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post #18421 of 29852 Old 09-25-2018, 12:14 PM
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I guess I just don't get it.


1. Screensavers for anything, kicks in after a few minutes of inactivity, mainly to protect the display from any type of burn in, image retention, etc.
2. If the screensaver has kicked in, then that means I'm not using the device. e.g. apple tv, tv, roku, etc...
3. Many tv's have a screensaver for inputs when there's inactivity or a paused static display. Why do I need another screensaver on my apple, roku, blu-ray player, etc.
4. If I'm not using the device, not watching it, and the screensaver has kicked in; why would I care what the screensaver is. "I'm not there to watch it"?

Why not just have the tv produce a straight black/no light screen? Oh well.... guess I have better things to do with my time than to look at a screensaver. If I want to look at 4k/HDR images of the planet, nature, etc. I'm sure I can find them on the internet to look at.
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I wonder why Apple decided not to have HDR kick in automatically when the screensavers start. They look so much better in Dolby Vision.
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Either something is wrong with my various Apple TVs or you are referencing numerous 1080p screensavers as well, which aren't applicable to the Apple TV 4K.
An oxymoron since you yourself say the 1080p screen savers aren't applicable to the Apple TV 4K.

I am not referrencing anything other than the fact I have exactly 24 of the 33 screensavers referenced in the post you were responding to downloaded onto my Apple TV 4K so far including some of those filmed from the International Space Station which are part the TVoS 12 update mentioned on the What’s New screen pictured on the thumbnail below.

I have no explanation why you are seeing the same 9 or why another guy is only seeing LA and Dubai screensavers or why one guy is only seeing the same one LA screensaver only or why there are 600 related posts on the Apple Community forum.

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I am assuming your justification for the 64GB model being worthwhile for screensavers is tongue in cheek since all of them could comfortably fit on a 32GB. (and they would cycle through, just like how Apple TV dynamically deletes app data and redownloads it)
Not really — more a case that I am glad I splurged and spent $20 more for NAND because I have a FOMO.
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Hmm well, I didn't buy the 64 because Best Buy told me it was better, I was just mentioning they made a comment during checkout. I bought it because to me double the storage for an extra $20 on something that was already 180 seemed like a no brainer. I may not use it now, but who knows what the future will bring with features/etc and I'm not likely to replace it with a new model anytime soon.
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Has anyone noticed the ESPN app for ATV has defeated the screensaver? Months have passed since I complained of this and still the same after each update.

Screensaver is important to me because my TV doesn't have one for its inputs or internal TV apps. The TV will allow static images up to 2 hours before it intervenes (not that I'd knowingly allow it but yes, screensaver is important to me. But Apple support didn't seem to take issue with ESPN removing its usefulness when I thought it was an issue).

That's one of the 4 reasons I cancelled ESPN+, yesterday, before my free trial ended. I called support and made sure they knew each one in detail. I rarely need it is another reason.

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An oxymoron since you yourself say the 1080p screen savers aren't applicable to the Apple TV 4K.
What is an oxymoron? I am only saying that you grabbed some screenshots from a link for screensavers that look to be 1080p from my testing and they don't come up in normal cycles for me at least.

All of those come up in normal cycles without using the preview method for you? (The only way I have ever see some of them.)

Regardless, they're all small enough to fit on the Apple TV all at once.

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I am not referrencing anything other than the fact I have exactly 24 of the 33 screensavers referenced in the post you were responding to downloaded onto my Apple TV 4K so far including some of those filmed from the International Space Station which are part the TVoS 12 update mentioned on the What’s New screen pictured on the thumbnail below.

I have no explanation why you are seeing the same 9 or why another guy is only seeing LA and Dubai screensavers or why one guy is only seeing the same one LA screensaver only or why there are 600 related posts on the Apple Community forum.
I should clarify with the 9 count I was referring to were the source files I grabbed from URLs to look at the file size.

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Not really — more a case that I am glad I splurged and spent $20 more for NAND because I have a FOMO.
And there's nothing wrong with that, I recently splurged on my new Apple Watch and new iPhone. I just don't want someone to feel they need a 64GB for screensavers because it is not true and I have yet to see a single example of the 64GB SKU being necessary under any condition due to app thinning.

