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post #22801 of 25643 Old 05-26-2019, 03:53 PM
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I am thinking of getting an Apple TV 4k because it is the only device that does Atmos on both Netflix and amazon at this time.

Questions please:

1) On 32 vs 64 GB. I mainly want the device to stream Netflix and Amazon movies and shows. I might use some other programs but probably not much. I would think there is no reason to get the 64 GB version. Or is there?

2) On the remote? I notice some devices have awkward fast forward and reverse. By awkward I mean they either go too slow or too fast with little control between those two speeds. Or they jump to too fast after a short time. How is remote control in that regard?

3) Is voice control easy to use or do you have to train it for your voice and what words to say?
The AppleTV remote is either loved or hated. I happen to love it.

I'm not sure if you own any iOS devices ( iPad/iPhone ), but if you do there's a great app available on the App Store from Apple (FREE) - simply named "Remote". It does everything that the included candy bar remote does, plus much more including 10 second FF and RW buttons.

The fast forward and reverse are actually (IMO) really easy and efficient. Simply click on the touch pad during playback and you can swipe left or right - basically scrubbing - forward or reverse. The control is logarithmic so that the scrub speed is variable. The slower you move your thumb/finger the slower the FF or RW.

The voice control does not need any "training".

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The AppleTV remote is either loved or hated. I happen to love it.

I'm not sure if you own any iOS devices ( iPad/iPhone ), but if you do there's a great app available on the App Store from Apple (FREE) - simply named "Remote". It does everything that the included candy bar remote does, plus much more including 10 second FF and RW buttons.

The fast forward and reverse are actually (IMO) really easy and efficient. Simply click on the touch pad during playback and you can swipe left or right - basically scrubbing - forward or reverse. The control is logarithmic so that the scrub speed is variable. The slower you move your thumb/finger the slower the FF or RW.

The voice control does not need any "training".
Unfortunately the app suffers from the same issue that all remotes without hard keys for transport suffer from...you have to look at the screen to hit the right keys. I owned several remotes over the years that were all touch screen, remember the “Pronto”?...very customizable but it had the same issue, you had to look at the screen to hit the right button. A combination of touch screen, for some functions, and hard buttons for others, particularly the transport keys, is more usable, IMHO. But yeah, it’s all personal preference.
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The thing is we’re dealing with so many different combinations of hardware that it’s not easy to say where the issue is and it’s going to be a nightmare to reproduce.

Take my situation for example. I had zero lip sync issues when passing my audio through a Yamaha 3050. When I upgraded to my 3070, I need to set different delays when switching between 23.976hz material and 25hz material. Why the difference? I have no idea. It would be easy to criticise the amp but everything passes through it and I have zero lip sync issues with other devices. The main feature difference between the two amps is that the newer one supports Dolby Vision. Could this be the issue? And if so, why does it also consistently affect non-Dolby vision content?

Add to this, my harmony failed to correctly switch inputs on my tv once when switching between my Xbox and my Apple TV. I noticed that my lip sync issues disappeared at this point. I probably need to check this out further because it could be due to a range of reasons. My Xbox runs through a different hdmi output on my amp to a different input on my tv...and that channel on my tv has game mode enabled. So it could be that using the second output on my amp fixed lip sync, it could be that using the different input on my tv fixed lip sync or, more likely, it could be that the lower latency game mode on my tv fixed it.

So for people who are not having issues, there could be a ton of things you have set up differently. Maybe you’re using a lower latency picture mode. Maybe your tv doesn’t introduce processing delays when using 23.976hz content and mine does. Even if you have the same TV and picture mode, it could be that I have real cinema set to ‘on’ on my tv whereas you have it off. Maybe you use motion interpolation. People are consistently finding that the Apple TV is the only device in their system which is having difficulties though so it suggests that there is something worth looking into.


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Have you tried watching via the movies app rather than the tv app? I just saw pulsing in how to train your dragon and switching to the movies app fixed it.


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Just had the same result watching the Fantastic Beasts 2 (don’t judge) ending. Watching in the TV app had flickering. Resuming in the Movies (iTunes) app had no flicker. Weird.
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Just had the same result watching the Fantastic Beasts 2 (don’t judge) ending. Watching in the TV app had flickering. Resuming in the Movies (iTunes) app had no flicker. Weird.


Yeah I’m guessing the players must differ slightly in some way. At least there’s a workaround available until Apple get round to fixing it.


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I know what you saying but in the Audio & video settings the Dolby Atmos option doesn't even appear . Strange I changed HDMI cables & reset the boxes to no avail.
I seem to remember reading somewhere on AVS what you are describing (option not appearing), and what was done to fix it. I can't find it now unfortunately. Maybe someone else will point you to an answer.
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The AppleTV remote is either loved or hated. I happen to love it.
I like it.

Unfortunately when I use my Harmony 665 it doesn’t always fully work with certain apps, such at the MLB and SiriusXM apps, for certain things within those apps I have to bring out the Apple TV remote for swiping functions.
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I like using the Apple TV remote. It is intuitive and simple. The simple, single, raised circle button orients it nicely. Track pad works well. Holds charge for a long time. Has great range and does not require line-of-sight.

