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Will purchasing The Dark Knight trilogy on sale for $35 now on iTunes give 4K HDR?

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Yes, that's what I did and I got all 3 titles in 4k when viewing on Apple TV 4k. I didn't think the video was great on "Batman Begins" and I haven't seen the other two yet.

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When I bought the Dark Night trilogy all the movies appeared as HD. 2 days later they are all appearing as 4K HDR. Same thing happened with Interstellar.
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I'm noticing odd "flashes" of distorted images in the menus (and maybe during content as well). These occur maybe every 20 seconds or so. I've seen this reported here before, and was wondering if there was a fix / setting or update I missed?



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- Apple TV 4K running 4k @ 60Hz Dolby Vision

- LG Oled 65 inch B7A



Thanks!


Does it happen at 4K @ 30 Hz ? Are you connected directly to the TV (if not , try that out).


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There was an update to the Amazon app today stating there is now 5.1 audio on all UHD titles with HD and SD coming soon.
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Anybody else think 4k hdr on netflix looks like crap? I could excuse it for lower resolution/bitrate but a lot of their shows have the black level off too. The ranch for instance looks dim and has an elevated black level to me. Punisher less so, but even it wasn't great, and OMG it has horrible film grain.

Maybe I'm just too damn picky, but the 4k hdr stuff in itunes and then 4k hdr games on xbox one x look great. So I'm hesitant to blame my projector (jvc rs640). I think I might try out amazon too to see if it's just netflix or all 3rd party apps on my atv.
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Yes, that's what I did and I got all 3 titles in 4k when viewing on Apple TV 4k. I didn't think the video was great on "Batman Begins" and I haven't seen the other two yet.

Same experience, Batman Begins looks like I'm watching a DVD, hopefully Apple sorts this out in the next few days.
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Anybody else think 4k hdr on netflix looks like crap? I could excuse it for lower resolution/bitrate but a lot of their shows have the black level off too. The ranch for instance looks dim and has an elevated black level to me. Punisher less so, but even it wasn't great, and OMG it has horrible film grain.
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Anybody else think 4k hdr on netflix looks like crap? I could excuse it for lower resolution/bitrate but a lot of their shows have the black level off too. The ranch for instance looks dim and has an elevated black level to me. Punisher less so, but even it wasn't great, and OMG it has horrible film grain.

All the Marvel shows are super grainy, that's just the way they are shot/produced.
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There was an update to the Amazon app today stating there is now 5.1 audio on all UHD titles with HD and SD coming soon.
I tried an HD title last night on the Amazon app and got 5.1 so I'm thinking it may have been fixed?

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Same experience, Batman Begins looks like I'm watching a DVD, hopefully Apple sorts this out in the next few days.
I wonder how people that bought the 4k disc think about the video quality? Is it the encode or is it just Apple? How about those that watched it on Vudu?

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Anybody else think 4k hdr on netflix looks like crap? I could excuse it for lower resolution/bitrate but a lot of their shows have the black level off too. The ranch for instance looks dim and has an elevated black level to me. Punisher less so, but even it wasn't great, and OMG it has horrible film grain.

Maybe I'm just too damn picky, but the 4k hdr stuff in itunes and then 4k hdr games on xbox one x look great. So I'm hesitant to blame my projector (jvc rs640). I think I might try out amazon too to see if it's just netflix or all 3rd party apps on my atv.
Yesterday I picked up a Roku Streaming Stick+, because I just can't leave well enough alone. I ran the same scene (in Punisher actually) on the ATV, my TV's app, and the Roku. The ATV had noticeably less "pop" in the light bulbs and computers screens etc. I couldn't "side by side", more like one after another, so all I had was my recall cycling through, but I couldn't notice a distinct difference between my TV app and the Roku, but the ATV was definitely more muted in the highlights.

I did the same thing between Roku (Vudu) and the ATV on Sully, and really couldn't pick up a distinct difference like I could on Netflix, but I didn't spend much time with it. I didn't compare Amazon yet.

I wouldn't call the ATV Netflix picture on Punisher crap, other than the intentional crappiness of filling it with grain and not being very colorful, but the lesser highlights were noticeable and that is my favorite part of HDR. Full disclosure...my TV doesn't do DV so I was working with HDR10...so YMMV. I will probably be watching Netflix HDR on my Roku or TV going forward.

That said, on Netflix and Hulu, on some SDR content, I actually prefer the "upscaled" HDR that the ATV sends to my TV when I don't have native dynamic range set. Future Man on Hulu and Dark on Netflix in particular. That's probably scandalous, but I liked it. I like how it looks on WatchESPN as well.
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This might be too specific, but I'll give it a try.

Has anyone with an HDR10 non-DV television compared picture quality between ATV's Dolby Vision movies (converted to HDR10) versus "native" HDR10 on Vudu, Ultra, FandangoNow, etc through a Roku or TV app?

