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I'm thinking of getting the atv4,k . Can someone tell me if any of these apps stream smoothly on it? By which I mean no regular frame drop, skip, or ghost image.

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I'm thinking of getting the atv4,k . Can someone tell me if any of these apps stream smoothly on it? By which I mean no regular frame drop, skip, or ghost image.

SYFY
TCM (Turner classic movies)
Tennis channel
TNT

Thanks


It wouldn’t be a real test since we don’t live with you I can say they stream great, but if you get it home and you have issues, my report meant Little. I’ve had little to no issues with SYFY or TNT.
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I'm thinking of getting the atv4,k . Can someone tell me if any of these apps stream smoothly on it? By which I mean no regular frame drop, skip, or ghost image.

SYFY
TCM (Turner classic movies)
Tennis channel
TNT

Thanks
I don't know about TCM & the Tennis Channel; have you checked the Reviews in the iTunes Store? The reviews look bad for the Tennis Channel.
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It wouldn’t be a real test since we don’t live with you I can say they stream great, but if you get it home and you have issues, my report meant Little. I’ve had little to no issues with SYFY or TNT.
Thanks. It'll be wired Ethernet and I have 100mbps down so hopefully I'll be okay. I asked because I have a fire stick and those channels are bad. (I will be using the ATV for more than those channels, of course) Thinking of getting the directv now deal so there will be no return.
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I don't know about TCM & the Tennis Channel; have you checked the Reviews in the iTunes Store? The reviews look bad for the Tennis Channel.
Thanks. You gave me the idea to search the app store on an iPhone. They helpfully tell you if there is an apple TV app offered.

So there's no TCM or spectrum sports app. Ugh. Why can't I get one device that does everything.

If there's no Apple TV app and the iPhone app doesn't have airplay, is there an alternative? A browser won't do with sites that still use Flash player (yuck). I suppose it's not like android where you can try to sideload an app?
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There’s no real TCM app. They don’t have streaming rights to most of their content.

There has been an iOS app that will show you what’s live and a couple of on demand movies and it looks like VHS. I have tried to airplay it. Not worth it.

For that kind of content via subscription your best bet is the FilmStruck app.
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There’s no real TCM app. They don’t have streaming rights to most of their content.



There has been an iOS app that will show you what’s live and a couple of on demand movies and it looks like VHS. I have tried to airplay it. Not worth it.



For that kind of content via subscription your best bet is the FilmStruck app.


TCM content is available on Filmstruck https://www.filmstruck.com/us/

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Watching a bit of the Masters today on the Masters app and it looks...OK. The frame rate is a bit low. It's by no means bad but it's not 60fps.

Anyone else?
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Charles is correct, my apologies.
Can anyone suggest a good naming convention when ripping a whole season of a series for use on Infuse? For instance, I have the entire series of "Friends" on BD and when it finished ripping one disc I got this:

Friends_Season_2_Disc_2_t10.mkv

When looking at all the files created I can't tell which episode is which and would like to know if I should rename them in order to quickly find an episode on Infuse.

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Watching a bit of the Masters today on the Masters app and it looks...OK. The frame rate is a bit low. It's by no means bad but it's not 60fps.

Anyone else?
Was waiting to get home from work to check it out myself. So by "OK" I'm assuming you mean it's not 4K and HDR then. Oh well, perhaps the app on my LG OLED is still 4K this year like it was last year.

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Can anyone suggest a good naming convention when ripping a whole season of a series for use on Infuse? For instance, I have the entire series of "Friends" on BD and when it finished ripping one disc I got this:



Friends_Season_2_Disc_2_t10.mkv



When looking at all the files created I can't tell which episode is which and would like to know if I should rename them in order to quickly find an episode on Infuse.


If you are ripping the titles, you’ll have to go through and rename the files. I would recommend using “title of show” SxxExx method. Usually the episodes are in order, but you’ll need to quickly verify on your own. It’s a little painful, but may be the best way to do it for this situation.
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Was waiting to get home from work to check it out myself. So by "OK" I'm assuming you mean it's not 4K and HDR then. Oh well, perhaps the app on my LG OLED is still 4K this year like it was last year.


