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Sorry, I should have mentioned that all those comments were made in the LG OLED B7/C7 owners thread, but just click on the link in my signature below to get to my settings post.
Do your recommended settings for the B7/C7 carry over to the B8/C8 lineup?

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Do your recommended settings for the B7/C7 carry over to the B8/C8 lineup?
He confirmed I would benefit for my E7, so it depends what's different with the B8/C8/E8 line ! only now if I could get the TV to recognize the file ...
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Do your recommended settings for the B7/C7 carry over to the B8/C8 lineup?
Probably not. But I would recommend that for SDR and HDR10 content - go with the technicolor Expert picture modes to get a close to "calibrated" picture. Dolby Vision will be a different story even with the 8 series.
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Sorry to bring this back up, but I've been scanning through google images trying to find something that best represents what "flashes" on my screen. This is pretty close:






Audio doesn't drop when this happens, and it lasts less than a second. Any thoughts on what's happening? Happens on any app on ATV, and not on any other device going through my receiver, nor on the TV's internal app.


I won't keep bringing it up, but thought someone might recognize what I'm seeing with a picture.


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I was having the same issue with my ATV 4K on iOS 12. I tried Monoprice cables, belkin cables, audioquest sky cables, and monster cables. All certified and supposedly support 4K. Since I couldn’t downgrade to iOS 11 I exchanged my unit for a new one and stayed away from the beta. I haven’t had any issues since. I went through two brand new receivers thinking that was the issue but it’s the iOS 12 beta.


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@rondongon : I got the new side bar for Netflix to come back onto my Roku units with a power cycle. Also between the different models, there is a slightly different version of the channel installed too, and why the one has a slight different appearance.
Now, I just need to wait for the Apple TV(s) to get the update, and I'm set.
Ok I just got the new Netflix UI on LG app the funny thing is that the LG still shows its the same version from 14/06/2018, v 1.4.58. Back to ATV, it says app was updated 25/07 but no new UI
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Ok I just got the new Netflix UI on LG app the funny thing is that the LG still shows its the same version from 14/06/2018, v 1.4.58. Back to ATV, it says app was updated 25/07 but no new UI
@rondongon : agreed, I don't want to take the thread too far off topic, it's difficult at times though, when dealing with something that's not platform specific that's having issues.
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Ok I just got the new Netflix UI on LG app the funny thing is that the LG still shows its the same version from 14/06/2018, v 1.4.58. Back to ATV, it says app was updated 25/07 but no new UI
If you like to watch 4K HDR videos on YouTube, stick with the internal LG app. The ATV app only does up to 1080p and don't see that changing anytime soon.
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If you like to watch 4K HDR videos on YouTube, stick with the internal LG app. The ATV app only does up to 1080p and don't see that changing anytime soon.
I don't have an LG TV, but My Roku players, and Sony UBP-X800, or Chromecast ultra support YouTube HDR. So i can pick from those.
Hopefully Google will give the TvOS YouTube app, Vp9 support, or whatever codec they're going to use moving forward.
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I don't have an LG TV, but My Roku players, and Sony UBP-X800, or Chromecast ultra support YouTube HDR. So i can pick from those.
Hopefully Google will give the TvOS YouTube app, Vp9 support, or whatever codec they're going to use moving forward.
That would be nice since I use my ATV for everything else except the YouTube app.

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That would be nice since I use my ATV for everything else except the YouTube app.
Throw in 5.1 on Prime, and I could throw out my crappy Roku Streaming Stick+.
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Throw in 5.1 on Prime, and I could throw out my crappy Roku Streaming Stick+.
I'm not that interested in YouTube, so if only Amazon did 5.1 appropriately, the ATV would be the only streaming device I need. While I don't know what political/selfish game Amazon is playing regarding the lack of 5.1 on shows that are in 5.1 on other streaming devices, I now believe that we will never see 5.1 as it should be on Amazon. No way is it a technical issue after all this time. If it were, then Amazon would clearly have the most incompetent technical staff of any streaming service. Shame on Amazon's greed/politics.

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Throw in 5.1 on Prime, and I could throw out my crappy Roku Streaming Stick+.
I still stick by my convictions and experience that physical media is still more dependable then streaming services. And with a program like Infuse Pro, local streaming is almost as nice as playing from disc, depending on if you want lossless ATMOS or not.



