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OK, I follow, I am not sure how to multi quote posts, only have done one at a time.


Anyway I think there is just a lot about internet streaming i'm behind on. Coming from a traditional broadcast background / experience.


For one, I didn't know Netflix could legally show content outside a certain region, or do they allow licensing of the content cross region?


As far as for Sony TVs, yes both my TVs are Sony. What about watching the 25 / 50htz content on a computer (e.g. my 5K iMac) will it play at the native rates there ? since Sony us models do not do 50?
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Anyone? I know I could disable CEC from my receiver but I should be able to simply turn off the ATV's CEC, shouldn't I? Why does the setting in the ATV seemingly do nothing? Am I the only one with the issue where the ATV can still control things even though I have set it not to? Is there something wrong with my ATV where it's not actually turning off the CEC when I set it to (again, if I power off the ATV, CEC in it's own settings is turned back to "on")?
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With Netflix the shows play back at their native frame rate. There is a lot of UK content on Netflix that is recorded at 25/50fps.
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I like when it says Native, it means Native.
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If you really want CEC off try the Lindy adapter. https://www.amazon.com/Lindy-HDMI-Ad.../dp/B00DL48KVI
Not so much "really want" as "CEC is broken on the Apple TV 4k and is randomly switching inputs and turning on my TV for no reason, so I need to turn it off".
But, yes! That'll work! Had no idea such things existed!
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For those running 12 beta, ATMOS is now showing up on the description of lots of movies in iTunes, and outputting ATMOS when played. More info on the beta thread.
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I hear a lot of people prefer 4K SDR, with Match content on, opposed to 4K HDR.
Any idea why this is? Is it because 4K HDR is too bright in the menus, and not needed to be enabled when viewing regular SDR content?

Also, do most users use the "sleep" mode? Find it to be a PITA when turning my system and components on.....

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Whoever said Sony TVs do not play 50hz is completely wrong I watch 50hz on Netflix and Amazon without any problem.

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I hear a lot of people prefer 4K SDR, with Match content on, opposed to 4K HDR.

Any idea why this is? Is it because 4K HDR is too bright in the menus, and not needed to be enabled when viewing regular SDR content?



Also, do most users use the "sleep" mode? Find it to be a PITA when turning my system and components on.....


If you have HDR set to On instead of SDR it will force what many call “fake HDR” on non HDR content. To me it looks dark. 4K/SDR with Match on will automatically switch to the appropriate range (SDR, HDR, Dolby Vision).

Yes, I have my ATV set to sleep when I turn it off and have no issues.


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I hear a lot of people prefer 4K SDR, with Match content on, opposed to 4K HDR.
Any idea why this is? Is it because 4K HDR is too bright in the menus, and not needed to be enabled when viewing regular SDR content?
I choose to leave the default at 4kSDR because there are still a lot of apps that are in SDR and don't honor the match dynamic range setting. All the content on those apps would be incorrectly displayed as HDR if I chose 4dHDR as the default output selection. I prefer accuracy. You can try it both ways. The difference is big enough you don't even need to measure things to see they are not the same.

But if you like the way things look when enhanced by the HDR conversion, that's cool. It's your choice.

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Also, do most users use the "sleep" mode? Find it to be a PITA when turning my system and components on.....
For my projection setup, this is very very true. So I don't let that ATV sleep. For my flat panel, it doesn't seem to matter.
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For those running 12 beta, ATMOS is now showing up on the description of lots of movies in iTunes, and outputting ATMOS when played. More info on the beta thread.

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I wonder if people on the production release (non beta) are seeing the Atmos logo on their ATV4K’s iTunes app.


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I have my ATV set to 4k SDR, match on both, and when I watch Netflix DV it loses picture every few minutes. This is ONLY when watch DV. HDR is fine . I am using Sony 285 projector and Denon 4300H receiver.
Follow the steps here: https://denon.custhelp.com/app/answe...ections%2C-hdr

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I wonder if people on the production release (non beta) are seeing the Atmos logo on their ATV4K’s iTunes app.
Yes, Atmos is listed in the Languages section of the couple I checked under 11.4.1. Unlike Dolby Vision there's no Atmos logo in the summary line.
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Whoever said Sony TVs do not play 50hz is completely wrong I watch 50hz on Netflix and Amazon without any problem.
You are in the USA and the Apple isn't converting it to 60 Hz for your set? Which Sony TV model and year. Past Sony policy has been to restrict USA sets to 60 Hz but that may vary by model. I can only speak from past experience trying PAL discs on Sonys with my player outputting a 50 Hz signal.

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I hear a lot of people prefer 4K SDR, with Match content on, opposed to 4K HDR.
Any idea why this is? Is it because 4K HDR is too bright in the menus, and not needed to be enabled when viewing regular SDR content?...
In addition to the other responses about this.