Not this year. 4K of the Masters is only available via DirecTV this year.

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Question 'Cord-cutting' options for ATV4K?

I'm considering 'cutting the cord' and getting rid of my DVR and tv service and going internet-only.

Has anyone here done that with any of these (or others that I have missed) ATV4K network bundle apps?

YouTube TV
Sling TV
DirecTV NOW
Hulu with Live TV
PlayStation Vue

I'm interested in any opinions on how well any of these work on the Apple TV, how the picture/sound quality is (at least 1080p? 5.1?), does the 'cloud DVR' feature work (allow skipping commercials?) etc.

Thank you in advance for any feedback or suggestions!
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I'm considering 'cutting the cord' and getting rid of my DVR and tv service and going internet-only.

Has anyone here done that with any of these (or others that I have missed) ATV4K network bundle apps?

YouTube TV
Sling TV
DirecTV NOW
Hulu with Live TV
PlayStation Vue

I'm interested in any opinions on how well any of these work on the Apple TV, how the picture/sound quality is (at least 1080p? 5.1?), does the 'cloud DVR' feature work (allow skipping commercials?) etc.

Thank you in advance for any feedback or suggestions!
100s of articles have been written comparing these things.

It all depends on what channels you must have to some extent and then whether their DVR meets your requirements.

I ended up with Hulu with Live TV because I needed to have HGTV and ESPN with commercial skip and enough storage space that doesn't expire.
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I'm considering 'cutting the cord' and getting rid of my DVR and tv service and going internet-only.

Has anyone here done that with any of these (or others that I have missed) ATV4K network bundle apps?

YouTube TV
Sling TV
DirecTV NOW
Hulu with Live TV
PlayStation Vue

I'm interested in any opinions on how well any of these work on the Apple TV, how the picture/sound quality is (at least 1080p? 5.1?), does the 'cloud DVR' feature work (allow skipping commercials?) etc.

Thank you in advance for any feedback or suggestions!
I ended up with Playstation Vue after trying DirecTV Now and YouTube TV, because it had the channels I needed, a cloud DVR, and was reasonably priced. That said, it's user interface is not as easy to navigate as TiVo or AppleTV, and sometimes the DVR screws up the last 10 minutes of hockey games I've recorded, which is a huge drag. The beauty of network bundle apps is that you can cancel at any time and try a competing app. So I wouldn't sweat the decision too much. Another thing to consider is using an antenna and something like HDHomeRun with Plex for DVR'ing live TV broadcasts. Aside from the one-time price of the HDHomeRun hardware and the minimal cost of Plex Pass, OTA is free.

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I recieved my atv4k yesterday. After the initial setup and log ins I finally set down to watch some dolby vision movies that were ported over from my MA account. The first movie I called up was blade runner final cut. The black levels seem really screwy. All greys. The opening credits really stuck out from the letterbox. Unlike what I'm use to seeing. I can adjust my brightness for this movie but it doesn't look right for other films. The dolby vision highlights also don't seem present. Am I doing this wrong?
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I recieved my atv4k yesterday. After the initial setup and log ins I finally set down to watch some dolby vision movies that were ported over from my MA account. The first movie I called up was blade runner final cut. The black levels seem really screwy. All greys. The opening credits really stuck out from the letterbox. Unlike what I'm use to seeing. I can adjust my brightness for this movie but it doesn't look right for other films. The dolby vision highlights also don't seem present. Am I doing this wrong?
DV looks awesome on my setup. It could be your display or settings. Hard to tell.
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I recieved my atv4k yesterday. After the initial setup and log ins I finally set down to watch some dolby vision movies that were ported over from my MA account. The first movie I called up was blade runner final cut. The black levels seem really screwy. All greys. The opening credits really stuck out from the letterbox. Unlike what I'm use to seeing. I can adjust my brightness for this movie but it doesn't look right for other films. The dolby vision highlights also don't seem present. Am I doing this wrong?
Got a Sony TV? May require an update on the TV and on the AT4K for DV to look right.