With that said, streaming doesn't suck, it just doesn't feel like a finished and well polished solution half the time. Especial to those who know what they want, and what they are doing.
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I still stick by my convictions and experience that physical media is still more dependable then streaming services. And with a program like Infuse Pro, local streaming is almost as nice as playing from disc, depending on if you want lossless ATMOS or not.



With that said, streaming doesn't suck, it just doesn't feel like a finished and well polished solution half the time. Especial to those who know what they want, and what they are doing.

I guess it depends on your bandwidth and where you live.

I live in California with 480Mbps and have never experienced an issue watching a 4K movie from iTunes on my Apple TV.

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I guess it depends on your bandwidth and where you live.

I live in California with 480Mbps and have never experienced an issue watching a 4K movie from iTunes on my Apple TV.

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@dancolt : my main point was directed to the fact that the services are not on the same page, or someone what's it in a particular format, and the streaming service(s) don't have it. Or there are other technical issues, not necessarily based on the internet connection alone.

Physical media, and a local library are still the best ways I know of to prevent such issues.
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Apple TV owners' thread.

Is there any article and/or whitepaper on QDH1 codec Apple uses for 4K streaming ?
I would like to read about it and learn how it's different from HEVC. Google search doesn't help. Perhaps, only customized extension over HEVC. But I'm impressed how it handles picture quality at only 1/3 to 1/2 of bitrate compared to HEVC on disc.

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I guess it depends on your bandwidth and where you live.

I live in California with 480Mbps and have never experienced an issue watching a 4K movie from iTunes on my Apple TV.

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4K streaming only requires 25-35Mbps of consistent bandwidth.
iTunes 4K movie streaming works flawlessly even halfway across the globe (in Korea streaming 4K contents from US iTunes server).




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Is there any article and/or whitepaper on QDH1 codec Apple uses for 4K streaming ?
I would like to read about it and learn how it's different from HEVC. Google search doesn't help. Perhaps, only customized extension over HEVC. But I'm impressed how it handles picture quality at only 1/3 to 1/2 of bitrate compared to HEVC on disc.

4K streaming only requires 25-35Mbps of consistent bandwidth.
iTunes 4K movie streaming works flawlessly even halfway across the globe (in Korea streaming 4K contents from US iTunes server).

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Apple uses QHVC (for HDR10) and QDH1 (for Dolby Vision). Also, Apple uses Dolby Vision Profile 5, which reduces bandwidth requirements by 25% vs. Profile 4.
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I don't have an LG TV, but My Roku players, and Sony UBP-X800, or Chromecast ultra support YouTube HDR. So i can pick from those.
Hopefully Google will give the TvOS YouTube app, Vp9 support, or whatever codec they're going to use moving forward.


That wouldn’t help as the Apple TV doesn’t support Vp9.


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That wouldn’t help as the Apple TV doesn’t support Vp9.


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That's what I was curious about. I know people have said Apple TV doesn't support Vp9, but wasn't sure if it was from a hardware level, or simply software level. Since this is an Apple thread, I was going to use the Mac as an example here:
I know that the Mac doesn't support hardware acceleration for vp9 as far as video drivers go, however, you can install "Google Chrome" on a Mac and have Vp9 support. It's the most reliable way I've found to watch 4K videos from YouTube, on a Mac without a lot of playback issues.
With that said, I thought it might be possible for them to do the same for the Apple TV 4K model. The other example, is Roku, I don't think they natively support Vp9 either, but Google was able to add it to the YouTube channel, so HDR / 4K videos would play in HDR.


Speaking of which, I am glad Google did change the Apple TV YouTube App to be consistent with my other devices in look and feel. They also added Chromecast support, so, Apple TV, isn't limited to AirPlay now.
If you open the YT app, and then go to a device that's cast compatible, such as the YT app for iOS, or android, the Apple TV will show up in the list now.
Anyway, those are just some of my thoughts, and experiences having used multiple products.
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I still stick by my convictions and experience that physical media is still more dependable then streaming services. And with a program like Infuse Pro, local streaming is almost as nice as playing from disc, depending on if you want lossless ATMOS or not.



