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I disagree, especially when watching a lot of dark scenes.

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Did you do a side by side comparison? There's so much that can go wrong and has an impact on visual fidelity in dark scenes. Based on what was presented in the video, the impact of Apple's conversion doesn't seem to be that dramatic.

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Did you do a side by side comparison? There's so much that can go wrong and has an impact on visual fidelity in dark scenes. Based on what was presented in the video, the impact of Apple's conversion doesn't seem to be that dramatic.
A video in most cases won't exactly reflect what you actually see.

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A video in most cases won't exactly reflect what you actually see.

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You didn't answer my question – did you do a side by side comparison?

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You didn't answer my question – did you do a side by side comparison?
Alternating comparisons of the same scene. Answering the question doesn't change the facts.

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Not really. ATV will convert the DV signal to HDR and actually does a pretty bad job . There is a lot of complains about this here and on other boards.
Not really, Netflix, Amazon and Prime all have multiple streams per movie. The client app tell the server which version to send over. Why would ATV do that kind of unnecessary conversion? The conversion is only needed when you have no other choices, like a local copy of the movie or in the case of your links points out that iTunes only send out DV version.
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@Foxbat121 , the ATV4K also does the DV to HDR-10 conversion for Netflix; when I connect the ATV4K to my non-DV, HDR-only display, Netflix shows the DV badge in the show/movie description, but outputs HDR-10
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Not really, Netflix, Amazon and Prime all have multiple streams per movie. The client app tell the server which version to send over. Why would ATV do that kind of unnecessary conversion? The conversion is only needed when you have no other choices, like a local copy of the movie or in the case of your links points out that iTunes only send out DV version.
It seems that Apple stores only the Dolby Vision version for its Netflix App. HDR10 is derived from the Dolby Vision version. It is this conversion that has a side effect of varying HDR10 metadata that has been reported by many.
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While Apple certainly needs to address this, the difference after converting DV to HDR isn't as night and day as your post suggests...
I have a non DV display and HDR10 from the ATV compared to devices such as the Firestick or Nvidia Shield looks identical to me. I've always thought they do a pretty good job.
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While Apple certainly needs to address this, the difference after converting DV to HDR isn't as night and day as your post suggests...
I see a big difference. When I watch a movie in HDR on ROKU and the same movie converted from DV to HDR on ATV , the brightness is much higher without the conversion. My AV receiver is not DV capable and I like the ATMOS from NETFLIX on ATV, that's why I have to live with the conversion.
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This 9to5Mac article provides some interesting information. See the last paragraphs for their current thoughts about new Apple TV hardware.

https://9to5mac.com/2020/04/13/homep...at-could-mean/
Interesting find. If it's going to use the new A14 chip that the iPhone 12 will use, we wont see a new ATV until after the iPhone 12 is released. The iPhone is the pride and joy of Apple, and the first device to get these new chips is the iPhone. Since the iPhone 12 will come out in September, or possibly later due to Covid 19, expect the new ATV to follow a few months later. So it could be out by end of year, or in 2021. So still a long wait.
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I see a big difference. When I watch a movie in HDR on ROKU and the same movie converted from DV to HDR on ATV , the brightness is much higher without the conversion. My AV receiver is not DV capable and I like the ATMOS from NETFLIX on ATV, that's why I have to live with the conversion.
I also thought that Netflix HDR10 from the ATV4K was often darker than it should be. I blame the conversion from DV and the artificial HDR metadata values inserted.

So with the help of a HDfury device I now send the LLDV variant of Dolby Vision to my HDR10 JVC projector instead.

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Does apple know for a phone I use android, an even if I got the latest and greatest iPhone free, or with a payment of $10000, you could not entice me to touch one of their phones? Even though my wife is iPhone and that is who our account is logged in as?
I am so close to putting an axe thru the 4k ATV. I never had an issue, nor currently do with the last gen model, which we still use in the lounge room. But every time I use this thing I end up with being made angry by it, even though in general I'm so in angry and unstressed, even during this pandemic. When we sat down tonight to watch Picard, I was ready for an idiotic sign in, so I had the Bluetooth keyboard all ready to go. And I was amazed when I started it that I didn't have to log in again. Win!

So we started watching Picard, after the tenth instance of this piece of refuse popping up this huge banner saying network connection dropped, even though the video was playing fine with no degradation, and no outages on the router, I started getting angry. I thought ok, I'll pause reboot the $400 router, and maybe these constant interruptions will disappear.

But no. No. Still keep happening. No network issues. And I'm talking 1ft wired ethernet modem to router plus 1ft ethernet wired router to Apple TV, and a 100mb link.

