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This is what caused my question. "Cable test". Presumably it will run w/no Internet connection and tell you if the HDMI does 4K.
When I said “cable test” I meant the “check HDMI connection” test, it should tell you if you’re cable can handle the ATV’s most difficult modes, 4K HDR&DV @ 60 Hz. But I misspoke, the message I see refers specifically to streaming, and is not part of that test, it comes up when you change video modes, like to 4K/60 DV. Again, if you have an internet connection with more than 15 Mbps, you’ll likely never see it.

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The Vizio thread is not working for me so I thought I would ask here:

When I try to run Airplay on my Vizio C1 display and an iPad, it will correctly play a Dolby Vision title from the iTunes library but it won't play Atmos. It appears to be using the Vizio speakers instead of my Denon AVR. Anyone that also has a Vizio know why this may be happening? I have speakers on the Vizio set to "Auto" and this seems to work on any other source that is using the "TV Audio" input on the AVR.
I gave a more detailed response on the Vizio thread. I'm inclined to think Apple's LPCM MAT 2.0 may not pass Atmos via ARC.
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Is a new Apple TV coming next week ?

Hi,

Reposting story about the possibility of a next generation Apple TV being announced at the Sept 10th Apple event.

https://9to5mac.com/2019/09/03/is-a-...ing-next-week/

Not sure the additions I've read about would help with my current system but I have kids who could use my existing ATV4K so that makes it a bit easier for me to justify buying it over again for at least 3 more times... ha ha. ATV4K is my favorite gizmo ever so I'll all in in they make it even better.

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I'm inclined to think Apple's LPCM MAT 2.0 may not pass Atmos via ARC.
Since ARC doesn't support greater than 2.0 LPCM one wouldn't expect MAT to work. Displays sometimes get around this by re-encoding the audio. That's Apple's solution -- but not for Atmos.
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For the last 6 months I have been unable to accurately stream 4k Fox Sports through ATV4k. Problem is pictures are washed out blacks are GRAY rather than BLACK. I had same results trying to stream FS1 4k through FUBO service via the ATV and now the FOX Sports App. I think it may be a HDR/color space problem.

ATV is connected directly to my LG OLED with "certified" HDMI. All my iTunes and other 4k content on the ATV are perfect, it is just the issue with Fox 4k. The HD feeds of the games are fine also. Have tried changing all the ATV settings (normally I use 4k SDR with MATCH turned on) but that did nothing. Even more confusing is the same Fox 4k feeds via Comcast on their X1v4 4k box looked fine in 4k, so it isn't the feed.

Fox has a lot of 4k sports coming up with MLB playoffs and NFL Thursday night so I would love to get this working.

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I had the same issue. From what I’ve been told the broadcasts use HLG HDR which I don’t think is supported by the ATV. Maybe someone can correct me if I’m wrong.
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Looks like Apple maybe releasing a NEW ATV with the A12 processor.. Time will tell next week...
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I had the same issue. From what I’ve been told the broadcasts use HLG HDR which I don’t think is supported by the ATV. Maybe someone can correct me if I’m wrong.
I think HLG is for over-the-air broadcasts only so it shouldn't have anything to do with their streaming service through the Fox App for ATV. In fact, I doubt the streaming Fox App is in 4k HDR as it is probably only 720p format.

Sounds more like an issue with the app or something wrong in the stream from Fox.
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... Apple maybe releasing a NEW ATV ...
As noted three posts before yours.
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I think HLG is for over-the-air broadcasts only so it shouldn't have anything to do with their streaming service through the Fox App for ATV. In fact, I doubt the streaming Fox App is in 4k HDR as it is probably only 720p format.

Sounds more like an issue with the app or something wrong in the stream from Fox.
HLG is for TV broadcasts in general, whether its for OTA or cable/satellite channels.

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Hi,

Reposting story about the possibility of a next generation Apple TV being announced at the Sept 10th Apple event.

https://9to5mac.com/2019/09/03/is-a-...ing-next-week/

Not sure the additions I've read about would help with my current system but I have kids who could use my existing ATV4K so that makes it a bit easier for me to justify buying it over again for at least 3 more times... ha ha. ATV4K is my favorite gizmo ever so I'll all in in they make it even better.

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My thinking also, would like to replace my kids firetv 2nd gen with an appletv, so move my current atv4k to their tv and get a newer model for out main tv.
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As noted three posts before yours.
Rats!! I checked two posts up and didn't see anything .
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I think HLG is for over-the-air broadcasts only so it shouldn't have anything to do with their streaming service through the Fox App for ATV. In fact, I doubt the streaming Fox App is in 4k HDR as it is probably only 720p format.

