense of the menus and screen saver not being 4K.



If you set the main rate to 1080 SDR 60 Hz ATV will not upscale 1080 content. In this mode when you play 4K content ATV WILL switch to 4k output.



ATV WILL upscale SD to 1080 then the TV rescales that to 4K. This technically violates the "never scale twice" rule but in this case a 2:1 rescale would be hard to mess up or even notice unless you are very close to the TV.


Where have you found plain 4K SDR content in the Apple TV? I just set my baseline to 1080p, and realized I own no movies in 4K that aren’t HDR. So I checked Netflix, and when I have my ATV set to 1080p, all their content is labeled as HD only, including the HDR stuff.

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Perhaps this issue has been noted on this thread.

When Netflix Mindhunter end credits appear the screen goes dark grey and then black and so on.
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