When people keep saying I'm a dinosaur for buying Blu Ray and UHDs, I don't understand them. How do people put up with that streaming in a great home theatre? When I play a disc it is always perfect.

Should I buy another router? Stop using wired ethernet? Is wired ethernet the problem as Apple fans don't get wires?

I just don't know what is going wrong. As I said I have ZERO issues with the last gen ATV. I'm king of wondering if I should just get an old ATV for my 4k Atmos cinema.

PS. As an addendum, my wife got a headache from my reaction, and had to leave, and I ended my night flawlessly watching Blu Ray discs on my Panasonic UHD player. I didn't get to the end of Picard episode 1. I'm now going to see if there is evena SD release of it on DVD that would be preferable to Apple and their idiot obnoxious popups
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wow, you sure put a lot of "thought" into that post!

my ATV4K is wired, Cat6 gigabit network and i have no problems with CBSAA and i get Picard in DV 5.1 and it looks and sounds great. even if i use Prime for Picard, no issues with video or audio.

interestingly enough, the only app i get consistent issues with is Pluto, that i think is an app issue, it's horrible.

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Does apple know for a phone I use android, an even if I got the latest and greatest iPhone free, or with a payment of $10000, you could not entice me to touch one of their phones? Even though my wife is iPhone and that is who our account is logged in as?
I am so close to putting an axe thru the 4k ATV. I never had an issue, nor currently do with the last gen model, which we still use in the lounge room. But every time I use this thing I end up with being made angry by it, even though in general I'm so in angry and unstressed, even during this pandemic. When we sat down tonight to watch Picard, I was ready for an idiotic sign in, so I had the Bluetooth keyboard all ready to go. And I was amazed when I started it that I didn't have to log in again. Win!

So we started watching Picard, after the tenth instance of this piece of refuse popping up this huge banner saying network connection dropped, even though the video was playing fine with no degradation, and no outages on the router, I started getting angry. I thought ok, I'll pause reboot the $400 router, and maybe these constant interruptions will disappear.

But no. No. Still keep happening. No network issues. And I'm talking 1ft wired ethernet modem to router plus 1ft ethernet wired router to Apple TV, and a 100mb link.

When people keep saying I'm a dinosaur for buying Blu Ray and UHDs, I don't understand them. How do people put up with that streaming in a great home theatre? When I play a disc it is always perfect.

Should I buy another router? Stop using wired ethernet? Is wired ethernet the problem as Apple fans don't get wires?

I just don't know what is going wrong. As I said I have ZERO issues with the last gen ATV. I'm king of wondering if I should just get an old ATV for my 4k Atmos cinema.

PS. As an addendum, my wife got a headache from my reaction, and had to leave, and I ended my night flawlessly watching Blu Ray discs on my Panasonic UHD player. I didn't get to the end of Picard episode 1. I'm now going to see if there is evena SD release of it on DVD that would be preferable to Apple and their idiot obnoxious popups

Did you try another app? It could have been an issue with the CDN CBSAA uses for your area. Some folks were having issues with Hulu last night as well so it could have been related (CDN for your area having issues). I’ve never run into issues with CBSAA app, but I haven’t really tried it since folks have been seriously staying home and streaming has seen a major spike.
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My ATV4K is connected via ethernet to my router, and with the Ookla app it is 950 mbps down and 850 mbps up. On Wifi it is 400 down, I never have streaming issues. And coupled with Infuse Pro, it is one of the best streamers/media players out there. Signed someone who owns a Dune 4K Pro, a Shield, and Roku Ultra...
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I have 2 ATV4K, one Ethernet and the other WiFi. I have not experienced any dropouts on either connection. I actually prefer the ATV4K to any other streaming device I tried...or have, Firestick, etc.
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We also have two ATV's. An ATV4 and an ATV4k for two different HTS'. Both are wired and we've never had any issues with any app on either ATV. Hard wired with solid core CAT-6 (non-CCA/CCS and not pre-terminated CAT-6) cable.

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Does apple know for a phone I use android, an even if I got the latest and greatest iPhone free, or with a payment of $10000, you could not entice me to touch one of their phones? Even though my wife is iPhone and that is who our account is logged in as?
I am so close to putting an axe thru the 4k ATV. I never had an issue, nor currently do with the last gen model, which we still use in the lounge room. But every time I use this thing I end up with being made angry by it, even though in general I'm so in angry and unstressed, even during this pandemic. When we sat down tonight to watch Picard, I was ready for an idiotic sign in, so I had the Bluetooth keyboard all ready to go. And I was amazed when I started it that I didn't have to log in again. Win!