I do not like its exceedingly small and thin form. This makes it both very easy to drop and likely to slither through cushion and arm gaps down into the bowels of my theater recliners. At least twice per month, I am on all fours with cell phone flashlight in hand trying to locate and dig out that remote before it gets crushed in the recliners' mechanicals.
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I do not like its exceedingly small and thin form. This makes it both very easy to drop and likely to slither through cushion and arm gaps down into the bowels of my theater recliners. At least twice per month, I am on all fours with cell phone flashlight in hand trying to locate and dig out that remote before it gets crushed in the recliners' mechanicals.

Yes, they are slippery things and have an uncanny ability to find gaps between cushions.


A man died recently when a motorized cinema seat crushed him while he was looking for his dropped phone. Apparently once the weight is removed it will reassume the rest position. I know it is unlikely that anyone has this kind of seat at home, but turn it off first!
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Yes, they are slippery things and have an uncanny ability to find gaps between cushions.


A man died recently when a motorized cinema seat crushed him while he was looking for his dropped phone. Apparently once the weight is removed it will reassume the rest position. I know it is unlikely that anyone has this kind of seat at home, but turn it off first!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ngham-48381362


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I do not like its exceedingly small and thin form. This makes it both very easy to drop and likely to slither through cushion and arm gaps down into the bowels of my theater recliners. At least twice per month, I am on all fours with cell phone flashlight in hand trying to locate and dig out that remote before it gets crushed in the recliners' mechanicals.
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Yes, they are slippery things and have an uncanny ability to find gaps between cushions.
I've been using this $7 silicon case cover for my ATV remote for over a year now. It makes a definitive improvement in hand feel/heft, grip, and orientation in the dark.
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I've been using this $7 silicon case cover for my ATV remote for over a year now. It makes a definitive improvement in hand feel/heft, grip, and orientation in the dark.
That's a great idea, but as a relatively inexperienced new ATV4K owner, do the side edges of the silicone affect one's ability to swipe?
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I've been using this $7 silicon case cover for my ATV remote for over a year now. It makes a definitive improvement in hand feel/heft, grip, and orientation in the dark.
I'll give it a shot since I have this one:
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I do not recommend it since it makes clicking the touch pad very difficult and occasionally has it stick down when clicked at the top.
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I've been using this $7 silicon case cover for my ATV remote for over a year now. It makes a definitive improvement in hand feel/heft, grip, and orientation in the dark.
Ordered one in purple. WAF
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I like it.

Unfortunately when I use my Harmony 665 it doesn’t always fully work with certain apps, such at the MLB and SiriusXM apps, for certain things within those apps I have to bring out the Apple TV remote for swiping functions.

I have two Harmony 700 remotes. One for the downstairs HTS (LCD) with an ATV4 and the other one for the upstairs HTS (65 C8) and the ATV4k. Both remotes work just fine with any app on either ATV.

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I've been using this $7 silicon case cover ...
Good reviews so I ordered two of the "Glow in the Dark" green color from Amazon. Hope the GID works!
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ATV4K is my Kaliedoscope

And my HTPC.

I have read about Kaliedoscope systems for years and while interesting the cost always kept them out of my mind.

My first wannabe Kaliedoscope system involved putting my Blu Rays (and DVDs) onto NAS units and serving them up with Plex and I still have that... Very similar to K system. I'm slowly reducing that library by replacing with iTunes... (Still keeping my 1500-ish Blu Rays in storage boxes.) So my Plex library is just under 1000 titles now.

Buying movies on iTunes and keeping them in the cloud is a bit risky but mostly it's been stable and I think the whole experience of it is far better than K system. I have 3 kids so family sharing of 5 people works perfectly in my (and away from) my house. And now when (rarely) I do travel I just take my ATV4K with me.

I don't have any faith that K won't go out of business... in fact, It wouldn't surprise me at all. I don't see much value to it anymore.
A couple of comments (cost of a Kaleidescape system notwithstanding).

I owned (past tense) a Kaleidescape system and currently own an Apple TV (but stream my ripped movies with a Nvidia Shield/Plex.) The AppleTV interface and functionality pales in comparison to what the K system provides. Not even close. But, like you, I'm not sure about K's long term viability. They still don't have access to all studios (hence all movies), still initially release some movies without the best audio (though they eventually upgrade), and importantly, should they go "toes up", there is no backup for the movies that you downloaded from their servers. So should your hardware fail (and it eventually will) you will have lost a huge investment of the all of the movies you download from their servers. They fix those 3 issues, and I would be a user again in a heartbeat.