Also, note that if the movie ports over from MA and you bought it elsewhere as HD, it won't get the 4k update on ATV4k.
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I recieved my atv4k yesterday. After the initial setup and log ins I finally set down to watch some dolby vision movies that were ported over from my MA account. The first movie I called up was blade runner final cut. The black levels seem really screwy. All greys. The opening credits really stuck out from the letterbox. Unlike what I'm use to seeing. I can adjust my brightness for this movie but it doesn't look right for other films. The dolby vision highlights also don't seem present. Am I doing this wrong?


Did you turn the match settings on? If not then it's not switch dv on.

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If you have SDR 4K set, with match frame and range, when you look at the itunes rental movies, will it show DV and HDR titles labeled properly?

I havent used that much, but I remembered something about if you didnt have it set to DV or whatever, something would not display.

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Infuse 5.6.11 just dropped and includes...

We've just submitted Infuse 5.6.11 to Apple with a fix for HDR > SDR conversion on 11.3.

For a few minutes I viewed a HDR file with HDR support on and HDR support off and they look very close... skin tone and brightness levels appear fine.

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I have a vizio p65-c1. I can adjust my display to get close to how it should look but my other dolby vision titles look wrong. My tv is registering a dolby vision signal from the movie. It is a dolby vision 4k title that ported over. I have also adjusted the apple tv to match frame rate and color range. I'm at a loss.
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If you are ripping the titles, you’ll have to go through and rename the files. I would recommend using “title of show” SxxExx method. Usually the episodes are in order, but you’ll need to quickly verify on your own. It’s a little painful, but may be the best way to do it for this situation.
I'm trying the week trial of Infuse Pro and have noticed a few things:
  • When creating the .mkv files, the program seems to be making two copies of each episode or rather the BD contains two copies of each episode, why could this be?
  • When watching the episodes, all of them are starting with subtitles On.
  • When going through the episode list on Infuse Pro it shows 1080p as shown on first image but when watching the actual episode and then swiping down, it doesn't indicate HD as shown on 2nd image, why is this?
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I'm trying the week trial of Infuse Pro and have noticed a few things:


  • When creating the .mkv files, the program seems to be making two copies of each episode or rather the BD contains two copies of each episode, why could this be?


  • When watching the episodes, all of them are starting with subtitles On.


  • When going through the episode list on Infuse Pro it shows 1080p as shown on first image but when watching the actual episode and then swiping down, it doesn't indicate HD as shown on 2nd image, why is this?


They have their own forum and are very helpful.
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I'm at a loss.
Be sure and check the first post. Beyond that you'll have to provide a complete description of your system. There are thousands if not millions of permutations. Things not to overlook:
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  • ATV video path.
  • Display characteristics for the port being used by the ATV.
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I'm considering 'cutting the cord' and getting rid of my DVR and tv service and going internet-only.

Has anyone here done that with any of these (or others that I have missed) ATV4K network bundle apps?

YouTube TV
Sling TV
DirecTV NOW
Hulu with Live TV
PlayStation Vue

I'm interested in any opinions on how well any of these work on the Apple TV, how the picture/sound quality is (at least 1080p? 5.1?), does the 'cloud DVR' feature work (allow skipping commercials?) etc.

Thank you in advance for any feedback or suggestions!
YouTube TV was excellent on ATV4K but the commercial experience there is, typically recordings get replaced with on-demand content with no commercial skip ability; a major inconvenience compared to physical DVR at home. If you watch within 12 hours, you get what you recorded in the cloud but as early as that time from recording, you no longer can skip commercials because of the switch taking place. The commercial experience, 9 months life per recording and otherwise unlimited DVR capacity is a value if the commercial experience doesn't ruin it for you.

DirecTV Now has no public DVR yet but expected soon. Beta DVR by invite only isn't reliable but I don't suspect that indicts the public release; it should be reliable and better quality. Hopefully there will be pause with buffer capability in public release of DVR but it hardly allows for an extended buffer in beta. I believe the public offering will be better than beta experience from past beta experiences with DirecTV.