With that said, streaming doesn't suck, it just doesn't feel like a finished and well polished solution half the time. Especial to those who know what they want, and what they are doing.
Oh, I totally agree about disc > streaming, but Netflix and Prime have some pretty damn good shows, and being able to watch them in 4K HDR is nice. It would just be nice to have everything available in its correct form in one box.
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Oh, I totally agree about disc > streaming, but Netflix and Prime have some pretty damn good shows, and being able to watch them in 4K HDR is nice. It would just be nice to have everything available in its correct form in one box.
I can agree with the shows part on Netflix, Amazon, I can't comment because I don't have a prime subscription, so don't have access to that content. I think streaming boxes have come a long way, but the fact they still aren't all on the same page, and the providers aren't either, is one of the most frustrating things about them. In some cases I would consider it a turn off to some because "it doesn't just work all the time"

The only HDR standard I've had the opportunity to interact with, is HDR10, which is what my current HDR compatible TV supports.

For me, I'm not so much interested in the content the streaming providers provide in HDR, but rather I would want to see content I already own, and care about remastered in HDR, or if it's new content, I would want it to be something I'm interested in.
Just because it's HDR, really doesn't mean anything to me, unless it's something I would enjoy watching.

With that being said, that's why I'm still ok with my HD library, and even my SD library until the new standards give me something I really care about.
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Just got the ATV4K and trying to figure out a few things. When audio is set to best quality does it always come out as PCM? Also, I’m having issues when I back out of an app I’m getting no signal notification on my LG C8 OLED. I then have to switch inputs back and forth to regain video from ATV. I have the ATV set to Dolby Vision. Any suggestions on that?


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That's what I was curious about. I know people have said Apple TV doesn't support Vp9, but wasn't sure if it was from a hardware level, or simply software level. Since this is an Apple thread, I was going to use the Mac as an example here:
I know that the Mac doesn't support hardware acceleration for vp9 as far as video drivers go, however, you can install "Google Chrome" on a Mac and have Vp9 support.
VP9 is a home-baked proprietary version of HDR. Google chose to go that direction instead of one of the standards so they could sell more Chromecast Ultra players So you either buy a CCU, or a TV that supports it.

Not to worry, YouTube's HDR content is really thin, and once you burn through the demo footage and travel stuff, you're wondering why you bought a CCU just for that. The bottom line is that you are not missing much.
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VP9 is a home-baked proprietary version of HDR. Google chose to go that direction instead of one of the standards so they could sell more Chromecast Ultra players So you either buy a CCU, or a TV that supports it.

Not to worry, YouTube's HDR content is really thin, and once you burn through the demo footage and travel stuff, you're wondering why you bought a CCU just for that. The bottom line is that you are not missing much.
True, with my experience, I still feel online HDR content is still limited compared to physical media, which I believe it was initially designed and targeted to. With that said, the only reasonable exception of that would be the digital copies of stuff purchased on disc.


Even then, it still seems to be hit or miss if the digital copy is 4k / hdr or not.

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Just got the ATV4K and trying to figure out a few things. When audio is set to best quality does it always come out as PCM? Also, I’m having issues when I back out of an app I’m getting no signal notification on my LG C8 OLED. I then have to switch inputs back and forth to regain video from ATV. I have the ATV set to Dolby Vision. Any suggestions on that?


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For best compatibility it should be set to 4kSDR (as long as you have both Match settings to “On” you’ll get 4K HDR and/or DV as necessary.

That being said, it sounds like you have a problem in your Hdmi path- what is your device/cable setup and lengths?
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For best compatibility it should be set to 4kSDR (as long as you have both Match settings to “On” you’ll get 4K HDR and/or DV as necessary.

That being said, it sounds like you have a problem in your Hdmi path- what is your device/cable setup and lengths?


Oh okay, I’ll try those settings. All new certified MP cables. 3’ from ATV to AVR and 15’ from AVR to TV. I’ll try another cable between ATV and AVR. I have a ShieldTV too and am having no issues there. Thanks for the help!


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Oh okay, I’ll try those settings. All new certified MP cables. 3’ from ATV to AVR and 15’ from AVR to TV. I’ll try another cable between ATV and AVR. I have a ShieldTV too and am having no issues there.
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I have the same setup but my receiver is the Marantz 6012. The 15’ cable is probably too long and the cables that worked best for me were the Belkin cables from the Apple Store. I had Monoprice cables first and had nothing but problems.


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I want to buy an Apple TV 4K for my parents but I know that the touch remote will give them issues. Any known compatible remotes that have simple “select” buttons, “back” buttons etc similar to a roku remote that someone can recommend?
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