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It’s working fine for me.
OK thanks. You are on TVOS 13? I never had the issue on previous software.
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OK thanks. You are on TVOS 13? I never had the issue on previous software.
Yes, I downloaded TVOS 13 on my ATV 4K earlier today.

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Yes, I downloaded TVOS 13 on my ATV 4K earlier today.
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Thanks again.
Don’t thank me yet. I am seeing your issue if I stay on Home or attempt to access from that window. If I go quickly to Schedule and access programming from there all works properly.

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Just updated to TVOS13. Everything I have tested is OK EXCEPT Fox Sports App. When I launch it starts OK goes to its home screen then immediately crashes and closes. I have deleted and reinstalled the app, same thing. The Fox Now app works OK for LIVE and episodes and will play FS1 and 2 from the live schedule tab, but it also crashes immediately if I select its SPORTS tab, just like the sports app.

Anyone else seeing this or any ideas?

Thanks!
I haven't been home to upgrade to TVOS 13 yet but I've seen the same thing with the Fox Sports app. It was crashing on launch about a week ago when I last tried. It's always been very crash prone for me. I've sort of given up on it. It's always a crap shoot if it works or not. At least half the time I get the crash on launch. I've also had it crash in the middle of a ball game after I've been watching for an hour or more with no issue. It usually crashes on launch afterwards. Really frustrating.

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Pretty slick to pair a PS4 controller. Makes a lot of those Apple arcade games actually playable.

No fish screensavers yet. I do think they should add subcategories in the "aerial" menu.

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The new screensavers should arrive after some of the update bandwidth usage drops. We can't have it all at once

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No fish screensavers yet.
At my house Aerial SDR and HDR "screen savers" are different. I don't think I'm unique.

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Nicely My HDMI cable passed maxed out.

I can only say one thing about that power cord. It is so large and heavy I am afraid it may very well break the jack off the pcb! The entire cable weighs 22.5 pounds at 2 meters. Now that is really just absurd honestly. Change the subject though.
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Seems like a wild reason to dump iTunes and I don’t even use iTunes.
Here's the thing tho. I've been wondering what it means to buy iTunes movies. iTunes tells me that the content owners can remove the content at any time for any reason.

This usually doesn't happen but one thing that always happens is popular movies get re-issued or in the case of Valerian one of the actors becomes popular again and the movie goes back to cable and other streaming sites and this messes with the iTunes rights.

Seems like the only real difference between buying and renting an iTunes movies is the rental has a specific time in which you must watch it while the movies you buy could disappear any time at all.

I've been using iTunes movies long enough to have this happen more and more often.
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Nicely My HDMI cable passed maxed out.

I can only say one thing about that power cord. It is so large and heavy I am afraid it may very well break the jack off the pcb! The entire cable weighs 22.5 pounds at 2 meters. Now that is really just absurd honestly. Change the subject though.
The $1300 HDMI cable ? ... I'm glad it passed. If it was a few years old it may not have even though it was so expensive.

And the power cable damaging the jack is something that really does happen with those heavy cables. I read about someone using some tape to try to relieve stress from a heavy special cable .. must have looked very nice.

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At my house Aerial SDR and HDR "screen savers" are different. I don't think I'm unique.
You are certainly unique

SDR and HDR screen savers have always been different on ATV4K.

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One of the reasons I choose the Monoprice Ultra-slim Certified HDMI is that they come in 1’ increments, so I can measure then buy the exact length I need (4’ and 8’ work perfectly in my system).
Through the years, I've in numerous places (don't ask me to find any source now) that equipment manufacturers assume a 6' HDMI cable; and any variation from that length increases the odds of "handshake" issues.
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Here's the thing tho. I've been wondering what it means to buy iTunes movies. iTunes tells me that the content owners can remove the content at any time for any reason.



This usually doesn't happen but one thing that always happens is popular movies get re-issued or in the case of Valerian one of the actors becomes popular again and the movie goes back to cable and other streaming sites and this messes with the iTunes rights.



Seems like the only real difference between buying and renting an iTunes movies is the rental has a specific time in which you must watch it while the movies you buy could disappear any time at all.



I've been using iTunes movies long enough to have this happen more and more often.


You can download the HD version as a back up which will work in perpetuity. I know it’s not 4K but at least you will have it. Providers remove movies from Vudu on occasion too but Vudu hides the title so you can still play it.


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True,


But, a lot of my iTunes I actually have on Blu Ray. So, it's the 4K I'm most interested in.

But,... it's all good. I hope I can persuade Apple to do something better with iTunes purchases and if not... I'm still happy so far.



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Through the years, I've in numerous places (don't ask me to find any source now) that equipment manufacturers assume a 6' HDMI cable; and any variation from that length increases the odds of "handshake" issues.
Apple has been known to suggest a particular Belkin cable and I imagine that's because they can and do test with it.
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Just updated to TVOS13. Everything I have tested is OK EXCEPT Fox Sports App. When I launch it starts OK goes to its home screen then immediately crashes and closes. I have deleted and reinstalled the app, same thing. The Fox Now app works OK for LIVE and episodes and will play FS1 and 2 from the live schedule tab, but it also crashes immediately if I select its SPORTS tab, just like the sports app.

Anyone else seeing this or any ideas?

