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post #22561 of 25643 Old 05-13-2019, 05:30 PM
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I don't know why people claim itunes don't sell 4k. I clearly see it.



For what its worth I chose to buy apple tv due to 4k titles being available at the same price as hd.
I also redeemed lots of codes on iTunes due to this.

So yeah I will be mad at apple.


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When I bought it, it's listed as 4k. I don't know why you argue about it. I've also purchased many titles from Vudu that had the same price for HD and 4k. Some titles even had the same prices for SD, HD and 4k.

I was none the wiser because I never use it. My pitchfork is sharp and ready. LoL
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My point is that Vudu has three tiers of entitlements, SD, HDX, and UHD. Sure sometimes the prices are the same but they are unique entitlements tied to resolution whereas Apple at the core is selling entitlements in two tiers SD or HD/4K where if something is 4K, it is upgraded from the HD price, gratis. If 4K is being removed it is down to the studios pulling it as the content/rights are in their control but I cannot recall a case where a movie went from 4K to HD indefinitely, it is usually the studio propping a new version due to an issue with the previous one.
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So yeah I will be mad at apple.
Then your anger is misdirected, see post above.
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Has anybody in the US seen a lot of films downgrade over the past 24 hours. So far in the UK I’ve seen all of the harry potters bar the first one turn HD. Both jump street films have gone back as has the Lego movie. Others on AVforums are also reporting a lot of films reverting back. I’m sure they’ll be sorted in time but the scale of the downgrading is eye opening.
This was posted over in the Digital Movies 4K group on MeWe a couple of days ago...
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Is there anyway to check the bitrate of audio on an Apple TV 4K running directly into a 2017 LG OLED C7?

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Yes. Prerequisites include a Mac computer in your possession, as well as the xCode app installed. After completing a few procedures using xCode, a "Developer" menu item with a "HUD" option will appear. The HUD will show you both the video and audio bitrates, as well as frame rates and other interesting info for any media/content playback app.

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This was posted over in the Digital Movies 4K group on MeWe a couple of days ago...


Yeah, sometimes I wish people would stop saying “this looks permanent”. This isn’t the first time a title or titles have been downgraded and won’t be the last. In all previous cases the title returned to 4K. Sometimes with a new transfer, added ATMOS or something else. It could be weeks, it could be days, we just need patience.
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I agree. There seems to have been a large number of titles downgraded over the last 2-3 days though. This suggests to me that there’s some kind of problem as opposed to just the usual sporadic downgrades which have been led by the studios upgrading or changing something.


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Doesn't make sense to me. For example, my digital transfer to Vudu from iTunes of my 8 film Harry Potter collection is still 4k in Movies Anywhere and 4k DV in Vudu.

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I know it doesn't make a lot of sense. In the iTunes Store they flaunt 4K but iTunes really sells HD downloads and provides access to some 4K cloud versions. When I buy a movie on iTunes I "should" download the HD copy. I don't... but some people do.

It's almost dis-honest... but iTunes position is they are selling you the ability to download and they don't offer downloads for 4K.

On Vudu they sell actual 4K content and Movies Anywhere does too. You can buy 4K content there.

Before anyone brings it up again if you go to Report a Problem you may see purchases listed as 4K in iTunes. That seems to indicate that you bought a 4K license.... You didn't tho... it's confusing for sure. But when you have worked with it for a while it becomes clear. Go ask iTunes where The Hunger Games 4K is and they have a ready response about how you may have bought it but you are NOT the owner of the content. The owner of the content (studios) can do what they want with it at any time.


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For the record i just noticed that my Dark knight trilogy have been "downgraded" from 4K Dolby vision to HD.
Batman begins and Dark knight is in HD and Dark knighr rises is in 4K Dolby vision.

Lets hope its some kind of problem with the update.

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Just in case you haven't seen it or heard, tvOS 12.3 has been released.
Yep, too bad we can’t filter by HDR & 4K as in the previous tvOS version. The “Library” entry in tvOS 12.3 seem to have lost that filter. Or maybe it doesn’t show if ALL of my 40 HDR movies got downgraded
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I looked at the notes/screenshots in the ATV app store. It uses the test patterns from the AVS calibration disc.



It looks like someone turned the AVS HD.709 files into an ATV app.
Knowing that I think I'll buy it. It's a neat idea. I found a couple other apps like TVTune UP which is on sale for $0.99

Edit - instead of buying the app I put free HDR10 test patterns from the display calibration forum on a network share and use them with infuse.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...-patterns.html


Some people say not to use ATV4K to generate test patterns. I figure it's my main source that I watch almost exclusively so I don't mind calibrating it.