The Apple TV doesn't even report how much storage is being used and that is by design because it is all handled dynamically in the background without any user intervention. You can sort of find out how much space apps are taking up by going to Settings -> General -> Manage Storage but even then you are just seeing the "thinned" version with the necessary slice and only user installed apps but no overall storage utilization information. Using Asphalt 8 as an example, it is 294MB installed on the Apple TV but 2.1GB on iOS devices.

So in short, absolutely nothing wrong with wanting the larger capacity SKU, there is just no evidence to show any advantage.
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Crap, just when I thought I could bow out gracefully from the screensaver conversation, just for kicks I changed my Video settings from SDR default to HDR and now my 24 screensavers (SDR) only includes the following 11 (HDR)...

  • Travelling along the Nuussuaq Peninsula
  • Passing Downtown Los Angeles
  • Flying along Dubai Marina in the United Arab Emirates
  • Following Interstate 110 north through Los Angeles
  • Approaching Burj Khalifa in Downtown United Arab Emirates
  • Over Wan Chai Approaching Central Hong Kong
  • Travelling along Sheikh Zayed Road in Dubai, United Arab Emirates
  • Over Santa Monica State Beach in Los Angeles
  • Griffith Observatory and the Hollywood Hills in Los Angeles
  • Over Victoria Harbour heading toward Central Hong Kong
  • Flying over Los Angeles Internation Airport

So here is what I read on another site today — Apple maintains both an SDR version and an HDR version... so when I switched back to SDR as I expected it appears that all of the 24 screensavers previously downloaded still remained.

The moral of this story is in theory if I switch my default settings back and forth between SDR and HDR I could end up with 66 screen savers instead of the 33 currently available which will certainly eat up the flash memory.

Something else I learned is that if you tap the touch pad on the remote rather than sweeping left or right while watching one of the NASA screensavers it will tell you what part of earth you are looking at as shown in the 9 thumbnails below taken from the same screensaver...
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I wonder why Apple decided not to have HDR kick in automatically when the screensavers start. They look so much better in Dolby Vision.
Ummm, perhaps because that would be a massively bad thing for some users?
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... because I have a FOMO.
Can't argue with that.

It is, in fact, an entirely rational reason for spending of one's own dang money.

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I wonder why Apple decided not to have HDR kick in automatically when the screensavers start. They look so much better in Dolby Vision.
I'm guessing this is a design decision to make the transition into and out of screensavers to be a smooth as possible.
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I wonder why Apple decided not to have HDR kick in automatically when the screensavers start. They look so much better in Dolby Vision.


Good question. One of the main bummers of setting 4K/SDR with Match Frame/Range on. Would be nice if the screensavers triggered DV.


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No ATMOS on Netflix

Downloaded and installed 12.01 yesterday in the hope that I would now get Dolby ATMOS on Netflix. 12.0 gave me ATMOS on Zulu but not on Netflix. Called Netflix support and was told that even though my account meets all the requirements for ATMOS that unless I was using the built in speakers on the TV that it wouldn't work??? Took 2 transfers to advanced support before they admitted that it wasn't true. However they also said that it was an Apple TV 4K issue and not a problem with their buggy software. Their explanation was that Apple hasn't updated the Netflix app to the version that supports ATMOS. Was hoping that 12.01 was the cure. Anyone else seeing this problem?
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12.0 brought ATMOS on Netflix to me.
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Downloaded and installed 12.01 yesterday in the hope that I would now get Dolby ATMOS on Netflix. 12.0 gave me ATMOS on Zulu but not on Netflix. Called Netflix support and was told that even though my account meets all the requirements for ATMOS that unless I was using the built in speakers on the TV that it wouldn't work??? Took 2 transfers to advanced support before they admitted that it wasn't true. However they also said that it was an Apple TV 4K issue and not a problem with their buggy software. Their explanation was that Apple hasn't updated the Netflix app to the version that supports ATMOS. Was hoping that 12.01 was the cure. Anyone else seeing this problem?


Sounds fishy. Are you sure your AVR or soundbar supports Atmos?


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I guess I just don't get it.