Sounds more like an issue with the app or something wrong in the stream from Fox.
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HLG is for TV broadcasts in general, whether its for OTA or cable/satellite channels.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Log-Gamma
Although HLG was developed for broadcast it does not mean it will not be used for streaming.

The BBC have chosen to use HLG exclusively for HDR and all their UHD/HDR programmes will for the foreseeable future be streamed via their iPlayer app. Their pilot streams have included live "broadcasts" of Football (Soccer) and pre-recorded material such as Planet Earth.

Also, Sky in the UK are planning on launching HDR later this year and they have been pretty clear that all HDR programmes will use HLG - live and on-demand, broadcast and streamed.

Can't speak for other broadcasters but it would not surprise me if quite a few chose to go a similar way.
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Although HLG was developed for broadcast it does not mean it will not be used for streaming.

The BBC have chosen to use HLG exclusively for HDR and all their UHD/HDR programmes will for the foreseeable future be streamed via their iPlayer app. Their pilot streams have included live "broadcasts" of Football (Soccer) and pre-recorded material such as Planet Earth.

Also, Sky in the UK are planning on launching HDR later this year and they have been pretty clear that all HDR programmes will use HLG - live and on-demand, broadcast and streamed.

Can't speak for other broadcasters but it would not surprise me if quite a few chose to go a similar way.
Thanks for information.

The point I was trying to make is if they were using HLG HDR, the ATV does not support HLG HDR, from what I’ve read on here anyways. Again, please correct me if I’m wrong.
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The point I was trying to make is if they were using HLG HDR, the ATV does not support HLG HDR, from what I’ve read on here anyways.
The ATV4K doesn't currently support HLG (but it's worth remembering that Apple's "pro" tools support all common HDR formats). In practice this means the provider should do the conversion not that you should get an audio only presentation. HLG is intended to be intrinsically compatible with SDR (it's a broadcast format after all for both television types) so "discarding" the HDR sprinkles should leave SDR. For extra points the app+CDN could do an HLG to HDR-10 conversion. Either one of these approaches results in ATV4K compatible video.
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The ATV4K doesn't currently support HLG (but it's worth remembering that Apple's "pro" tools support all common HDR formats). In practice this means the provider should do the conversion not that you should get an audio only presentation. HLG is intended to be intrinsically compatible with SDR (it's a broadcast format after all for both television types)
Exactly. So it seems that if they were really getting HLG over a streaming app then it should work fine as as standard SDR. From what I understand the SDR content from HLG is even upscaled and better quality than regular transmission SDR.

I haven't played with the Fox Sports Apps yet but it would surprise me if an ATV app from a vendor was streaming content that was unplayable on the ATV. That just makes no sense. Why have a streaming app for the ATV that streams content in a format that is incompatible with the ATV?
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I recently did a comparison of the picture quality between Apple TV and what MA as well as Amazon Video :

https://peteswrite.blogspot.com/2019...vs-amazon.html


You are looking at totally the wrong bit rate. What matters is the actual encoding bit rate of the video itself. Not the rate at which the bits are sent down the internet. That just the buffering rate. It’s not indicative of any quality measure.


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I think HLG is for over-the-air broadcasts only so it shouldn't have anything to do with their streaming service through the Fox App for ATV. In fact, I doubt the streaming Fox App is in 4k HDR as it is probably only 720p format.

Sounds more like an issue with the app or something wrong in the stream from Fox.
HLG HDR streaming is very real in UK as BBC iPlayer streams HLG HDR for sporting events and more. Sony and LG Support it, so AppleTV4k is at a disadvantage here.

My guess is next gen will include it, butwho knows.
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The ATV4K doesn't currently support HLG (but it's worth remembering that Apple's "pro" tools support all common HDR formats). In practice this means the provider should do the conversion not that you should get an audio only presentation. HLG is intended to be intrinsically compatible with SDR (it's a broadcast format after all for both television types) so "discarding" the HDR sprinkles should leave SDR. For extra points the app+CDN could do an HLG to HDR-10 conversion. Either one of these approaches results in ATV4K compatible video.
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Exactly. So it seems that if they were really getting HLG over a streaming app then it should work fine as as standard SDR. From what I understand the SDR content from HLG is even upscaled and better quality than regular transmission SDR.