My TV is not Dolby Vision, so I've been a little bit concerned around the idea that when I choose a movie in Dolby Version, I'm getting some kind of converted to HDR10 stream. I've heard some people say the HDR10 is just extracted, but it looks like it's converted somehow, and maybe that conversion is not as good.

I think the only thing in my collection that I have HDR in two places (iTunes and Vudu) is Sully...I tried to compare and I'm not sure that's a great move for comparison.
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... I've been a little bit concerned around the idea that when I choose a movie in Dolby Version, I'm getting some kind of converted to HDR10 stream.
Yes you are.

There's always a chance that, like a disc, streaming DV is meta-data with an HDR10 base layer but:
1) The specs for the ATV profile seem to say no.
2) The meta-data from a DV to HDR10 conversion isn't constant which would seem to violate HDR10.

Fortunately point 2 doesn't seem to cause a problem with displays. Perhaps rendering engines ignore all luminance meta-data after the first valid packet. However I will now watch a native HDR10 feature and see what my Vertex reports.

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Yesterday I picked up a Roku Streaming Stick+, because I just can't leave well enough alone. I ran the same scene (in Punisher actually) on the ATV, my TV's app, and the Roku. The ATV had noticeably less "pop" in the light bulbs and computers screens etc. I couldn't "side by side", more like one after another, so all I had was my recall cycling through, but I couldn't notice a distinct difference between my TV app and the Roku, but the ATV was definitely more muted in the highlights.

I did the same thing between Roku (Vudu) and the ATV on Sully, and really couldn't pick up a distinct difference like I could on Netflix, but I didn't spend much time with it. I didn't compare Amazon yet.

I wouldn't call the ATV Netflix picture on Punisher crap, other than the intentional crappiness of filling it with grain and not being very colorful, but the lesser highlights were noticeable and that is my favorite part of HDR. Full disclosure...my TV doesn't do DV so I was working with HDR10...so YMMV. I will probably be watching Netflix HDR on my Roku or TV going forward.

That said, on Netflix and Hulu, on some SDR content, I actually prefer the "upscaled" HDR that the ATV sends to my TV when I don't have native dynamic range set. Future Man on Hulu and Dark on Netflix in particular. That's probably scandalous, but I liked it. I like how it looks on WatchESPN as well.
I got the same HDR10 limitations. However, the grain absolutely does look bad on my 135" screen. On my 4k sdr tv downstairs which is only 85" it's not noticeable. I can live with grain if it's from an older movie or something but there shouldn't be grain in anything recent. It's like they artificially added it for some unknown reason. It's not like the punisher it's some artsy piece either. There is absolutely zero reason for it to be there.

I might tinker around with my xbox one x some on the netflix side. The picture is definitely different and likely has more pop, but I swear the bitrate must be lower or something. I guess I just need to pick my preference. My xbox does have atmos which is nice..
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I got the same HDR10 limitations. However, the grain absolutely does look bad on my 135" screen. On my 4k sdr tv downstairs which is only 85" it's not noticeable. I can live with grain if it's from an older movie or something but there shouldn't be grain in anything recent. It's like they artificially added it for some unknown reason. It's not like the punisher it's some artsy piece either. There is absolutely zero reason for it to be there.



I might tinker around with my xbox one x some on the netflix side. The picture is definitely different and likely has more pop, but I swear the bitrate must be lower or something. I guess I just need to pick my preference. My xbox does have atmos which is nice..


It’s not for some unknown reason. They are trying to emulate film and feel that the grain “adds” to the picture. The problem in most cases is that many people are viewing these movies and shows and think that everything should look like the demos that run at stores or they can watch on YouTube. Even with HDR (regardless of flavor) and 4K people still have to deal with creator intent.
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I got the same HDR10 limitations. However, the grain absolutely does look bad on my 135" screen. On my 4k sdr tv downstairs which is only 85" it's not noticeable. I can live with grain if it's from an older movie or something but there shouldn't be grain in anything recent. It's like they artificially added it for some unknown reason. It's not like the punisher it's some artsy piece either. There is absolutely zero reason for it to be there.

I might tinker around with my xbox one x some on the netflix side. The picture is definitely different and likely has more pop, but I swear the bitrate must be lower or something. I guess I just need to pick my preference. My xbox does have atmos which is nice..
That grain is just there, it's in all the Marvel shows (and a few others...The OA if I remember), and it's atrocious. It's been discussed ad nauseum on the HDR Titles thread, with the general consensus that yes it was artificially added. I just can't believe how HEAVY it is. Sometimes it looks like the days when you had an antenna not quite dialed in and watched through the white noise. It's terrible.

There's no getting rid of it, it's baked in. It's perfectly possible that it's much more visible with the ATV, but it's been remarked upon with all HDR displays and all Netflix sources. I'm shocked it's not noticeable at 85" in SDR, but maybe the HDR grade brings it out more? In any event, the grain is not an ATV issue.