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I don't know why people claim itunes don't sell 4k. I clearly see it.

For what its worth I chose to buy apple tv due to 4k titles being available at the same price as hd.
I also redeemed lots of codes on iTunes due to this.

So yeah I will be mad at apple.
The reason people are saying what they are is because the previous answer is that they did NOT sell 4K movies, that's a recent development, the majority of movies most of us have were bought or redeemed as 1080 HD copies and recently got upgrades for free.
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The reason people are saying what they are is because the previous answer is that they did NOT sell 4K movies, that's a recent development, the majority of movies most of us have were bought or redeemed as 1080 HD copies and recently got upgrades for free.
I disagree with the statements that we are not buying the 4K rights. Every movie that I bought in iTunes that is 4K shows as 4K rights in MoviesAnywhere. One of the recently downgraded titles in iTunes is Taxi Driver. I can still watch it in 4K in the MoviesAnywhere app.
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I disagree with the statements that we are not buying the 4K rights. Every movie that I bought in iTunes that is 4K shows as 4K rights in MoviesAnywhere. One of the recently downgraded titles in iTunes is Taxi Driver. I can still watch it in 4K in the MoviesAnywhere app.
If you bought it before 2018 where did it say that you bought 4K rights? it doesn't because you didn't, you got a free upgrade from your 1080 purchase.
Folks that have bought in the last year AND bought with the 4K badge have every reason to complain, folks that bought HD copies do not, we were never promised 4K upgrades, it's a gift not a right.

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I bought the first Blade Runner from iTune in HD for $4.99 I was under impression once they release it in 4k the title I bought would be in 4k down the line , but I noticed that the Blade Runner The Final Cut was released in 4k Dolby vision & Dolby Atmos but my copy still says it's HD .

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I bought the first Blade Runner from iTune in HD for $4.99 I was under impression once they release it in 4k the title I bought would be in 4k down the line , but I noticed that the Blade Runner The Final Cut was released in 4k Dolby vision & Dolby Atmos but my copy still says it's HD .
Did you buy Blade Runner (The Final Cut) or just Blade Runner?

Blade Runner (The Final Cut) is 4K: https://itunes.apple.com/us/movie/bl...ut/id566651076
Blade Runner is HD: https://itunes.apple.com/us/movie/bl...er/id594314564

They are separate titles in the store.
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I bought the first Blade Runner from iTune in HD for $4.99 I was under impression once they release it in 4k the title I bought would be in 4k down the line , but I noticed that the Blade Runner The Final Cut was released in 4k Dolby vision & Dolby Atmos but my copy still says it's HD .
Yep. Some of the "special" cuts or versions of a given title will only be available in HD/SDR, and probably will never get upgraded to 4K/HDR/DV. For example, I bought the UHD Blu-ray of "The Martian: Extended Edition" and redeemed the digital copy in iTunes in HD/SDR. About a year later, iTunes released the theatrical version in 4K/HDR. Unfortunately, my "Extended Edition" stayed HD/SDR, and I don't expect that it will ever get the 4K/HDR treatment. Especially now - due to the 20th Cent Fox merger with Disney.
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Yep. Some of the "special" cuts or versions of a given title will only be available in HD/SDR, and probably will never get upgraded to 4K/HDR/DV. For example, I bought the UHD Blu-ray of "The Martian: Extended Edition" and redeemed the digital copy in iTunes in HD/SDR. About a year later, iTunes released the theatrical version in 4K/HDR. Unfortunately, my "Extended Edition" stayed HD/SDR, and I don't expect that it will ever get the 4K/HDR treatment. Especially now - due to the 20th Cent Fox merger with Disney.
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Did you buy Blade Runner (The Final Cut) or just Blade Runner?

Blade Runner (The Final Cut) is 4K: https://itunes.apple.com/us/movie/bl...ut/id566651076
Blade Runner is HD: https://itunes.apple.com/us/movie/bl...er/id594314564

They are separate titles in the store.
This is what happened I bought the reg BR in HD from iTune for $4.99 long time ago & my friend give me the BR Final Cut DVD as gift in 4k & all the works , to make the story short I took the digital copy put the code in WB site redeem place but my copy ended up in Vudu instead of iTunes . Now somehow the digital copy ended up in cyber space somewhere & folks at Vudu want to see my receipt tho I provided them with cover copy & the code , they say that's not good enough they want to see the receipt .

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The bottomline! From this point forward, if one cares about 4K rights then make sure that the retailer purchase or code redeem will generate a 4K transaction record in Movies Anywhere (retailer UHD/4K transaction record also works). This is not always simple, but that's the way it is at this point in time. One day, most titles, will be 4K and then we'll be talking about 8K.

