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If I buy a movie that says it's 4k then it's 4k.
Point is that it was listed as 4k when I bought it and it should remain that way
You're still wrong. Your opinions have no bearing on your revocable license to stream 4K content from the iTunes store. Notably you're not buying content from Apple. You're buying a license and if that license is "revoked" Apple will express their condolences and give you rental credits.

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Now so I guess that's why I don't understand ...
Exactly, you don't "understand". You can work on improving your understanding or continue presenting your ignorance as if it were relevant.
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Looks like the 4K downgrades may be a bug
@agerson it's okay to read earlier posts. as noted previously the issue was (mostly) resolved yesterday.

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Every update could have bugs and just about everything in the Apple ecosystem was updaded this week.
Glad they are active and often adding features.
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Notably you're not buying content from Apple. You're buying a license and if that license is "revoked" Apple will express their condolences and give you rental credits.

The only part of any response on this topic by you is quoted above which led me to find more information to better "understand". I challenge you to answer questions productivly in the future.
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I challenge you to answer questions productivly in the future.
I challenge you to stop being so adversarial. You've been corrected multiple times by multiple people and yet you persist. While this is common behavior at AVS it's still unpleasant. I'd advise you to apologize and move on.

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It okay to read earlier posts. As noted previously the issue was (mostly) resolved yesterday.
It's also OK to assume that not everyone noticed that three-word post. It's also OK to assume that other regulars on this thread may wish to post follow-up questions or discussions relevant to the issue.
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A little revisionist history on the music front. ITunes “saved” the music industry for a time when everyone was just freely trading mp3s although even then that did not hold when the streaming model of music came along.

But really greed killed the music industry by charging outrageous amounts for content.


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I agree that apps like Napster were the beginning of the end for the traditional recording industry control of music distribution. But it was Apple that legitimatized the distribution of cheap mp3 files and basically ended up controlling music distribution and crushed the death grip control that the recording studios had on music distribution. Today that has moved on to music streaming services. But it really was Apple who fought for fair pricing of content. Originally studios were wanting the same price for digital music as pressed CD music. They also wanted only complete album sales or only certain songs released as singles. Apple fought for individual song sales at a low cost per song.

I think the movie industry is worried about a repeat of this for their business. For years they have had complete control of distribution and pricing through movie theaters and then Blu-ray releases. If digital distribution gets super easy and convenient, then companies like Apple may take away some of that control that the studios want to maintain. This results in difficult negotiations for 4k content for Apple and other distributors in the future.

By the way, I am loving the new interface on the new TV app. The preview cards are really nice. No more having to go deep in a menu selection to get information and then back out to change to the next selection. Now just select the card, see the info, press arrow button to move onto the next movie card. Pretty slick.
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I agree that apps like Napster were the beginning of the end for the traditional recording industry control of music distribution. But it was Apple that legitimatized the distribution of cheap mp3 files and basically ended up controlling music distribution and crushed the death grip control that the recording studios had on music distribution. Today that has moved on to music streaming services. But it really was Apple who fought for fair pricing of content. Originally studios were wanting the same price for digital music as pressed CD music. They also wanted only complete album sales or only certain songs released as singles. Apple fought for individual song sales at a low cost per song.

I think the movie industry is worried about a repeat of this for their business. For years they have had complete control of distribution and pricing through movie theaters and then Blu-ray releases. If digital distribution gets super easy and convenient, then companies like Apple may take away some of that control that the studios want to maintain. This results in difficult negotiations for 4k content for Apple and other distributors in the future.

By the way, I am loving the new interface on the new TV app. The preview cards are really nice. No more having to go deep in a menu selection to get information and then back out to change to the next selection. Now just select the card, see the info, press arrow button to move onto the next movie card. Pretty slick.
It will get interesting. UHD Blu-rays are the last of their kind ( disc based content ). HDMI 2.1/8K will be delivered via streaming. That in itself will fundamentally change things similar to Apple/iTunes and the music biz.

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It's also OK to assume that not everyone noticed that three-word post. It's also OK to assume that other regulars on this thread may wish to post follow-up questions or discussions relevant to the issue.
I agree with those sentiments and I can see how my post could be misinterpreted.
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I own both of those. I can't remember offhand how I redeemed them so I don't know if I "should" have the 4K of Christine but I know I did have hunger games before it downgraded.
IF you also have a Movies Anywhere (MA) account, check your Transaction History and it will tell you where you purchased/redeemed it and what quality (SD/HD/4K) it is. Mine is MA 4K.
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It will get interesting. UHD Blu-rays are the last of their kind ( disc based content ). HDMI 2.1/8K will be delivered via streaming. That in itself will fundamentally change things similar to Apple/iTunes and the music biz.