1. Screensavers for anything, kicks in after a few minutes of inactivity, mainly to protect the display from any type of burn in, image retention, etc.
2. If the screensaver has kicked in, then that means I'm not using the device. e.g. apple tv, tv, roku, etc...
3. Many tv's have a screensaver for inputs when there's inactivity or a paused static display. Why do I need another screensaver on my apple, roku, blu-ray player, etc.
4. If I'm not using the device, not watching it, and the screensaver has kicked in; why would I care what the screensaver is. "I'm not there to watch it"?

Why not just have the tv produce a straight black/no light screen? Oh well.... guess I have better things to do with my time than to look at a screensaver. If I want to look at 4k/HDR images of the planet, nature, etc. I'm sure I can find them on the internet to look at.
Sometimes you use an audio only podcast hence screensaver, sometimes they are interesting to watch when streaming music. Saves turning on another device just for audio use.
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I am only saying that you grabbed some screenshots from a link for screensavers that look to be 1080p from my testing and they don't come up in normal cycles for me at least.

All of those come up in normal cycles without using the preview method for you? (The only way I have ever see some of them.)
Well, not all 29 every day but yes a lot of the new ones are coming up automatically throughout the course of the day.

The 33 screen shots included with this post came from a trusted site to save me some time while ensuring I could include the ones not on my Apple TV 4K yet... but the ones I posted first thing this morning in THIS POST came from an even more reliable source — me!

Those are 6 photos of my actual TV screen! You can even see the stand...



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That last one had my jaw dropped last night.
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I have seen/received the new screensavers with TVOS 12.
...so I am obviously not the only guy seeing some of the new ones and yes, I will say it again, I am seeing new ones without having to hit the preview where I posted this morning...

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The first one I saw being used automatically was the National Park in China and I was blown away to see something other than the usual ones!
...which it has continued to do throughout the day by displaying different ones each time.

I could have taken 24 pictures of all the screensavers downloaded to my Apple TV 4K so far if that’s what it takes to prove to people that I am not out to fool anyone.

I don’t care that you or anyone else for that matter bought the 32 Gb model so why do you care that I mentioned that I have the 64 Gb model (but only after some guys were saying they had only a limited number of screensavers downloaded and none of the new ones) which I thought might be useful for troubleshooting?

Just trying to help but I sure as heck didn’t think I would have to defend my purchase decision. To tell you the truth I couldn’t care less if the Apple TV 4K cached all the screensavers or flushed it every night after downloading a new one. No biggie.

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Just trying to help but I sure as heck didn’t think I would have to defend my purchase decision. To tell you the truth I couldn’t care less if the Apple TV 4K cached all the screensavers or flushed it every night after downloading a new one. No biggie.
Basically my point the whole time and didn't mean to make you feel that you had to defend your purchase. I said I totally understood the rationale going for the 64GB a while back.
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Basically my point the whole time and didn't mean to make you feel that you had to defend your purchase. I said I totally understood the rationale going for the 64GB a while back.
You assume any of us had any idea which would be best -- 64Gb or 32Gb -- I think it was more along the notion of twice as much memory has to be twice as good.

I just didn't want to find myself spending $229 CAD for the 32 Gb or $20 CAD more ($15.44 USD) for the 64 Gb and then reading that I should have gone with the more expensive model.

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You assume any of us had any idea which would be best -- 64Gb or 32Gb -- I think it was more along the notion of twice as much memory has to be twice as good.

I just didn't want to find myself spending $229 CAD for the 32 Gb or $20 CAD more ($15.44 USD) for the 64 Gb and then reading that I should have gone with the more expensive model.

Have a good night!
Frankly, I probably would have made that same choice for the same reason. The trivial difference in cost. (Not typical for Apple products.)

But I bought my 32gb before the 64's were shipping.

The opportunity cost of impatience.
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So here is what I read on another site today — Apple maintains both an SDR version and an HDR version.
This is new behavior (I think in tvOS 12 but I haven't checked in while). Previously the 4K assets were 4K/@30DV. Now they are [email protected] in SDR for SDR and DV for DV/HDR10.

For what it's worth my tvOS 12.0.1 instance has just one 4K HDR aerials while the 12.1b0 instance has six. I normally set the UI to [email protected]/SDR.