So we started watching Picard, after the tenth instance of this piece of refuse popping up this huge banner saying network connection dropped, even though the video was playing fine with no degradation, and no outages on the router, I started getting angry. I thought ok, I'll pause reboot the $400 router, and maybe these constant interruptions will disappear.

But no. No. Still keep happening. No network issues. And I'm talking 1ft wired ethernet modem to router plus 1ft ethernet wired router to Apple TV, and a 100mb link.

When people keep saying I'm a dinosaur for buying Blu Ray and UHDs, I don't understand them. How do people put up with that streaming in a great home theatre? When I play a disc it is always perfect.

Should I buy another router? Stop using wired ethernet? Is wired ethernet the problem as Apple fans don't get wires?

I just don't know what is going wrong. As I said I have ZERO issues with the last gen ATV. I'm king of wondering if I should just get an old ATV for my 4k Atmos cinema.

PS. As an addendum, my wife got a headache from my reaction, and had to leave, and I ended my night flawlessly watching Blu Ray discs on my Panasonic UHD player. I didn't get to the end of Picard episode 1. I'm now going to see if there is evena SD release of it on DVD that would be preferable to Apple and their idiot obnoxious popups
So you did a lot of wresting with your network configuration but I didn't see any mention of testing out any other content from another content provider.

I have owned multiple Apple TVs since launch and have never once seen that notification. It honestly sounds as simple as a CBS hosting or app issue from your description.

Edit: Ph8te beat me to it already but yeah, definitely a hosting, app, or ISP issue, not LAN or ATV related.
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It seems that Apple stores only the Dolby Vision version for its Netflix App.
Apple doesn't store Netflix video. Apple doesn't store most content.
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Apple doesn't store Netflix video. Apple doesn't store most content.
AppleInsider has an article about edge caching, which sounds kind of like they (Netflix and Prime) may have some video in cache on Apple servers for faster starting.
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AppleInsider has an article about edge caching, which sounds kind of like they (Netflix and Prime) may have some video in cache on Apple servers for faster starting.
That doesn't make sense for Netflix so perhaps they meant something else.

In any case if I post a correction I have almost certainly verified it. With the caution that I can only speak for my house, Netflix video has always come from the Netflix CDN. I've checked multiple times (the last being today) over the years and that's always been the case.

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I’m in a rural environment and have limited ISP choices, my provider for the last 12 years tops out at 10Mbps down, 3Mbps up. I’m about to test another option with hopes of at least doubling that, more if I’m lucky. My primary goal in changing is to get more / better 4K streams through TV (my only streaming box). We currently subscribe to Amazon Prime, Disney+, TV+, and (non 4K) Netflix. I’ve been able to stream 4K movies from Prime and Disney+ and especially like that they provide Atmos, even if I can’t always keep up with their bitrate (often though they look noticeably better than the HD counterpart).

I only get a 7 day trial of the new system, so I’m looking for an ‘Acid Test’ of movies, shows, and other media, to stream during that time to see whether the system can keep up with the demands and it’s worth making the change. I’m willing to sign up for 4K Netflix which I’ve currently avoided because I didn’t meet their stated bandwidth requirement, but it seems they may have some high bitrate movies I could test?

So, can any of you recommend a list of movies from the sources above that will tax my Internet access? A bonus if they’re any good Along those lines is there a place to find the maximum bitrate of of various streamed media so I can find other good test material? I can also test downloading large files from sites like 4Kmedia.org and computing the bitrate (a great place for non-stream demo material if you’ve not seen it).

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Did you try another app? It could have been an issue with the CDN CBSAA uses for your area. Some folks were having issues with Hulu last night as well so it could have been related (CDN for your area having issues). I’ve never run into issues with CBSAA app, but I haven’t really tried it since folks have been seriously staying home and streaming has seen a major spike.
The issue is that I'm getting these continual popups about no internet, but no interruption to the picture, no degradation to the picture, just these irritating popups ruining the viewing experience. And I'm not having internet dropouts looking at teh router logs. If it was just degradation of image quality, I'd understand, and I woulnd't worry.
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The issue is that I'm getting these continual popups about no internet, but no interruption to the picture, no degradation to the picture, just these irritating popups ruining the viewing experience. And I'm not having internet dropouts looking at teh router logs. If it was just degradation of image quality, I'd understand, and I woulnd't worry.
keep your phone handy and snap a picture of it and post it so we can see what your talking about. i mean, is it a message from the ATV4K or CBSAA? still take the picture and post it. thanks.

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My ATV4K never had any such problem. It is connected wired from day one.

