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Yes, I see that they have it but it doesn't show that I own it so I must have had one with another ID?

That is the biggest mistake about digital purchases... not knowing you own NOTHING. It's a lease, not ownership in the traditional sense. The provider can delete, modify, downgrade, etc. the file at any time, for any reason. Or they can simply go out of business without giving you recourse.


Might as well build your collection on sand.


Discs, at least, can have some longevity and no one has come knocking on people's doors (yet) to confiscate said discs if the studio commands it. Plus the bitrates are better and you get lossless audio.

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Heat was 4K/HDR when I bought it then downgraded for some reason then came back. There are so many examples like that I can't even remember them all. Yes, you're right about Wizard of Oz. Apple released that one early and had to pull it so I'll withdraw that comment :-).
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Brian, I could swear we've already had this conversation, with you, at some point in the past

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I'm sure we did. It's scary when a movie disappears for a while or becomes hidden in your library and the iTunes Store says you should buy it if you want to watch it.

Two reasons this won't be a conversation we have again ....

1- I've gone back to buying discs. If my iTunes are all free I don't get uptight if they disappear.

2- ATV4K does a lot more than iTunes so if I stop using iTunes we can still have a lot to talk about regarding ATV4K.

Sorry about my ranting. I'm actually glad to really have a good idea of how to use Digital Copies now, they are my mobile and on a plane version as far as I'm concerned. I would say they are a backup but they are too unreliable for that.

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That is the biggest mistake about digital purchases... not knowing you own NOTHING. It's a lease, not ownership in the traditional sense. The provider can delete, modify, downgrade, etc. the file at any time, for any reason. Or they can simply go out of business without giving you recourse.

Might as well build your collection on sand.

Discs, at least, can have some longevity and no one has come knocking on people's doors (yet) to confiscate said discs if the studio commands it. Plus the bitrates are better and you get lossless audio.
Discs may have some longevity but it's not worth the small risk of having them removed compared to the big savings when buying the streaming version only. I wouldn't have the large collection I have if I had to buy them all on disc. Not to mention that studios are releasing 4k versions of titles only via streaming more and more so to get the best quality you need to buy that version.

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*snip* Not to mention that studios are releasing 4k versions of titles only via streaming more and more so to get the best quality you need to buy that version.

I’m still on Netflix’s DVD (one at a time) service and I’ve been noticing more and more new releases coming out in SD DVDs. I didn’t put that together. Interesting.
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That is the biggest mistake about digital purchases... not knowing you own NOTHING. It's a lease, not ownership in the traditional sense.
Mostly.

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Dolby Atmos not working for Disney+ Mandalorian on ATV4K and other devices.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...tmos-problems/

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Dolby Atmos not working for Disney+ Mandalorian on ATV4K and other devices.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...tmos-problems/
Funny how they state that the streaming devices 'decode' the Dolby Atmos content. They just have to pass through the stream. The decoding is done by the AVR.
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Funny how they state that the streaming devices 'decode' the Dolby Atmos content. They just have to pass through the stream. The decoding is done by the AVR.
Just checked what I was getting in Episode 1 and my Yamaha AVR indicates PCM 5.1 but what is even more interesting is that the audio description next to the video detail Disney + displays does not even indicate it is in Dolby Atmos. Furthermore it will not allow me to play Episode 2 as it says I have finished Ep 2 and takes me to SW movie?

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Dolby Atmos not working for Disney+ Mandalorian on ATV4K and other devices.
That summary sounds a bit misleading. The Disney+ movie pages marked as 5.1 play 5.1 or they say Atmos and send Atmos. Deliberately or unintentionally Disney isn't sending the same audio to all platforms.
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Funny how they state that the streaming devices 'decode' the Dolby Atmos content. They just have to pass through the stream. ...
No, but they should have said process rather than decode. The ATV4K decodes the audio stream, processes it and by default sends it as LPCM. If it's Atmos audio it's re-encoded as MAT/LPCM.

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That summary sounds a bit misleading. The Disney+ movie pages marked as 5.1 play 5.1 or they say Atmos and send Atmos. Deliberately or unintentionally Disney isn't sending the same audio to all platforms.
I do like that the app lists the capabilities of the connected devices and reflects them in the label for the content. So, if I use the Samsung TV app, HDR10 is shown rather than Dolby Vision as the TV does not support it. Unfortunately, Dolby Digital 2.0 is all that is supported in the app so there is no audio label at all. Using the Apple TV 4K connected to the TV through an Onkyo reveiver, the label for HDR10 stays the same and the audio ranges from 5.1 to Dolby Atmos. I really do wish the Apple TV 4k would bitstream all of the audio but let's not go there. Its a scary place and my nerves are shot. I use the Onkyo app on my phone to see the audio/video signals being input from my different devices and to see how the Onkyo is processing them. Although the Samsung TV is capable of outputting a Dolby Digital+ signal through ARC as it does with the Netflix and Amazon Prime apps, the Disney+ app on it does not do it.
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That summary sounds a bit misleading. The Disney+ movie pages marked as 5.1 play 5.1 or they say Atmos and send Atmos. Deliberately or unintentionally Disney isn't sending the same audio to all platforms.
True. Depending on my device and what it is connected to the Disney+ App the A/V description is accurate. HDR not DV for my Rokus and no Atmos for my simple SB TV.