I haven't played with the Fox Sports Apps yet but it would surprise me if an ATV app from a vendor was streaming content that was unplayable on the ATV. That just makes no sense. Why have a streaming app for the ATV that streams content in a format that is incompatible with the ATV?
To be honest, I'm not sure technically that an HLG stream would be able to be "stripped" to show SDR. I am far from an expert in broadcast tech but HLG HDR info is in parts of the gamma curve unused in "Old tech" SDR broadcasts, so it is simply not seen by SDR equipment. It's exploiting the limitations of TVs and old transmission equipment. It has no metadata. Once digitised and streamed I'd be surprised if this trickery applies. I'd expect any box, like the ATV, would need to be HLG compatible, or at least aware, to accurately display even the SDR image, although I'd admit to not being positive about this.

On the other hand, I totally agree that it would be mad to send such a stream to a non-HLG box. There should be no reason why they could not simply send an SDR stream instead.

On the other, other hand, they may choose not to. Apart from the very first UHD trial, when an SDR version was made available on some devices, the BBC have ONLY supplied UHD with HLG and non-HLG compatible devices have been limited HD. Also, Sky appear to have decided to only provide one UHD stream to their STBs (a different situation I accept). All need to support that stream to play it. So, with some content providers, non HLG compatible systems could be limited to HD in future.
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Reposting story about the possibility of a next generation Apple TV being announced at the Sept 10th Apple event.

https://9to5mac.com/2019/09/03/is-a-...ing-next-week/

Not sure the additions I've read about would help with my current system but I have kids who could use my existing ATV4K so that makes it a bit easier for me to justify buying it over again for at least 3 more times... ha ha. ATV4K is my favorite gizmo ever so I'll all in in they make it even better.
perfect timing!...I'm looking into buying my first ATV in time for Disney+...A10X Fusion chip to A12 Bionic/A12X would be a nice bump up...
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perfect timing!...I'm looking into buying my first ATV in time for Disney+...
And maybe by then, Disney will teach Hulu how to bring Dolby surround to the Apple TV.
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perfect timing!...I'm looking into buying my first ATV in time for Disney+...A10X Fusion chip to A12 Bionic/A12X would be a nice bump up...
looks like it's confirmed as having an A12 chip, not A12X

https://www.macrumors.com/2019/09/04...-thing-rumors/
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looks like it's confirmed as having an A12 chip, not A12X

https://www.macrumors.com/2019/09/04...-thing-rumors/

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Curious as to what a new version can do that the current one can’t? Otherwise I struggle why I would upgrade. It would be nice to see a streaming stick version.
I think atop most people's wish lists is a redesigned remote...also a cheaper price point would be nice (but I doubt that will happen)
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I don’t see them changing the remote as much as I hate it as well. Streaming stick at lower price point would be logical, otherwise updating CPU in same form factor does not make sense.

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I only have one Apple TV but would like another for my bedroom. If a new one is announced Ill probably get it for my main use and bump the current one to the bedroom. I don’t mind the old remote design too much. It’s just I wish it had a rubbery type of backing instead of having to get a slip for it.
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Curious as to what a new version can do that the current one can’t? Otherwise I struggle why I would upgrade. It would be nice to see a streaming stick version.

I would guess the update in processor for gaming is the biggest thing. On the video side there isn’t much the current one can’t do or couldn’t do with a firmware update. Bitstreaming is a dream of many, but integrating the is sounds probably makes this a no go.


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I only have one Apple TV but would like another for my bedroom. If a new one is announced Ill probably get it for my main use and bump the current one to the bedroom. I don’t mind the old remote design too much. It’s just I wish it had a rubbery type of backing instead of having to get a slip for it.


You can buy a rubber “case” for it (much like phone case).
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I would guess the update in processor for gaming is the biggest thing.
Hmph. The biggest thing is a restore port. Good news / bad news. The bad news I bricked my replacement beta box -- this time with an aluminum remote. The good news, Apple recognizes this as a defect and will replace your bricked unit with a "replacement" unit -- eventually. But you have to call support and get escalated to someone that can make an "exception" and the person I spoke said it was easiest if you mailed it to them. Mediocre news, they should have done this a month ago. Oh well.
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I might type 2K for 1080p.
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You can buy a rubber “case” for it (much like phone case).
I don't know why I couldn't think of the word case. Thats what I meant not slip hahahaha.
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... I wish it had a rubbery type of backing instead of having to get a slip for it.
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I don't know why I couldn't think of the word case.
I thought you mean "sleeve" but Freudian slip it is.
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