Keep in mind that all streaming apps buffer contents. So even if your connection drops, it doesn't mean the video won't be able to play for a while. And if the connection restores before buffer runs out, you don't feel the stoppage of the video playback.
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The issue is that I'm getting these continual popups about no internet, but no interruption to the picture, no degradation to the picture, just these irritating popups ruining the viewing experience. And I'm not having internet dropouts looking at teh router logs. If it was just degradation of image quality, I'd understand, and I woulnd't worry.

If it was a more common problem, we may be able to to offer some suggestions, but I haven’t experienced what you are with my ATV4K. As the other user suggested, next tine it happens and you have your phone handy take a photo. It’s almost like you have either a hardware (maybe cable or ATV4K) issue or possibly a local CDN issue. Without testing other apps to see if you get the same issues it will be hard to tell.
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The issue is that I'm getting these continual popups about no internet, but no interruption to the picture, no degradation to the picture, just these irritating popups ruining the viewing experience. And I'm not having internet dropouts looking at teh router logs. If it was just degradation of image quality, I'd understand, and I woulnd't worry.
In your original post, what is responsible for the link rate of 100Mb?

Switch? The ATV4K is Gb Ethernet. If your router is the more expensive type, it should be Ethernet linking at Gb, not 100Mb. Try direct to router Ethernet. Your switch may be a bottleneck. Your switch may need upgrading.

While some apps may not be the best on ATV4K, most stream quite well on it. The flag may be an indication you're rebuffering the steam at lower resolution. For tasking the Netflix steam, maybe try Dolby Vision titles with Atmos. Not sure but maybe movies have the higher bit rates over the DV series. Enjoy while you can; with everyone at home viewing, you may get slowdowns.

One last suggestion is don't use your ISP DNS. There's DNS benchmarking tools you can run on your computer; Google it. I've ran Cloudflare and OpenDNS. Some just use Google DNS. Location can vary the results. Experiment. You can even select one for your ATV4K in its network settings.

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In your original post, what is responsible for the link rate of 100Mb?

Switch? The ATV4K is Gb Ethernet. If your router is the more expensive type, it should be Ethernet linking at Gb, not 100Mb. Try direct to router Ethernet. Your switch may be a bottleneck. Your switch may need upgrading.

While some apps may not be the best on ATV4K, most stream quite well on it. The flag may be an indication you're rebuffering the steam at lower resolution. For tasking the Netflix steam, maybe try Dolby Vision titles with Atmos. Not sure but maybe movies have the higher bit rates over the DV series. Enjoy while you can; with everyone at home viewing, you may get slowdowns.

One last suggestion is don't use your ISP DNS. There's DNS benchmarking tools you can run on your computer; Google it. I've ran Cloudflare and OpenDNS. Some just use Google DNS. Location can vary the results. Experiment. You can even select one for your ATV4K in its network settings.

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100Mb is my internet speed. The wired connections are full gigabit. Direct ATV to Router to modem.

Ok I'll try other end. But that is more address resolution, and that shouldn't affect an in progress stream.


Oh yeah, it is on Prime that this happened again (Australia). Not CBS. I'm pretty sure I've seen the same popup on Netflix too but I might be wrong.

I'll try to get a photo.

I just wish I could turn off all of the apple tv popups. If the image just froze or degraded I'd took, it is the provider. I'm not worried about that, especially now, that is expected. But I'm not getting any degradation.

I wish apple TV allowed downloading, like all these services do on mobile devices. But no for home theater gear you have a lesser solution... It makes no sense.

Does anyone have any recommendations for routers? Mine is an Asus 3200 and I guess it is a few years old now, so maybe I should look for a new one.
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AppleInsider has an article about edge caching, which sounds kind of like they (Netflix and Prime) may have some video in cache on Apple servers for faster starting.
No. Netlfix provide ISPs with free of charge edge cacheing hardware where ISPs have sufficient customers; the ISP hosts these servers in their own datacentres. They do this because it cuts their own bills significantly and improves customer experience.

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https://openconnect.netflix.com/en_gb/

This is one reason why not using an ISPs own DNS can result in worse streaming performance.
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No. Netlfix provide ISPs with free of charge edge cacheing hardware where ISPs have sufficient customers; the ISP hosts these servers in their own datacentres. They do this because it cuts their own bills significantly and improves customer experience.

Details are here:
https://openconnect.netflix.com/en_gb/

This is one reason why not using an ISPs own DNS can result in worse streaming performance.
I’m having trouble wrapping my head around who Or where the caching is. Is open connect different from this: https://cache.edge.apple/

Edit: the primary article was https://appleinsider.com/articles/20...r-to-consumers

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