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Prime Video played in wrong Aspect Ratio!?!?!

New to ATV4K and to streaming, and while our first Amazon Prime movie Arrival played alright in 2.35:1, the second one we watched last night (The Glass Castle) did something very strange:

I started it zoomed to fit my 2.35 projection screen, but right during the opening logos it switched to 1.78 (or 1.85) and so I paused it and zoomed it-out to fit the screen again. Watched the whole thing that way, until in the credits I saw that the credits were cut-off on either side of the image! I fiddled with the ATV4K remote, exiting the movie and entering it again, and after doing this (maybe more than once) the thing expaned to 'scope and I could see all of the image.

TGC is not a movie I'd want to watch again and especially not to see what I missed on the sides, and next time before playing ANY Amazon Prime video I will check IMDB first to make sure I know what the AR is, but...has anyone here seen anything like this??? FWIW I feel quite certain that neither my AVR nor my Sony 4K projector had anything to do with this i.e. I'd not touched those settings except the zoom-out/zoom-in necessary.

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The default double click can zoom and crop a scope ratio movie. Beware of that.

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The default double click can zoom and crop a scope ratio movie. Beware of that...
Yikes Brian I have no knowledge of that!?!?!

Guess I have some homework to do--that is the likely reason for my problem!


EDIT: Crazy; I found a blog post about this but nothing from Apple or in their user guide. Maddening, but many thanks Brian for your quick response!

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Maybe you were watching it on your phone? Or an iPad from across the room?



Seriously, the cinematographer who was responsible for the show said it was over-compressed, so that is pretty much beyond dispute!
Nope, LoL, streaming from the Apple TV through my Pioneer AVR to my Sony Z9F.

I can dispute that it wasn't for all TVs.... Maybe in general to compensate for TVs with less processing abilities.

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Ah, it's true the Sony does have superior "handling" of near black artifacts. Still this is really just noise reduction by another name. The stream/broadcast/download itself was a real mess as the cinematographer agrees
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If you have HBO via:

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Is “HBO Now” going away?
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This GoT episode looked bad even through Amazon's HBO channel which is double the bit rate of HBO GO/NOW
It also looked bad via Comcast subscription (not streaming) through my TiVo Roamio Pro DVR. I don't know what the bitrate is for them, but knowing it looked like crap on most streaming platforms makes me feel a little better.

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I don't think so, HBOGO is to use if you subscribe through a TV provider.

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Is “HBO Now” going away?
I don't imagine that it will unless HBO decides it's redundant and they want to decrease iOS/tvOS development resources. The list I provided wasn't intended to be exhaustive with respect to HBO.

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It also looked bad via Comcast subscription (not streaming) through my TiVo Roamio Pro DVR. I don't know what the bitrate is for them, but knowing it looked like crap on most streaming platforms makes me feel a little better.

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Comcast bitrate for their linear HBO channel is capped at 4 Mb/s and is in a 720p/60 MPEG4(AVC) format.
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Comcast bitrate for their linear HBO channel is capped at 4 Mb/s and is in a 720p/60 MPEG4(AVC) format.


Oof..thankfully there are streaming options
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I have a LG C8 OLED TV that supports 4k and HDR. So I want to watch a movie (Star Wars The Force Awakens) I have on regular blu-ray (Not ultra HD HDR 4k). Will it look better on regular Blu-ray or streamed from Apple in 4K/HDR? I sit 10 feet away so I don't think the 4k matters that much, but the HDR would.

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I have a LG C8 OLED TV that supports 4k and HDR. So I want to watch a movie (Star Wars The Force Awakens) I have on regular blu-ray (Not ultra HD HDR 4k). Will it look better on regular Blu-ray or streamed from Apple in 4K/HDR? I sit 10 feet away so I don't think the 4k matters that much, but the HDR would.
Yes, IMO the HDR is the bigger wow factor. I would watch in iTunes 4K over Standard Blu-Ray. Audio will be better on the Blu-Ray though.

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I have a LG C8 OLED TV that supports 4k and HDR. So I want to watch a movie (Star Wars The Force Awakens) I have on regular blu-ray (Not ultra HD HDR 4k). Will it look better on regular Blu-ray or streamed from Apple in 4K/HDR? I sit 10 feet away so I don't think the 4k matters that much, but the HDR would.
You won't be able to stream it in 4K HDR or Dolby Vision via iTunes because of some Disney/Apple pricing scuffles. You'll want to use the Vudu app which will provide a nice 4K Dolby Vision presentation.
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You won't be able to stream it in 4K HDR or Dolby Vision via iTunes because of some Disney/Apple pricing scuffles. You'll want to use the Vudu app which will provide a nice Dolby Vision presentation.
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I have a LG C8 OLED TV that supports 4k and HDR. So I want to watch a movie (Star Wars The Force Awakens) I have on regular blu-ray (Not ultra HD HDR 4k). Will it look better on regular Blu-ray or streamed from Apple in 4K/HDR? I sit 10 feet away so I don't think the 4k matters that much, but the HDR would.
Yep, forgot about that. Gotta go Vudu in that case. Thanks for the correction.