Thanks!
Upgraded to TV OS 13 and experiencing the same issue with the Fox Sports app. Had no problems with that app prior to the TV OS upgrade.

...deleted and reinstalled the app...same problem.
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Upgraded to TV OS 13 and experiencing the same issue with the Fox Sports app. Had no problems with that app prior to the TV OS upgrade.
I am having the same problem with both Fox Now and Fox Sports. It's been happening all through the tvOS 13 beta. You can sometimes get around it by moving the cursor around while the app is starting. Its very annoying.
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Apple has been known to suggest a particular Belkin cable and I imagine that's because they can and do test with it.


Because Apple retails non-Apple products that only means that they are high margin products that they like to associate with their brand. Apple sold those cables which is why “they”, whomever they were, “suggested” anything about them.

For awhile, for example, they sold Phantom speakers https://www.devialet.com/en-us/phantom-premier-speaker/. Yes, someone in Marketing tested those speakers just like someone tested the high margin Belkin cables—but beyond that I would not believe any claims that those cables are superior to any other cables other then the cables support what the cables claim to support.
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Here's the thing tho. I've been wondering what it means to buy iTunes movies.
It means you have a "license" to "stream" various versions and the right to download a 2K or less version that will work as long as the DRM servers grant access. Apple has suggested they will do this indefinitely. Other entities have implied similar things about music services. Many of those companies are gone but one -- Microsoft -- remains, just not in the music business. I believe Microsoft compensated some customers of PlaysForSure, Zune, Xbox, Groove etc. Likewise Apple has made various attempts to placate agitated streaming video customers.

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SDR and HDR screen savers have always been different on ATV4K.
The point being if the new screen savers are HDR only the people running the UI in SDR won't see them however long they wait.
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Here's the thing tho. I've been wondering what it means to buy iTunes movies. iTunes tells me that the content owners can remove the content at any time for any reason.

This usually doesn't happen but one thing that always happens is popular movies get re-issued or in the case of Valerian one of the actors becomes popular again and the movie goes back to cable and other streaming sites and this messes with the iTunes rights.

Seems like the only real difference between buying and renting an iTunes movies is the rental has a specific time in which you must watch it while the movies you buy could disappear any time at all.

I've been using iTunes movies long enough to have this happen more and more often.
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Through the years, I've in numerous places (don't ask me to find any source now) that equipment manufacturers assume a 6' HDMI cable; and any variation from that length increases the odds of "handshake" issues.
Yes, or 1 and 2 meters. I’ve heard some say they’re getting faster handshakes with HDMI 2.1 certified cables, but they only come in 3/6Ft or 1/2M. All my sources need 8’, and my TV needs 4’, this limits my choices but the MP Ultra Slims work well for me (they pass 4K/60 DV, the acid test to me). I hope eventually more 2.1 lengths become available and I’ll give them a try.

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The point being if the new screen savers are HDR only the people running the UI in SDR won't see them however long they wait.
So this isn’t something that’s changed or been ‘fixed’ in tvOS 13, that is if you have Match Frame / Dynamic Range on (and your system is capable) you might see ‘all’ of the screensavers (SDR and HDR)? I say ‘fixed’ because it seems to me if we encourage tvOS Apps to look at the flags to display their content properly, Apple should do the same and not require us to turn HDR on to see HDR content. But I’m sure this has been discussed ad nauseam and I’m in the wrong camp.

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https://www.macrumors.com/2019/09/25...screen-savers/

https://9to5mac.com/2019/09/25/apple...-screensavers/

Apparently we need to keep Aerial selected!

I'm not seeing anything new yet, but we must be close

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But I’m sure this has been discussed ad nauseam and I’m in the wrong camp.
Well yes and no. Match means use the native source format (switch output to match input) if possible. The Aerials select an input from a set that matches current output range so Match Range isn't part of the process but I believe Match Rate is honored.

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It is really annoying that the only way to get HDR screensavers is to have the ATV in HDR all the time. The menus look awful in fake HDR and AT&T TV Now doesn't even support match range so the programming also looks terrible.

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It is really annoying that the only way to get HDR screensavers is to have the ATV in HDR all the time. The menus look awful in fake HDR and AT&T TV Now doesn't even support match range so the programming also looks terrible.


I’ll disagree, I don’t want my TV renegotiating with the TV every time my screen saver goes on and off. More than annoying. So yes, they “could” add another switch to do that but it is not just screen savers in iOS 13 UI but other stuff than can come on as full screen animations and videos as you browse.

Your complaint should go to ATTs app imho. Seems like a pretty easy fix on their part.
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Yes,

I keep mine at 4k HDR 24 most of the time. Keeping in SDR all the time was recommended in this thread maybe 1000 times so far but I know what works best with my gear set.

If I notice I'm watching a TV Series from UK then I'll put it in 4K HDR 25.

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p.s. I have the same screen savers on my MacBook Pro as my ATV4K and they do get updated with new ones... maybe they will update with the new ones as well on their own... would be nice.
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It is really annoying that the only way to get HDR screensavers is to have the ATV in HDR all the time. The menus look awful in fake HDR and AT&T TV Now doesn't even support match range so the programming also looks terrible.
So are you saying that if you set the UI to 4K SDR with range and frame rate match on you won't see the HDR screensavers?
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