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This is new behavior (I think in tvOS 12 but I haven't checked in while). Previously the 4K assets were 4K/@30DV. Now they are [email protected] in SDR for SDR and DV for DV/HDR10.

For what it's worth my tvOS 12.0.1 instance has just one 4K HDR aerials while the 12.1b0 instance has six. I normally set the UI to [email protected]/SDR.
bodosom, why are you setting the "normal UI" to 4K30 instead of 4K60? Over the past many months most people have been using the 4K60 with both matches on. (just wondering).
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bodosom, why are you setting the "normal UI" to 4K30 instead of 4K60?
Originally it was because the screen savers are 30fps and people were reporting that the slower UI was unpleasant. Now it's just idiosyncratic. Also incovenient since it's on the second page of video formats. I do tend to run my test box at [email protected]/60 and they all spend time at various formats including [email protected]


The real downside is the delay in discovering that your cable won't do [email protected] anymore.

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Downloaded and installed 12.01 yesterday in the hope that I would now get Dolby ATMOS on Netflix. 12.0 gave me ATMOS on Zulu but not on Netflix. Called Netflix support and was told that even though my account meets all the requirements for ATMOS that unless I was using the built in speakers on the TV that it wouldn't work??? Took 2 transfers to advanced support before they admitted that it wasn't true. However they also said that it was an Apple TV 4K issue and not a problem with their buggy software. Their explanation was that Apple hasn't updated the Netflix app to the version that supports ATMOS. Was hoping that 12.01 was the cure. Anyone else seeing this problem?
Go into apps and make sure Background App Refresh is set to on for Netflix. Also try restart from the system menu. Hopefully, these steps will ensure that you have the latest version of Netflix installed on your Apple TV.
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Go into apps and make sure Background App Refresh is set to on for Netflix. Also try restart from the system menu. Hopefully, these steps will ensure that you have the latest version of Netflix installed on your Apple TV.
Also go to the Apps store and check purchased. See if Netflix shows an update available. ATMOS works fine with the updated Netflix app.
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Did the 12.1 upgrade yesterday and started seeing the new screensavers immediately. There it is.
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bodosom, why are you setting the "normal UI" to 4K30 instead of 4K60? Over the past many months most people have been using the 4K60 with both matches on. (just wondering).
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Audio Sync Drift on Netflix

Anyone else notice and Audio Sync drift on Netflix. It'll be spot on and a minute later it will be off and 30 seconds later back on, etc... Seems that it's sync'd and then not. Seems like a new issue since 12.0

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Downloaded and installed 12.01 yesterday in the hope that I would now get Dolby ATMOS on Netflix. 12.0 gave me ATMOS on Zulu but not on Netflix. Called Netflix support and was told that even though my account meets all the requirements for ATMOS that unless I was using the built in speakers on the TV that it wouldn't work??? Took 2 transfers to advanced support before they admitted that it wasn't true. However they also said that it was an Apple TV 4K issue and not a problem with their buggy software. Their explanation was that Apple hasn't updated the Netflix app to the version that supports ATMOS. Was hoping that 12.01 was the cure. Anyone else seeing this problem?
No problem getting Netflix Atmos (Iron Fist season 2) with 12.0.

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Oops, I was thinking of something else. I.e. have you tried all your inputs? Also do you have any other external devices (e.g. UHD player) that produce Atmos. You need to verify that your Atmos configuration is valid, not that I would expect your ARC port to be different (other than bidirectional) from other inputs.

No I don't have any other external devices such Blu Ray player. I will try putting it into a different port other than one marked as Media Player where it is currently hooked.

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No problem getting Netflix Atmos (Iron Fist season 2) with 12.0.

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Hi Claw,


I have Denon X2400H. My set up is ATV4K (via Belkins cable) --> Denon X2400 Media Player HDMI Input port --> From Denon HDMI ARC ---> LG C7 HDMI ARC.


I have configured ATV 4K so that Quick Start is ON and for Audio (Change Format is off) it's set to Auto, Atmos available.


I get Atmos on my Denon from Dolby Access or Netflix Apps on my TV but from ATV4K I only get Multi Channel In + DDSurround when playing Atmos content on Netflix or Itunes. Can you think of any issues that is preventing Atmos from being played via ATV ?
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