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You won't be able to stream it in 4K HDR or Dolby Vision via iTunes because of some Disney/Apple pricing scuffles. You'll want to use the Vudu app which will provide a nice 4K Dolby Vision presentation.
Except SW:TFA is only HDX on VUDU, so the BR disk is the best version currently, @agerson
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Except SW:TFA is only HDX on VUDU, so the BR disk is the best version currently, @agerson


This TFA is not available in 4K yet. The only Star Wars movies available for purchase are Solo and The Last Jedi. We may get the rest (RO, TFA) around November or when The new SW comes to disc.
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Maybe you were watching it on your phone? Or an iPad from across the room?

Seriously, the cinematographer who was responsible for the show said it was over-compressed, so that is pretty much beyond dispute!
Read this piece from Tech Crunch. Really great run down concerning H.264 codec limitations - which can be just as impactful as streaming bitrates. Hello darkness my old friend . . .

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Except SW:TFA is only HDX on VUDU, so the BR disk is the best version currently, @agerson
It looks like Disney and Lucasfilm are planning to release the first 6 Star Wars movies on 4K along with The Force Awakens and Rogue One sometime in Oct/Nov after the Disney-Fox Merger happens. At that point, maybe they will bring back for Ep IX, the opening Fox fanfare that went missing for Ep VII and VIII. The newer episodes just don't have the same starting energy feel without it


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That's strange. I have mine set to 4K SDR with auto stitching enabled. For one thing this stops the UI from being forced into HDR mode - BUT it does switch to HDR when present.
How is auto switching enabled? Maybe I missed that?
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It looks like Disney and Lucasfilm are planning to release the first 6 Star Wars movies on 4K along with The Force Awakens and Rogue One sometime in Oct/Nov after the Disney-Fox Merger happens.
Oh please let these all come with iTunes 4K upgrades .... (I suppose first of all Disney movies would have to be generally available in iTunes before that could happen.) (Maybe.)

My recent $4.99 copy of Alien becoming 4K was so wonderful. Hopefully when Disney leaves Netfux they will also change the plan to not have 4k iTunes versions.... maybe not.
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Hi,

I submitted iTunes feedback suggesting when a purchased movie is removed from the store that I be compensated with Store credit instead of rental credit.

Mainly because,... I don't tend to rent.

Anyways,... The link to submit iTunes feedback is here..

https://www.apple.com/feedback/itunesapp.html

In case anyone wants to suggest any other similar or different iTunes changes.

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How is auto switching enabled? Maybe I missed that?

In the video settings set Match Dynamic Range to ON and you can set Match Framerate to ON.


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Oh please let these all come with iTunes 4K upgrades .... (I suppose first of all Disney movies would have to be generally available in iTunes before that could happen.) (Maybe.)



My recent $4.99 copy of Alien becoming 4K was so wonderful. Hopefully when Disney leaves Netfux they will also change the plan to not have 4k iTunes versions.... maybe not.

Disney IS largely on ITunes, not in 4K of course, but HD. I don’t see the 4K Disney availability changing. They want to charge a premium and Apple does. It went to. Neither side has budged.



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It looks like Disney and Lucasfilm are planning to release the first 6 Star Wars movies on 4K along with The Force Awakens and Rogue One sometime in Oct/Nov after the Disney-Fox Merger happens. At that point, maybe they will bring back for Ep IX, the opening Fox fanfare that went missing for Ep VII and VIII. The newer episodes just don't have the same starting energy feel without it



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a1QMh6A_L8


The deal is done...while I do expect the discs, much of this is to do with Disney+ why would they add something for a company that’s not involved?
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Disney IS largely on ITunes, not in 4K of course, but HD. I don’t see the 4K Disney availability changing. They want to charge a premium and Apple doesn't want to [sic]. Neither side has budged.
Apple is philosophically opposed to charging more for 4K/HDR versions of content vs. HD. I'm certain we won't see 4K/DV on any Disney title for quite some time. A lot will depend on how well Disney+ does after the release of Ep. IX - which is being billed in the trailer as the "end of the saga". At some point, the entire SW franchise will become stale and people will no longer want to pay a premium. Sales of rentals and buys will slump. They (Disney) might rethink things at that point. I know that I will not pay for ANOTHER subscription service. I'm a huge Star Trek fan, but I refuse to pay for CBS's service.