Try out She's Gotta Have it on Netflix instead. That's some razor sharp stuff right there...
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Yes you are.

There's always a chance that, like a disc, streaming DV is meta-data with an HDR10 base layer but:
1) The specs for the ATV profile seem to say no.
2) The meta-data from a DV to HDR10 conversion isn't constant which would seem to violate HDR10.

Fortunately point 2 doesn't seem to cause a problem with displays. Perhaps rendering engines ignore all luminance meta-data after the first valid packet. However I will now watch a native HDR10 feature and see what my Vertex reports.
Thanks, that would be great. That conversion (vs a base layer) seems to be the consensus...what I don't know is if I should be particularly concerned about the picture quality. If it's a distinction without difference, I'll be fine with it...it doesn't bother me if it's not "proper" if it's not really a visible difference. But it seems like it would...I probably have to do a bunch of A/B testing...just wondering if anyone has already done that.
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When I bought the Dark Night trilogy all the movies appeared as HD. 2 days later they are all appearing as 4K HDR. Same thing happened with Interstellar.
so can you buy the HD versions of these directly on itunes right now and get the 4k hdr?
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so can you buy the HD versions of these directly on itunes right now and get the 4k hdr?
It's using Apple upgrade program where if you redeem a digital code or buy directly from iTunes in HD, it will automatically upgrade to 4k when it becomes available. You can only watch it on the Apple TV 4k and it won't port to other retailers. I bought the HD Dark Knight trilogy from iTunes and I can watch them on my Apple TV 4k in 4k but it still shows these items as HD only on Vudu.
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However I will now watch a native HDR10 feature and see what my Vertex reports.
I watched three HDR10 features. Each displayed static luminance data. Two were as expected but one (Deadpool) reported 9,931/994. So sad.

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Hi all,

I'm noticing odd "flashes" of distorted images in the menus (and maybe during content as well). These occur maybe every 20 seconds or so. I've seen this reported here before, and was wondering if there was a fix / setting or update I missed?

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- LG Oled 65 inch B7A

Thanks!
If you turn off Dolby Vision, do the flashes go away? I had this issue (and sparkly image) in DV until I got a different HDMI cable. No issues in HDR10. Also, not all 18gbps cables are the same, so make sure to get a reasonably good one.
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Kind of surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet in here:
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I watched three HDR10 features. Each displayed static luminance data. Two were as expected but one (Deadpool) reported 9,931/994. So sad.


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That doesn't make any sense. You could verify tunneling back through your purchase history under your ID in settings that you do really, really have it. If you bought DVD grade copy it would still at least be HDR of DV at Apple's 2228 pixel wide version for non-4K HDR.

I have Movies Anywhere of DKR and it stupidly shows as 4K in my movies section, but of course HD from the pulldown on Apple TV. On Apple TV it is not in 4K/HDR section, but TDK from MA is on my iPad in Dolby Vision in the HDR section of my TV app library (iPads at best used 2228 pixel wide, but HDR/DV is stunning.)

Your copy is behaving like movies anywhere copy on Apple TV plain and simple.
I'm in the same boat with many of my movies. I used Vudu for the past few years. Now with Movies Anywhere I have tons of titles that show up in my Purchased list on ATV4K. I've been purchasing upgrades as iTunes has allowed. However, I have several titles that are available in 4K HDR or DV on iTunes, but I cannot upgrade. For example, I own the original "Ghostbusters" or "Inception" through UV redemption on Vudu. I can play them in HD, but there appears to be no option to purchase an upgrade.

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I'm in the same boat with many of my movies. I used Vudu for the past few years. Now with Movies Anywhere I have tons of titles that show up in my Purchased list on ATV4K. I've been purchasing upgrades as iTunes has allowed. However, I have several titles that are available in 4K HDR or DV on iTunes, but I cannot upgrade. For example, I own the original "Ghostbusters" or "Inception" through UV redemption on Vudu. I can play them in HD, but there appears to be no option to purchase an upgrade.

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I'm in the same boat with many of my movies. I used Vudu for the past few years. Now with Movies Anywhere I have tons of titles that show up in my Purchased list on ATV4K. I've been purchasing upgrades as iTunes has allowed. However, I have several titles that are available in 4K HDR or DV on iTunes, but I cannot upgrade. For example, I own the original "Ghostbusters" or "Inception" through UV redemption on Vudu. I can play them in HD, but there appears to be no option to purchase an upgrade.



Any suggestions?


Go thru yesterday's posts regarding this topic. You have to gift the upgraded version (at full price) to yourself in order to upgrade something in your library. It won't let you just straight-up re-purchase the movie from the normal "Buy" screen in iTunes.
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What does that mean?
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Sorry, just saw the last page before I posted with no mentions, I missed that one...apologies
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