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I'm talking about the stock Apple TV 4K screensavers that were shot in HDR. I was under the impression that they'd be downconverted to SDR along with the menu if I chose default as 4K SDR. Are you saying that's not the case and that if they were shot in HDR they'll still appear in HDR?


No, they will be SDR.
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Speaking of the aerial screensavers, I was hanging out with some friends the other week and we had some music playing while the screensavers ran and I realized they are highly touched up digitally.

Never saw any pedestrians and the cars look like 3D models that behave far too mechanically and repeat quite a bit.
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Speaking of the aerial screensavers, I was hanging out with some friends the other week and we had some music playing while the screensavers ran and I realized they are highly touched up digitally.

Never saw any pedestrians and the cars look like 3D models that behave far too mechanically and repeat quite a bit.
I’m looking at a aerial screensaver right now in DV and the shot went over a bridge with a white bus going left to right and I saw a jogger in a red shirt run by in the opposite direction in slow motion. Further on in the video there’s some people walking on the walkway to the right.
They all looked real but I haven’t seen one ad on a building so obviously there’s a lot of digital “enhancements” on these and maybe the people are fake too.

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I’m looking at a aerial screensaver right now in DV and the shot went over a bridge with a white bus going left to right and I saw a jogger in a red shirt run by in the opposite direction in slow motion. Further on in the video there’s some people walking on the walkway to the right.
They all looked real but I haven’t seen one ad on a building so obviously there’s a lot of digital “enhancements” on these and maybe the people are fake too.
Ah, I am sure varying shots have varying levels of touch ups. I first noticed it on the Dubai daytime aerial shots that are straight down. Checked out the video again on YouTube and I am seeing some pedestrians after all but a shockingly low number of them. Then there are moments where I saw the same white car model repeated over 6 times, then at times saw the same two cars next to one another in two different places, etc.
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Ah, I am sure varying shots have varying levels of touch ups. I first noticed it on the Dubai daytime aerial shots that are straight down. Checked out the video again on YouTube and I am seeing some pedestrians after all but a shockingly low number of them. Then there are moments where I saw the same white car model repeated over 6 times, then at times saw the same two cars next to one another in two different places, etc.
It can be hot in Dubai, maybe not many people walking that day!

The flyover of the Santa Monica Pier is full of people, if I remember.

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It can be hot in Dubai, maybe not many people walking that day!

The flyover of the Santa Monica Pier is full of people, if I remember.
Indeed it is and that one we noticed the repeating of assets and strangeness too.

If you watch it a fair number of people share the same walk style and gait regardless of if they are on soft or hard sand. There is also strange "routing" of people especially when it get to the more crowded area.

We all went back and forth saying "naaah, that's real..." and "oh, look that's fake" then we became obsessed with combing the screen looking for strangeness and all agreed, they were definitely doctoring the videos. They did an excellent job though so the weirdness can be hard to spot but it is there.

In the Los Angeles one, there are also little hints like repeating beach umbrellas. Literally the same color, design, and size sprinkled through the whole 13 minute video.
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I'm talking about the stock Apple TV 4K screensavers that were shot in HDR. I was under the impression that they'd be downconverted to SDR along with the menu if I chose default as 4K SDR.
This is correct and is noted in the first post. You can think of Aerial as the DV app exception that doesn't use the Match API (and sends debug info to the HUD). Presumably Apple does this do minimize HDMI handshake. It also help when you're checking cables -- you can watch Aerial rather than the Home Screen.

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No HDR with match content on iTunes, but works on Netflix?

Am I doing something wrong?

I get no HDR with match content on iTunes, but it works on Netflix?

When I play an HDR movie on iTunes and check the signal on my projector I get 8 Bit BT.709 colours 4.4.4. , but watching an HDR movie on the Netflix app on the apple TV gives me 12 bit BT2020 4.2.2. ... Why is this?

Is this a common issue?
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Have you confirmed that you own and are playing the 4K version? Only way to is this is to swipe down while playing the movie. It will list 4K HDR/DV if it is playing in that format.

Apple really needs to update the iTunes Store on the ATV to show you what you own, not the highest version available to buy.
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You should assume it's not coming. If it happens to be made available on this (6,2) hardware then you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Yep. I thought about replacing my shield TV with atv4k since shield doesn't support DV and hope atv4k will support Atmos later on. But on the second thought, I'm not buying anything on a rumor it will have or even an official promise from Apple. So I stick with my shield for now.

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Speaking of the aerial screensavers, I was hanging out with some friends the other week and we had some music playing while the screensavers ran and I realized they are highly touched up digitally.

Never saw any pedestrians and the cars look like 3D models that behave far too mechanically and repeat quite a bit.
On the the beach screensaver, you can see people running and birds flying. I've also seen people walking on another also.

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On the the beach screensaver, you can see people running and birds flying. I've also seen people walking on another also.
Yup, I was talking about the Dubai aerial specifically.

I commented on the Los Angeles one here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/39-net...l#post55772482
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Have you confirmed that you own and are playing the 4K version? Only way to is this is to swipe down while playing the movie. It will list 4K HDR/DV if it is playing in that format.

Apple really needs to update the iTunes Store on the ATV to show you what you own, not the highest version available to buy.
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I bought them through the Apple TV, but the drop down while the movie plays only says HD. For example, I have Dunkirk, bought for $19.99 when it was released. Says HD in the drop down once the movie plays...

The same goes for the rentals of other movies..

I doesn't give me options of what to buy. Just buy or rent.

Edit: It might be that my internet connection is too slow at 20 mbps instead of the recommended 25 mbps.