When using a device with long HDMI handshake times in the chain, such as a JVC projector which will 'go dark' for up to 20 seconds on every signal format change, it is a much better experience to keep it in the HDR/SDR/framerate mode which it needs to be in for most content.

Most content I watch is SDR/24. Without using the "4K SDR" option it would switch from HDR to SDR for a SDR show and then back to HDR for the menus. Specifically, mine is at 4k SDR 24Hz to have a starting point, the menu, matching most of what I just happen to watch. Greatly reduces how often 'black screen' delay time must be endured on every switch to/from content.
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Not so much "really want" as "CEC is broken on the Apple TV 4k and is randomly switching inputs and turning on my TV for no reason, so I need to turn it off".
That's not quite correct but the Lindy CEC blocker is the answer in any case. The Apple CEC control (Control TVs and Receivers) toggles active CEC commands. However the ATV still responds to CEC queries* and those responses "confuse" some devices. You're fortunate if this is your first CEC problem. My old LG UHD player didn't have a CEC setting and my CCU causes problems if CEC is enabled on my display/AVR pair. I use Lindy blocker on the output of the CCU, replaced the LG UHD player and have no issues with the ATV -- however I only enable CEC when I must.


*I believe that's required.

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Yes, Atmos is listed in the Languages section of the couple I checked under 11.4.1. Unlike Dolby Vision there's no Atmos logo in the summary line.


That’s interesting.


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You must be outside the US to have Netflix @50, here it's 60.
As has been noted a few times Netflix sources/creates content from PAL regions. This content is sometimes presented at the native framerate of 25Hz. The ATV doubles 25 and 30Hz to 50 and 60Hz respectively. If you want to see what's happening in your video chain enable the ATV HUD and watch the Netflix test patterns, they are available in a variety of sizes and framerates.

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Correct!

I like when it says Native, it means Native.
I believe the ATV always plays back content that’s 25Hz at 50Hz, and 30 at 60. You have no control over this. So anything made for TV in Europe (say, The Crown) that is natively 25Hz will play back at 50Hz. Doesn’t matter in practice, but I’d prefer it didn’t even do that...

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As has been noted a few times Netflix sources/creates content from PAL regions. This content is sometimes presented at the native framerate of 25Hz. The ATV doubles 25 and 30Hz to 50 and 60Hz respectively. If you want to see what's happening in your video chain enable the ATV HUD and watch the Netflix test patterns, they are available in a variety of sizes and framerates.
Question is it playing back at 50 fps or 50 Hz probably fps? I can't tell since my display just gives the number and I know my display supports both 50 and 60 Hz.
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Not so much "really want" as "CEC is broken on the Apple TV 4k and is randomly switching inputs and turning on my TV for no reason, so I need to turn it off".
That's not quite correct but the Lindy CEC blocker is the answer in any case. The Apple CEC control (Control TVs and Receivers) toggles active CEC commands. However the ATV still responds to CEC queries* and those responses "confuse" some devices. You're fortunate if this is your first CEC problem. My old LG UHD player didn't have a CEC setting and my CCU causes problems if CEC is enabled on my display/AVR pair. I use Lindy blocker on the output of the CCU, replaced the LG UHD player and have no issues with the ATV -- however I only enable CEC when I must.


*I believe that's required.
Not so sure I buy that the receiver is getting confused via queries considering that both the TV and Receiver are powered off and the ATV would randomly turn them both on, as it would require a signal from the ATV to do that.
Simply put, the ATV was/is still controlling and sending CEC signals to my devices even with the setting “off”.
When my PS4 was doing similar things, I disabled CEC in the PS4’s settings, no more issues. With the ATV, CEC is disabled, yet it’s still controlling my devices.
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CEC is a crapshoot but none of the devices are off. The TV and Receiver may be in powered down mode but their CEC connections are still be alive and working* otherwise .... nothing would happen. That’s not to say I think the behavior you are seeing is acceptable but that it doesn’t sound unusual, and since CEC implementation standards are pretty random, any two devices are likely to produce unexpected results due to their combined whackiness even if they each behave each correctly on their own or when paired with other gear. One would hope that off means off but.....

.....sure, open a ticket with Apple. It would be less painful and probably cheaper (depending on how you value your time) to turn off CEC everywhere and pick up a simple Harmony remote, imo.



*which may mean not just listening but actively polling the rest of your gear.