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The first SW (Ep. IV) was produced by Alan Ladd at Fox. Fox was also the distributor. After that, Lucas had his own cash to produce Eps. V and VI, but Fox still remained the distributor - even thought they weren't involved. There's no reason why Disney couldn't name Fox the distributor for Ep. IX.
Probably wishful thinking on my part, but unless one has waited in line on opening night - (Chinese Theater in Hollywood) - for the first SW movie - (not named Ep. IV at that point) - one wouldn't really get the adrenaline rush that the Fox fanfare had on everyone in the audience. It was a disappointment when I saw SW-TFA, and that the fanfare was missing. Took the wind right out of the sails and made TFA start a little flat for me and it seemed isolated.

When it comes to predicting Disney's behavior, you're probably right about all of this . . .

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Apple is philosophically opposed to charging more for 4K/HDR versions of content vs. HD. I'm certain we won't see 4K/DV on any Disney title for quite some time. A lot will depend on how well Disney+ does after the release of Ep. IX - which is being billed in the trailer as the "end of the saga". At some point, the entire SW franchise will become stale and people will no longer want to pay a premium. Sales of rentals and buys will slump. They (Disney) might rethink things at that point. I know that I will not pay for ANOTHER subscription service. I'm a huge Star Trek fan, but I refuse to pay for CBS's service.







The first SW (Ep. IV) was produced by Alan Ladd at Fox. Fox was also the distributor. After that, Lucas had his own cash to produce Eps. V and VI, but Fox still remained the distributor - even thought they weren't involved. There's no reason why Disney couldn't name Fox the distributor for Ep. IX.

Probably wishful thinking on my part, but unless one has waited in line on opening night - (Chinese Theater in Hollywood) - for the first SW movie - (not named Ep. IV at that point) - one wouldn't really get the adrenaline rush that the Fox fanfare had on everyone in the audience. It was a disappointment when I saw SW-TFA, and that the fanfare was missing. Took the wind right out of the sails and made TFA start a little flat for me and it seemed isolated.



When it comes to predicting Disney's behavior, you're probably right about all of this . . .


People have been saying the SW will become old and stale for many years now, they always get proven wrong. Quite aware of the history of Episode IV as well wishful thinking it is as far as distribution goes. Disney hasn’t budged in years and SW has always had a tight grip held. As far as Disney+, there will be many many folks who do subscribe (I’ll be one) not only for the combined catalog, but for access to 4K HDR titles and the OC that will be coming. You’re also making grand assumptions about the fanfare that just aren’t true on a massive scale (that you needed to wait for one movie at one theater to “understand”).
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You’re also making grand assumptions about the fanfare that just aren’t true on a massive scale (that you needed to wait for one movie at one theater to “understand”).
If you had actually been there as I was - ( in my early 20's ) - you would be in agreement with me. After reading the above, one might come away with the impression that I'm the only one who feels that Star Wars and the Fox fanfare are forever interlinked and synonymous with the experience. That would be inaccurate - to say the very least. I know I'm getting off topic, but I had to respond. My apologies.

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It looks like Disney and Lucasfilm are planning to release the first 6 Star Wars movies on 4K along with The Force Awakens and Rogue One sometime in Oct/Nov after the Disney-Fox Merger happens. At that point, maybe they will bring back for Ep IX, the opening Fox fanfare that went missing for Ep VII and VIII. The newer episodes just don't have the same starting energy feel without it

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I thought that the Disney-Fox merger had already happened?

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If you had actually been there as I was - ( in my early 20's ) - you would be in agreement with me. After reading the above, one might come away with the impression that I'm the only one who feels that Star Wars and the Fox fanfare are forever interlinked and synonymous with the experience. That would be inaccurate - to say the very least. I know I'm getting off topic, but I had to respond. My apologies.



Google returned around 700,000 hits on the subject. Below are just a few examples:



"There's been something special missing from a galaxy far, far away ever since 'The Force Awakens.'"

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...r-wars-1067900

https://www.quora.com/Did-you-miss-t...-Force-Awakens

https://www.businessinsider.com/star...-music-2015-12

https://movieweb.com/star-wars-fox-fanfare-disney-deal/


You’re beating a dead horse and dismissing the generations or folks who feel the way you do by saying “you’re the one “true” experience”. I’m quite aware of WHY folks are so attached to it, but there are many folks who are fans of this series. That is my point. You’re alienating many people with your hard stance, but I guess that’s OK for some. For me I welcome all fans of SW and I can always watch the older Star Wars if I want a nostalgia kick. SW is many things, but the FF is only a small aspect of the greater universe. Could they bring it back?, sure, but I’ll still enjoy the new movies just the same without it.
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