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Both my wife and I think that the same shows look better via the ATV than my dish network receiver
I have both plugged into an Audio receiver, the ATV has a 4k hdmi, dish a standard hdmi

I am using direct tv now to watch the programming
I can switch back and forth to the same show and the ATV broadcast looks brighter and sharper

My tv is a lg c7 oled and both inputs are using cinema mode( the dish cinema mode says user next to it, ATV doesn’t so there might be some different settings, I haven’t deep dived into the #s

I am thinking the ATV is doing a better job processing and upscaling vs the dish box, sound right?

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Edit: It might be that my internet connection is too slow at 20 mbps instead of the recommended 25 mbps.
This may be your issue!

BTW - If you're checking an iTunes movie for PQ always start from the very beginning to reduce issues.

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Both my wife and I think that the same shows look better via the ATV than my dish network receiver
I have both plugged into an Audio receiver, the ATV has a 4k hdmi, dish a standard hdmi

I am using direct tv now to watch the programming
I can switch back and forth to the same show and the ATV broadcast looks brighter and sharper

My tv is a lg c7 oled and both inputs are using cinema mode( the dish cinema mode says user next to it, ATV doesn’t so there might be some different settings, I haven’t deep dived into the #s

I am thinking the ATV is doing a better job processing and upscaling vs the dish box, sound right?
Last I looked into Dish they used a lot of compression a low bitrates and had overall comparatively poor image quality vs. the other providers.

Those that had used both DTV (linear broadcasts) and Dish Network have said DTV has superior image quality and I certainly found it superior over Comcast, which I had. Then on top of that, I find there to be a slight image quality edge to DirecTV Now over my DirecTV service.

*EDIT* I should add that I have found the Apple TV to do a good job with upscaling, especially over my Nvidia Shield.
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Am I doing something wrong?

I get no HDR with match content on iTunes, but it works on Netflix?

When I play an HDR movie on iTunes and check the signal on my projector I get 8 Bit BT.709 colours 4.4.4. , but watching an HDR movie on the Netflix app on the apple TV gives me 12 bit BT2020 4.2.2. ... Why is this?

Is this a common issue?
Have you verified that Quick Start (under Settings -> Apps -> iTunes Moves and TV Shows) is ON. If it is OFF you will be limited to HD quality.
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It might be that my internet connection is too slow at 20 mbps instead of the recommended 25 mbps.
Bandwidth controls resolution not range. As mentioned the most likely candidate is Quick Start per the first post.
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Starz app

Any opinions on the Starz app? They seem to have some decent movies to stream.
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Bandwidth controls resolution not range. As mentioned the most likely candidate is Quick Start per the first post.
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Any opinions on the Starz app? They seem to have some decent movies to stream.


We use the Starz app, my wife uses it more. You can setup profiles, similar to Netflix and Hulu. Seems to work fine, I have no complaints. It supports 5.1 but, I don’t think they offer any 4K content yet, at least I haven’t noticed any.

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I use the Starz app as well on my ATV as a standalone subscription for 96.00 for the year. Audio and video quality is much better than the TV Provider method. Plus I have a login and do not have to re-authenticate every other day.
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This is correct and is noted in the first post. You can think of Aerial as the DV app exception that doesn't use the Match API (and sends debug info to the HUD). Presumably Apple does this do minimize HDMI handshake. It also help when you're checking cables -- you can watch Aerial rather than the Home Screen.
I also notice so far after switching over the 4K SDR as default that there's only one screensaver that repeats over and over now (the night time shot of what I assume to be London with the huge Ferris Wheel and rainbow colored lights). If I go back to 4K HDR, all of my screensavers will pop up randomly.

I've also found that the resolution / clarity is better on the HDR ones than the SDR ones... not just the dynamic range.

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Have you verified that Quick Start (under Settings -> Apps -> iTunes Moves and TV Shows) is ON. If it is OFF you will be limited to HD quality.
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Yep. I thought about replacing my shield TV with atv4k since shield doesn't support DV and hope atv4k will support Atmos later on. But on the second thought, I'm not buying anything on a rumor it will have or even an official promise from Apple. So I stick with my shield for now.

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I also notice so far after switching over the 4K SDR as default that there's only one screensaver that repeats over and over now (the night time shot of what I assume to be London with the huge Ferris Wheel and rainbow colored lights).
I don't see that issue. Note that there aren't that many 4K "screen savers".

You're probably watching the Hong Kong night footage. The London Eye is in the night time London footage but without rainbow lighting.

I might type 2K for 1080p.
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I also notice so far after switching over the 4K SDR as default that there's only one screensaver that repeats over and over now (the night time shot of what I assume to be London with the huge Ferris Wheel and rainbow colored lights). If I go back to 4K HDR, all of my screensavers will pop up randomly.



I've also found that the resolution / clarity is better on the HDR ones than the SDR ones... not just the dynamic range.


Did you check your settings for downloading screensavers? Depending on those it might take a little bit to download the “rest”. There are more than one screensavers that show when set to 4K SDR.
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I read the first post but have a few questions.

I have my atv set to 4k sdr at 60hz with frame / matching on and 4:4:4 chroma with ybcpr (sp?)

When my tv switches to dv or hdr10, how can i be sure it's using chroma 4.2.2 instead of 4.2.0? Heard its better to send 4.2.2 instead of letting my lg oledb7 handle it.

I dont want my tv turning on randomly so i turned off automatic system updates. Do i need to turn off automatic app updates or anything else to ensure it doesnt wake up and turn my tv on without my input?

Thanks.
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Anyone know the answers to the above? Thank you in advance.
I believe almost all commercial content tops out at 4:2:0 so not sure why 4:2:2 would be better for an LG TV.

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how can i be sure it's using chroma 4.2.2
For content (movies etc.) you can't.

I might type 2K for 1080p.
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