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You have the option for 4K Dolby Vision 60Hz 4:4:4?
Yes, my set is capable, but I believe you need to use the Computer setting in place of Normal to achieve 4:4:4. If I select 4K SDR, it displays 4:4:4 in Settings:Video and Audio. FYI: I'm using the Belkin cable via Denon with Vizio cable to Vizio.

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Yes, my set is capable, but I believe you need to use the Computer setting in place of Normal to achieve 4:4:4. If I select 4K SDR, it displays 4:4:4 in Settings:Video and Audio.


Right, not 60Hz DV 4:4:4...

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Not sure about LG, but your AVR should provide info re: HDMI signal info.
That's what I've been using, my AVR.

My old LG used to have the feature too but I haven't been able to find it on the new OLED at all. I thought it might be a bit easier than digging through the menus to it on my AVR.
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Perhaps this issue has been noted on this thread.



When Netflix Mindhunter end credits appear the screen goes dark grey and then black and so on.

Anyone seen this?


I’ve seen this on the Apple TV and my lg built in app. But only happens in DV. Not in hdr10
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Right, not 60Hz DV 4:4:4...
My set does 4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 via Rtings: http://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/chroma-subsampling. As far as confirming if it can be achieved with DV active, not sure, but I don't believe it would provide a benefit with existing video content. Perhaps someone else could chime in.

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That's what I've been using, my AVR.

My old LG used to have the feature too but I haven't been able to find it on the new OLED at all. I thought it might be a bit easier than digging through the menus to it on my AVR.
I think the newer LG's don't have that feature anymore. I noticed the same thing when I got a new LG OLED earlier in the year (2016 model)

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My set does 4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 via Rtings: http://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/chroma-subsampling. As far as confirming if it can be achieved with DV active, not sure, but I don't believe it would provide a benefit with existing video content. Perhaps someone else could chime in.


I gotcha. Dolby Vision is what should cancel out 4:4:4. I don’t believe the Apple TV can output that Dynamic Range at that Chroma. It can do 4K SDR at 4:4:4, though.
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That's what I've been using, my AVR.

My old LG used to have the feature too but I haven't been able to find it on the new OLED at all. I thought it might be a bit easier than digging through the menus to it on my AVR.
Vizio provides info via a selectable Status Bar, but not Hz or bit, and neither does the SmartCast app unless they've added it, which is why I check the Denon for the above and color space.

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An observation for everyone from my experience with 11.2 beta. The volume levels have improved for titles playing out of iTunes. Not sure what’s changed but I’m running 10dB lower than previous and getter better center channel separation for dialogue.


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I just noticed that as well! Been asking for this since the last version! Great update all around.
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I’m really enjoying the switching to 50hz with all the European content available on Netflix the motion is much better.

Now we need Amazon I don’t like Amazon on my shield.
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Just updated to the 11.2 beta. First off, signing up for the tvOS beta is way simpler than other betas. Just flipped a switch in the setting menu. Also, dynamic range switching has been great so far. I’ve got frame matching on, but is there a way to actually check what is being displayed? Lg C7
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Well, it's nice to see the source specific HDR and Dolby Vision pop ups on the tv now.

Next step: Dolby Atmos. Please?
I agree, I would prefer Dolby Atmos more so than native resolution. Anyone have Vudu/Atmos capability? A good example would be comparing "Annabelle: Creation" on Vudu w/ Atmos and then come to the Apple TV 4k device and watch it there. The Atmos on Vudu makes a great difference on this title.
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Just updated to the 11.2 beta. First off, signing up for the tvOS beta is way simpler than other betas. Just flipped a switch in the setting menu. Also, dynamic range switching has been great so far. I’ve got frame matching on, but is there a way to actually check what is being displayed? Lg C7
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Updated to 11.2 & works as advertised! Agree w/big re:what is being displayed. Thanks All!


I’m connected to my AVR which states the incoming frame rate.

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did anybody make a picture quality comparison with a LG B6/B7 using the internal player and the AppleTV playing a 4k bluray rip?
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I’m still getting weird stuff with DV content. The mindhunter gray flicker happens on both the internal player and the ATV4k. But a lot of DV movies get grayish bars in dark scenes (ending of Wonder Woman) on the ATV4k but look fine on built in vudu app.


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That's what I've been using, my AVR.



My old LG used to have the feature too but I haven't been able to find it on the new OLED at all. I thought it might be a bit easier than digging through the menus to it on my AVR.


If I recall correctly, you can click on HDMI input logo when it comes up in the top left corner - it should give you some signal info


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Got the beta thanks guys for the update link. Love the aptv 4k so far no issues yet. Atmos would make iit untouchable.
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If I recall correctly, you can click on HDMI input logo when it comes up in the top left corner - it should give you some signal info
It will tell you the resolution, aspect ratio, and audio format but not the refresh rate or bit depth.
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I’m still getting weird stuff with DV content. The mindhunter gray flicker happens on both the internal player and the ATV4k. But a lot of DV movies get grayish bars in dark scenes (ending of Wonder Woman) on the ATV4k but look fine on built in vudu app.