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Question is it playing back at 50 fps or 50 Hz probably fps? I can't tell since my display just gives the number and I know my display supports both 50 and 60 Hz.
Not sure. All I know is my Yamaha will show 4k/50, for example, that is it. And that goes to Sony OLED's, which work fine, for whomever thought maybe Sony's wouldn't.
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With the ATV, CEC is disabled, yet it’s still controlling my devices.
and multiple posts have said this is not an uncommon problem, CEC is a crapshoot and the fact that you haven't had an issue until now is admirable and you'll find many of us just have given up on it ever being stable. Use the Lindy blocker if needed, but honest the fact that you had CEC working without issue is the exception not the standard.
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With the ATV, CEC is disabled, yet it’s still controlling my devices.
and multiple posts have said this is not an uncommon problem, CEC is a crapshoot and the fact that you haven't had an issue until now is admirable and you'll find many of us just have given up on it ever being stable. Use the Lindy blocker if needed, but honest the fact that you had CEC working without issue is the exception not the standard.
I’m fully aware that CEC is a crapshoot, I’m fully aware that it doesn’t work well in 99% of scenarios. I never stated otherwise. The only part of CEC I don’t have an issue with is for my TV/Receiver to auto-switch to the correct audio when using TV apps. The issue here is that ATV doesn’t actually disable CEC when you tell it to do so. I even stated that my PS4 did something similar to the ATV issues, however, guess what? When I turned off CEC in the PS4’s settings it, *gasp*, actually disabled its CEC and stopped giving issues... unlike the ATV where I suppose Apple would rather do what they think is best instead of being able to disable things - it’s a bit ridiculous that I need to buy that lindyblocker (I did) considering 99% of other devices allow you to simply shut off their CEC function in an options menu.

When I state that the ATV’s CEC is broken, I’m referencing how it is still “on” even when I select it to be “off”.

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When I state that the ATV’s CEC is broken, I’m referencing how it is still “on” even when I select it to be “off”.
Right, that's a common complaint in this thread and why I said it was "nothing new"
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When I state that the ATV’s CEC is broken, I’m referencing how it is still “on” even when I select it to be “off”.
Despite your protests to the contrary you don't seem to understand how this works. As has already been explained to you setting CEC to no means don't send CEC commands to other devices in response to Siri Remote button presses.

Each implementation is free to make a set of decisions. Having two compatibly operating devices that do you what you want doesn't make other devices that don't operate that way broken.

I'm sure either Apple, the chip maker or both tested for HDMI compliance and that's all that required. Until you put a CEC sniffer on your HDMI 'network' you have no idea what's happening or which component is at "fault".

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Brighter HDR?

Does anyone notice any difference in quality/brightness/color of your HDR or SDR content when leaving the Apple TV 4K at the following picture modes:

Mode A
2160p 4K HDR
Match Dynamic Range - On
Match Frame Rate - On
Chroma 4:2:2

Mode B
2160p 4K SDR
Match Dynamic Range - On
Match Frame Rate - On
Chroma 4:4:4

Does the HDR picture seem "more dynamic" or "vivid" when leaving the Apple TV 4K on Mode A and letting it watch HDR content versus leaving on Mode B and letting it switch to HDR when watching HDR content? Maybe I just have a placebo effect or my "eye-dynos" are off.

For reference I am using a Sony 940C and Pioneer Elite SC-97, Apple TV 4k connected to Pioneer Elite SC-97. Using HDR demos such as Samsung's Chasing the Light and LG's Chess demos for example, but I am just curious if others are noticing anything in other content similar to what I am "seeing"?
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Does anyone else still have issues with the vudu app and dolby vision on appletv 4k?


When playing content, it will freeze the frame every 30 to 45min or so requiring me to force close vudu and/or reboot the atv4k. When vudu app first released, many reported this problem with thor ragnarok which eventually was fixed afaik. Is it an encoding problem? Vudu bug? Appletv bug? It usually happens on the same frame even if i restart the film but if i skip ahead slightly, i can avoid it. This problem doesn't exist on dolby vision on netflix, hdr10 on Amazon prime, or the builtin vudu app on my lg b7.


Ive started using built in vudu app but prefer atv4k. Anyone else have a similar issue? Ivr considered factory resetting the atv4k or reinstalling vudu but considering the problem is easily reproducible...not sure it will help. Memory leak? Vudu incompetence? Apple bug or being fishy?
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Does anyone notice any difference in quality/brightness/color of your HDR or SDR content when leaving the Apple TV 4K at the following picture modes:



Mode A

2160p 4K HDR

Match Dynamic Range - On

Match Frame Rate - On

Chroma 4:2:2



Mode B

2160p 4K SDR

Match Dynamic Range - On

Match Frame Rate - On

Chroma 4:4:4



Does the HDR picture seem "more dynamic" or "vivid" when leaving the Apple TV 4K on Mode A and letting it watch HDR content versus leaving on Mode B and letting it switch to HDR when watching HDR content? Maybe I just have a placebo effect or my "eye-dynos" are off.



For reference I am using a Sony 940C and Pioneer Elite SC-97, Apple TV 4k connected to Pioneer Elite SC-97. Using HDR demos such as Samsung's Chasing the Light and LG's Chess demos for example, but I am just curious if others are noticing anything in other content similar to what I am "seeing"?


No difference for me using your mode A. When I forget to put it back to “B” (normal setting) on SDR content and it looks bad.


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