EDIT: True that not all studios belong to MA at this point in time. However, the concept of having a 4K transaction record is still valid. For example, redeem or purchase ALL Marvel titles from Vudu or MA and NOT iTunes. If iTunes EVER gets Marvel 4K then your iTunes rights would upgrade because of the MA transaction records.

If a title is UHD/4K in Vudu and NOT yet in MA then you should redeem or purchase in Vudu. When the studio joins MA you'll get 4K rights ported to all the retailers from Vudu.

The above strategy can be costly, with some titles, so I reserve the 4K focus for titles that are currently 4K and all newer titles. Personally, I take advantage of the cheap HD pricing and sales in iTunes for older titles that may or may not upgrade to 4K. For example, I just purchased the Batman 4 Film Collection in iTunes expecting the 4K upgrade in June. I'll be happy to have the 4K rights, but I fully understand that I have NOT purchased those rights.

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This is what happened I bought the reg BR in HD from iTune for $4.99 long time ago & my friend give me the BR Final Cut DVD as gift in 4k & all the works , to make the story short I took the digital copy put the code in WB site redeem place but my copy ended up in Vudu instead of iTunes . Now somehow the digital copy ended up in cyber space somewhere & folks at Vudu want to see my receipt tho I provided them with cover copy & the code , they say that's not good enough they want to see the receipt .
Do you own the Final Cut in UHD in Vudu or is it just HD? If it's UHD, then that should port UHD to MA. However if you redeemed a 4K code prior to Vudu having the 4K version, then you are stuck without a receipt to show to Vudu. You may be able to contact WB support with the code and they might be able to help by issuing a new code (sometimes works).

Anytime you redeem a code/make a purchase, make sure the service you are redeeming has the 4K version available, otherwise you are typically stuck with the version at the time of redemption. If it's an MA title, sometimes the safest place to redeem is directly in MA.
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Anytime you redeem a code/make a purchase, make sure the service you are redeeming has the 4K version available, otherwise you are typically stuck with the version at the time of redemption. If it's an MA title, sometimes the safest place to redeem is directly in MA.
Well said!

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The bottomline! From this point forward, if one cares about 4K rights then make sure that the retailer purchase or code redeem will generate a 4K transaction record in Movies Anywhere. This is not always simple, but that's the way it is at this point in time. One day, most titles, will be 4K and then we'll be talking about 8K.

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Exactly!

This is also important with iTunes purchases that are MA (since you can't really redeem MA titles directly in iTunes anymore). If you purchase a title in iTunes while it's still HD - it will push HD rights to MA. If that title upgrades to 4K in the future, you'll get 4K in iTunes only. It won't push the 4K rights to MA after the fact.

This is particularly the case with people that like to pre-order from iTunes. During a pre-order, we sometimes see a movie switch from HD to 4K to HD before release day. That's scary because if at the time of release it switches to HD, then you get HD rights pushed to MA. Not to mention if you really look at what iTunes does....never buy a movie full price unless you REALLY need it. iTunes almost always puts the movie on sale a few weeks after the disc release.
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This is what happened I bought the reg BR in HD from iTune for $4.99 long time ago & my friend give me the BR Final Cut DVD as gift in 4k & all the works , to make the story short I took the digital copy put the code in WB site redeem place but my copy ended up in Vudu instead of iTunes . Now somehow the digital copy ended up in cyber space somewhere & folks at Vudu want to see my receipt tho I provided them with cover copy & the code , they say that's not good enough they want to see the receipt .
Go direct to WB on this issue. They hooked me up with a new code when I accidentally redeemed the 50th Anniversary "2001 ASO" in Vudu instead of MoviesAnywhere. They won't ask for a receipt, just the cover and code pics.

EDIT: Here's the link . .
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Under the latest firmware version, in addition to losing the 4k HDR counts in the Library app, I can no longer view the title information when clicking the down arrow or swiping down on the touch pad. Has anyone figured a way to display this information under the new firmware while playing a title?

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Try pressing the menu button ONE time while watching a title.

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Under the latest firmware version, in addition to losing the 4k HDR counts in the Library app, I can no longer view the title information when clicking the down arrow or swiping down on the touch pad. Has anyone figured a way to display this information under the new firmware while playing a title?
While the title is playing, hit the Menu button. This will pull up the info from the bottom. Not sure why they made this change.....seems like everything could have stayed from a swipe down.
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While the title is playing, hit the Menu button. This will pull up the info from the bottom. Not sure why they made this change.....seems like everything could have stayed from a swipe down.
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