If it isn't showing Atmos on my Atmos system, it generally means I've got a handshake issue & need to restart my gear and the Disney App.
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Discs may have some longevity but it's not worth the small risk of having them removed compared to the big savings when buying the streaming version only. I wouldn't have the large collection I have if I had to buy them all on disc. Not to mention that studios are releasing 4k versions of titles only via streaming more and more so to get the best quality you need to buy that version.
I somewhat felt that way, though I haven’t been a big collector, preferring to rent from Redbox, or stream from Amazon Prime and Netflix. But since I’m not near a UHD Redbox, and I’ve seen the noticeable quality improvement of UHD disks over streaming (especially sound), I started buying. My first venture was last years Black Friday where I picked up a number of UHD disks for $7 - $9 dollars, as well as a very good price on the entire Harry Potter in UHD. Then I bought a couple of used lots that were up my alley, which came in to my door at about $6 each. Which is all to say you can get competitive with iTunes, but you have to be patient and resourceful.

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I somewhat felt that way, though I haven’t been a big collector, preferring to rent from Redbox, or stream from Amazon Prime and Netflix. But since I’m not near a UHD Redbox, and I’ve seen the noticeable quality improvement of UHD disks over streaming (especially sound), I started buying. My first venture was last years Black Friday where I picked up a number of disks for $7 - $9 dollars, as well as a very good price on the entire Harry Potter in UHD. Then I bought a couple of used lots that were up my alley, which came in to my door at about $6 each. Which is all to say you can get competitive with iTunes, but you have to be patient and resourceful.
That's my problem, "patience" is not my strong suit.
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Apple announces December 2 event.

Maybe they will yet release a new AppleTV this year?
but not sure still no leak for new AppleTV
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If we get a new ATV4K I'm betting it'll simply show up on Apple's website one day. Of course, if we're talking revolutionary instead of evolutionary then we'll get an event. Just a thought!

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Yea, they would add 4K YouTube capability and make an event to announce the "Next Big Thing" lol /sarcasm

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Dolby Atmos not working for Disney+ Mandalorian on ATV4K and other devices.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...tmos-problems/
Looks like currently the lone exception is that ATMOS is working for The Mandalorian on the Roku Stick + according to the article and other reports I have seen (Roku Premier as well). Hopefully they will get this particular hiccup ironed out soon.

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yah i still waiting


It’s not coming. Lol. There’s absolutely zero need for new hardware.


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I'm not aware of any hardware limitations with the current hardware unless it's for Apple Arcade. I'm not sure how it compares to the new 2019 Shield, but I still think the ATV4K is more powerful. My guess is we see a new Apple TV next fall at the earliest, or perhaps even not then. To encourage people to adopt a new ATV it would need to be able to do something the current one can't. Unless some things are needed for Apple Arcade, the current hardware isn't a limiting factor.
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The new Shield does not yet natively frame rate switch. However there is an option to manually match frame rate. It's a little clunky but works. I would expect it to be a permanent and automatic fix in the next firmware release

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It’s not coming. Lol. There’s absolutely zero need for new hardware.
I can think of at least one reason why new HW might be needed... :-p
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Care to share? My view is that all the current limitations could be fixed via software should Apple be so minded.


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Care to share? My view is that all the current limitations could be fixed via software should Apple be so minded.
It's not currently possible to know (as far as I am aware) if Apple could support the 24.0 and 60.0 framerates on the current hardware platform. One might assume it could as the 50.0 integer rate is supported, however it's not a given. I'd like to give them some benefit of the doubt and think there is more to the lack of support for something that is dropping 1 in 1001 frames than a lack of will, but I'm probably wrong and Apple just don't think it is an issue.
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Not a hardware limitation
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It's not currently possible to know (as far as I am aware) if Apple could support the 24.0 and 60.0 framerates on the current hardware platform. One might assume it could as the 50.0 integer rate is supported, however it's not a given. I'd like to give them some benefit of the doubt and think there is more to the lack of support for something that is dropping 1 in 1001 frames than a lack of will, but I'm probably wrong and Apple just don't think it is an issue.

Yes, it's puzzling. Especially when you consider the MacBook Pro 16" which just launched can switch display framerates between 47.95, 48.00, 50.00, 59.94 and 60.00 if the user so chooses. So editors & producers can see exactly what their TV programme will look like correctly. So it seems Apple DO understand the difference between integer and fractional frame rates.


So perhaps it is a limitation of the HDMI chipset of the current Apple TV 4K????


Let's hope they can fix this issue in some way, even if it means the launch of an updated model. I would buy it.

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Do you have any docs to support this view? They would be useful the next time I try and bother Apple again on this (though I'm losing the will to live with the CS droids). I've not seen any positive proof.

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Yes, it's puzzling. Especially when you consider the MacBook Pro 16" which just launched can switch display framerates between 47.95, 48.00, 50.00, 59.94 and 60.00 if the user so chooses. So editors & producers can see exactly what their TV programme will look like correctly. So it seems Apple DO understand the difference between integer and fractional frame rates.

So perhaps it is a limitation of the HDMI chipset of the current Apple TV 4K????

Let's hope they can fix this issue in some way, even if it means the launch of an updated model. I would buy it.
I'd fairly happily replace all my units if it meant just a fix for this. That they understand the difference at least in some teams at Apple is clear as they document the differences in the HLS spec. I wasn't aware they'd added this support to the new Macbook - though of course the rates have long been supported by the GPUs used by Apple in their computers, whereas detail on the A10X internal GPU are very scarce on the ground from what I can see.
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Do you have any docs to support this view? They would be useful the next time I try and bother Apple again on this (though I'm losing the will to live with the CS droids). I've not seen any positive proof.
Sorry nothing that would stand up in court just extrapolation based on the capabilities of for example older iPads editing video with LumaFusion.
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