If the ATV would support full bandwidth bitstream audio from my NAS server, it would be my go to device.
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That's a great idea, but as a relatively inexperienced new ATV4K owner, do the side edges of the silicone affect one's ability to swipe?
I've been using this one for $8 ... https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Of the ones I tried the lips/edges on this one obscure the trackpad the least. It's not a lot of extra thickness over all but I've found it extremely helpful to have on the remote. At the very least the texture of the cover keeps the remote from sliding around so much. (It also comes with magnets but I didn't need them and removed them.)
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That's a great idea, but as a relatively inexperienced new ATV4K owner, do the side edges of the silicone affect one's ability to swipe?
That's never been an issue for me (and I got the cover shortly after getting my ATV4K last year). I will say that, after maybe 16 months on the remote, the case doesn't fit quite as snugly as it originally did. It's not a problem yet but in time it might become loose enough to need replacement.
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Have you tried watching via the movies app rather than the tv app? I just saw pulsing in how to train your dragon and switching to the movies app fixed it.


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You’ll notice then when you watch via the Movies app it will still pulse briefly after unpausing a movie, but unlike the TV app the pulsating will stop after a few seconds.

That’s what it did for me in John Wick and Glass (the Movies app was the only way I could watch the HDR movies in HDR without the pulsating).

I have no idea what the difference is between the two apps because it’s pulling from the same source material (and the old TV app would just kick you over to the Movies app when loading your library).
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I don’t mean to sidetrack the conversation but has anyone else noticed the disappearance of the “audio & subtitles” option while browsing titles in the Netflix app? I just noticed it today. I have an LG and the tv’s native Netflix app still displays “audio & subtitles” and allows me to choose before I play any content. The ATV 4K no longer has that option for me. I have the latest iOS update. Any ideas why this has happened?
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I don’t mean to sidetrack the conversation but has anyone else noticed the disappearance of the “audio & subtitles” option while browsing titles in the Netflix app? I just noticed it today. I have an LG and the tv’s native Netflix app still displays “audio & subtitles” and allows me to choose before I play any content. The ATV 4K no longer has that option for me. I have the latest iOS update. Any ideas why this has happened?
I've never used the "audio & subtitles” option while browsing titles in Netflix. But, once a movie starts playing, if I want subtitles or want to change the language, I just swipe down on the remote and you choose your settings then.

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I've never used the "audio & subtitles” option while browsing titles in Netflix. But, once a movie starts playing, if I want subtitles or want to change the language, I just swipe down on the remote and you choose your settings then.
But do you still have the "audio & subtitles" option visible while looking at titles or is Netflix beginning to get rid of that option altogether?
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plus much more including 10 second FF and RW buttons.

The fast forward and reverse are actually (IMO) really easy and efficient. Simply click on the touch pad during playback and you can swipe left or right - basically scrubbing - forward or reverse.
The Siri Remote has (somewhat hard to use) skip functions. Scrubbing is scrubbing, not FF/REW. The Siri Remote (and Remote app) support FF/REW and scrubbing.

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Unfortunately the app suffers from the same issue that all remotes without hard keys for transport suffer from
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The Siri Remote [which the Remote app emulates] has physical buttons plus a track pad. [A better choice for button lovers.] Given the function mapping you don't have to look to use it unless you've picked it up with the track pad at the bottom. The newer version tries to help with that as well. It is true that some of the touch functions are hard to use because there are too many of them. I.e. the Siri Remote has the iOS too-many-gestures problem.

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1. Are DV enhanced titles on iTunes and Netflix encoded in 10-bit or 12-bit color depth?
(I think it's 10-bit but anyone can confirm?)
Apple confirms (on the specifications page) that the ATV4K supports H.265 (HEVC) Main 10.
There are links to the documentation in the first post in this thread.

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The Siri Remote has (somewhat hard to use) skip functions. Scrubbing is scrubbing, not FF/REW. The Siri Remote (and Remote app) support FF/REW and scrubbing.



The Siri Remote has physical buttons plus a track pad. Given the function mapping you don't have to look to use it unless you've picked it up with the track pad at the bottom. The newer version tries to help with that as well. It is true that some of the touch functions are hard to use because there are too many of them. I.e. the Siri Remote has the iOS too-many-gestures problem.
I was commenting on a discussion concerning the iOS remote app running on an iPhone or iPad. Had nothing to do with the “Siri remote”...whatever that is.

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But do you still have the "audio & subtitles" option visible while looking at titles or is Netflix beginning to get rid of that option altogether?
I'm not in front of my ATV at the moment. I will have to check this evening. Where did it use to be? I can check to see if I can see it.

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I'm not in front of my ATV at the moment. I will have to check this evening. Where did it use to be? I can check to see if I can see it.
It was previously one of the options when you selected "more info" for any movie or tv show in the ATV app. Now the only options are to give the movie a thumbs up/down, to continue watching, add to queue... but no audio & subtitles. I'm thinking it has to be that Netflix simply removed that option in iOS. Thanks for offering to check it out!
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I have two Harmony 700 remotes. One for the downstairs HTS (LCD) with an ATV4 and the other one for the upstairs HTS (65 C8) and the ATV4k. Both remotes work just fine with any app on either ATV.
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Just saw this posted elsewhere, might be good news, might be nothing. Until official I’d say “nothing”

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads...take.2183026/?
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