I don't recall if YouTube TV does this but many recordings are 30 fps and audio seems substandard on Hulu Live TV and DirecTV Now beta. What helps, imo, is that Hulu has a better on-demand offering so this doesn't impact quality as much as other TV services.

Not that Hulu Live TV is best all around; still lacks some channels, recording sporting events isn't as straight forward as TV series and movies. And even with commercial free or commercial skip methods with recording (enhanced DVR) or buffering live TV, there's a tendency to steer users into the commercial watching schemes by default. From my standpoint, if paying for the commercial free on-demand and enhanced DVR, there's options to avoid or skip commercials but you need to know yourself what content options there are and limitations when watching or adding content to your watch list (what was once easy with on-demand commercial free option just got needlessly complicated with Hulu Live TV beta). And it also seems you can buffer live TV and skip commercials but only if that pertains to its live status. Once the buffered show isn't live anymore, the ability to skip commercials is lost (as if Hulu now treats the remaining portion as on-demand with no commercial skip).

None of which are the ATV player's fault or limitations; it's Hulu's approach that isn't ideal. Say you record a series because you know that's the only option to skip commercials; your watch list will have a recorded caption for that episode but if you try to play it from there, you'll get the on-demand episode by default and find you cannot skip commercials in the episode. Unless you play from list of episodes or manage my DVR (which seems best for view/delete mode you're likely accustomed to anyway), you'll default to Hulu's "let's maximize your commercial viewing experience". Apparently Hulu wants it that way.

I've not tried Sling or PSVue. I included the above to differentiate between physical DVR at home to DVR in the cloud. With a good connection, the quality is there and sometimes better than my old DirecTV satellite DVR. It's been nice to press the voice button and say "skip 3 and half minutes" or "skip 90 seconds" for tennis changeovers. ATV is useful for skipping commercial breaks, especially where the desired interval changes.

And sometimes on Hulu, when live TV is buffered on ATV4K, when the commercial break is posted in a round countdown timer; a single 10 second skip with Siri remote will skip the whole commercial break. Can't do that with DirecTV.


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Not this year. 4K of the Masters is only available via DirecTV this year.
Yep - appears to be the case unfortunately. Even the app on my LG OLED is now unsupported from last year. Hopefully things will change with these exclusive contracts for 4K sporting events. Or it will continue to be difficult for Apple to stream 4K sports as they seemed to hint at when they unveiled it last year. I get no promise was made, but it's unfortunate that these events continue to be broadcast in 4K, yet the apple TV 4K is not able to stream it in 4K due to contract issues (not because of technology). Here's hoping this doesn't continue with the World Cup...

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post #14158 of 25663 Old 04-05-2018, 07:59 PM
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I have a vizio p65-c1. I can adjust my display to get close to how it should look but my other dolby vision titles look wrong. My tv is registering a dolby vision signal from the movie. It is a dolby vision 4k title that ported over. I have also adjusted the apple tv to match frame rate and color range. I'm at a loss.


If I remember correctly blade runner final cut is one of the iTunes titles that suffers from raised black levels. If you have another iTunes Dolby Vision title you might want to try that to get a better idea of black levels. I have the same Vizio as you and the iTunes Dolby Vision titles I own look great.


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I recieved my atv4k yesterday. After the initial setup and log ins I finally set down to watch some dolby vision movies that were ported over from my MA account. The first movie I called up was blade runner final cut. The black levels seem really screwy. All greys. The opening credits really stuck out from the letterbox. Unlike what I'm use to seeing. I can adjust my brightness for this movie but it doesn't look right for other films. The dolby vision highlights also don't seem present. Am I doing this wrong?
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If I remember correctly blade runner final cut is one of the iTunes titles that suffers from raised black levels. If you have another iTunes Dolby Vision title you might want to try that to get a better idea of black levels. I have the same Vizio as you and the iTunes Dolby Vision titles I own look great.


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Thanks. The other titles look alright. I was a little nervous that something wasn't set right.
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I'm thinking of getting the atv4,k . Can someone tell me if any of these apps stream smoothly on it? By which I mean no regular frame drop, skip, or ghost image.

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