Hmmm. Internet around the world will need to get faster to be streaming 8k at any decent quality. It’ll certainly be a barrier for a lot of the people here in the U.K.


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Hmmm. Internet around the world will need to get faster to be streaming 8k at any decent quality. It’ll certainly be a barrier for a lot of the people here in the U.K.


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And 5G is just around the corner with promises of quantum leaps in throughput.

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And 5G is just around the corner with promises of quantum leaps in throughput.
The cost though, you'd burn through data like nothing.

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The cost though, you'd burn through data like nothing.
Yeah, I almost reach my data cap monthly now because I watch a lot of 4k programs.
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Yeah, I almost reach my data cap monthly now because I watch a lot of 4k programs.
I've read in a couple of places that there may be no need for data caps once 5G is mainstream...I'll believe it when I see it though.

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I've read in a couple of places that there may be no need for data caps once 5G is mainstream...I'll believe it when I see it though.
Content, 8K TVs first, then they'll address it
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I've read in a couple of places that there may be no need for data caps once 5G is mainstream...I'll believe it when I see it though.
Haha, that's hilarious. Not to be a negative nancy, but there is virtually no reason for a data cap to be implemented on cable internet currently, but many companies are doing it anyways to make more money. They will continue to implement data caps regardless of how fast internet speed gets, I'm sure.
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With the tvOS 12.3 public release, I’m still getting occasional frame skipping with Apple TV Channels HBO shows on my Apple TV 4K/TCL 55p605. Can someone do that special thing, where you can see the frame rate of any video being streamed and check if Apple TV Channel HBO scripted shows (e.g. Barry, Game of Thrones, etc.) are encoded at 23.976fps or 24.000fps?
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With the tvOS 12.3 public release, I’m still getting occasional frame skipping with Apple TV Channels HBO shows on my Apple TV 4K/TCL 55p605. Can someone do that special thing, where you can see the frame rate of any video being streamed and check if Apple TV Channel HBO scripted shows (e.g. Barry, Game of Thrones, etc.) are encoded at 23.976fps or 24.000fps?

Gee this annoys me. Wasn't fixing this on the radar with Apple? Why can't they just add pure 24.000 fps output capability? And while they're at it, add pure 60.000 fps as well.

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Things would need to happen more or less in this order: Infrastructure (5g, etc.), 8K, Content. Without the infrastructure in place, 8K content cannot be distributed. What we call TV's these days are basically computers, and like almost all things in the high tech world, the hardware (8K) is always ahead of the software (content).
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Haha, that's hilarious. Not to be a negative nancy, but there is virtually no reason for a data cap to be implemented on cable internet currently, but many companies are doing it anyways to make more money. They will continue to implement data caps regardless of how fast internet speed gets, I'm sure.
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...check if Apple TV Channel HBO scripted shows (e.g. Barry, Game of Thrones, etc.) are encoded at 23.976fps or 24.000fps?
HBO content is almost certainly shot at 23.9fps but ...
The ATV4K doesn't support 24.0fps
The HUD reports 24Hz for 23.9fps (your video processor should report the truth), GoT says 24Hz.
The HBO GO app doesn't Match Frame Rate and I believe HBO NOW is the same (so try 24Hz if you're using 60Hz).
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Hey all, I’ve been having an issue with 4K HDR content streamed through apples own iTunes service. On black or near black scenes there seems to be a pulsing or strobing effect that I haven’t been able to resolve. For instance, in the first 3 minutes of black mass outside the bar peripheral darker parts of my tv, not the letterboxed portions, exhibit this effect.

I’ve watched the same movie through vudu and it didn’t have any strobing or pulsing. I’ve tried bypassing my avr as well and it still pops up. I have a vizio pq65-f1 and will also post this in the relevant forum. But does anyone have any relevant thought on the matter?
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The Mrs. was ready to start S8 of GOT this weekend, so I signed up for the free trial on Prime, and we watched 3 eps tonight.


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Originally Posted by roland6465 View Post
The Mrs. was ready to start S8 of GOT this weekend, so I signed up for the free trial on Prime, and we watched 3 eps tonight.


Not impressed at all with HBO stream. Lots of macroblocking in dark scenes, and I had to turn the amp up 8db to get a decent sound. I know that the DirecTV HBO sub is more expensive and probably worse on bandwidth, but this is terrible. In 4-5 years I'll buy the UHD disc set for $59 or something.
You should try the 7-day free trial of HBO through Apple TV Channels in the TV app and see if it looks any better that way.
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