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Mindhunter (and really all Netflix content aside) is your DV Brightness at 50? I don’t get true black bars until Brightness 48. Trying to figure this out myself - seems confined to Dolby Vision content.
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Yeah right now my brightness is at 50 on Cinema (user). But Wonder Woman on vudu gets black bars on that setting, and most DV movies on iTunes do too. But every once in a while this problem comes up. The example with Wonder Woman is confusing me the most. All settings are the same, but vudu looks much better in regards to the bars.


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Did a bunch more testing on the Comedy Central app and switching between Netflix SDR and HDR content on tvOS 11.2 and fortunately have not encountered any bugs, at least on my setup.



Here's hoping they turn this one around and get a public release out there soon.







Ah, must've missed it since I was just glancing that the live blog as it was going on. Seems like a waste to have two smart devices sitting next to one another and there will be numerous superior and cheaper alternatives to that but to each their own!
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Yeah right now my brightness is at 50 on Cinema (user). But Wonder Woman on vudu gets black bars on that setting, and most DV movies on iTunes do too. But every once in a while this problem comes up. The example with Wonder Woman is confusing me the most. All settings are the same, but vudu looks much better in regards to the bars.


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There’s definitely variances between sources, which I’ve seen, too, so I’m fairly certain it’s the Apple TV and not the TV. What I did was make my room completely dark, held a toilet paper tube up tightly to the black bars for an iTunes DV purchase, and looked through it with my other eye closed. I had selected the slider for Brightness so I could move it by clicks on the remote without taking my eye away. I moved it back and forth until I could find the level that produced true black. I’d bet money if you did the same with Wonder Woman you’d see glow above Brightness 48.

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Hopefully no one in their right mind would have them “sitting next to one another.”
Two "ambient AI" devices in the same room alone may as well be "sitting next to one another" IMO.
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There’s definitely variances between sources, which I’ve seen, too, so I’m fairly certain it’s the Apple TV and not the TV. What I did was make my room completely dark, held a toilet paper tube up tightly to the black bars for an iTunes DV purchase, and looked through it with my other eye closed. I had selected the slider for Brightness so I could move it by clicks on the remote without taking my eye away. I moved it back and forth until I could find the level that produced true black. I’d bet money if you did the same with Wonder Woman you’d see glow above Brightness 48.


Yeah turning down the brightness helps a little, but can still see lighter bars on certain scenes. In particular in WW during the battle on the watch tower towards the end. Still looks good on Vudu though. Also checked some more Netflix DV content. End of Stranger Things S2E2 where someone goes into a almost completely black scene (trying to avoid any sort of spoiler). Black background looks grayer on ATV4k vs built in app. Also get a slight gray “flash” before they enter the dark area on the ATV4k that I don’t get on the built in.


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There’s definitely variances between sources, which I’ve seen, too, so I’m fairly certain it’s the Apple TV and not the TV.
I can tell you there are threads in various forums regarding the issues you are experiencing with UHD/DV discs and LG sets, so this is most likely not an ATV4K issue, but a DV/LG combo issue.

The solution as you note is to set Brightness to 48 or below and/or use Dolby Vision Dark; do a Google search and I'm sure you'll find what you are looking for specific to your set.
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Yeah turning down the brightness helps a little, but can still see lighter bars on certain scenes. In particular in WW during the battle on the watch tower towards the end. Still looks good on Vudu though. Also checked some more Netflix DV content. End of Stranger Things S2E2 where someone goes into a almost completely black scene (trying to avoid any sort of spoiler). Black background looks grayer on ATV4k vs built in app. Also get a slight gray “flash” before they enter the dark area on the ATV4k that I don’t get on the built in.


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Yep, Netflix has been awful for black and also consistency. I too noticed varying degrees of darkness in DV (Arrival) until I hit full black at 48 - it doesn’t seem to elevate out of that, regardless...I’m just glad someone else is confirming this. I’m sure it’s just something in the software that needs to be patched. Unfortunately, I have the 11.2 beta installed and that’s what I’ve been using to observe all this.

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Yep, Netflix has been awful for black and also consistency. I too noticed varying degrees of darkness in DV (Arrival) until I hit full black at 48 - it doesn’t seem to elevate out of that, regardless...I’m just glad someone else is confirming this. I’m sure it’s just something in the software that needs to be patched. Unfortunately, I have the 11.2 beta installed and that’s what I’ve been using to observe all this.
Are you using subtitles by any chance?

Could be unrelated but during my last business trip I had a some Mindhunters episodes downloaded from Netflix in HDR on my iPad and the subtitles would wreak havoc on the black levels on the display.
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My set does 4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 via Rtings: http://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/chroma-subsampling. As far as confirming if it can be achieved with DV active, not sure, but I don't believe it would provide a benefit with existing video content. Perhaps someone else could chime in.
That’s at 8-bit color though. You need 10 or 12 for HDR10/DV.
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Are you using subtitles by any chance?



Could be unrelated but during my last business trip I had a some Mindhunters episodes downloaded from Netflix in HDR on my iPad and the subtitles would wreak havoc on the black levels on the display.


Nope, I’m not. Plus the iPad is LCD, so you could still see it looking worse than usual, but you’d never see zero black anyway. It’s very easy to see glowing black on the OLED once you get used to not seeing it.

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