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No issues with either app on the new firmware here. Might need to clear cache and reset to default

I did reset, cut switch off in back after upgrade and reset under Maint?? "clear cache" Dosen't this happen when you download and install the new NMT apps? I have an 2.5 HD I alway reformat this on new bin. I must be missing sometime here??? "clear cache" Will try again.

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I intstall the NMT applications everytime, and have never cleared the cache, or reset everything. So far I've had no issues with any firmware updates.
I do always update from a USB drive, never over the internet with the C200.
My first firmware update I used the internet connection and it took a very long time. So since then I've always done it with a USB flash drive.

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I did reset, cut switch off in back after upgrade and reset under Maint?? "clear cache" Dosen't this happen when you download and install the new NMT apps? I have an 2.5 HD I alway reformat this on new bin. I must be missing sometime here??? "clear cache" Will try again.

Its a button combo that needs to be done on the remote. Problem is, I cant remember it and Im having issues finding the combo. I'll post back when/if I find it

Edit: found it. go under "maintenance" and press the file mode button. That'll give you the option. If that doesnt work, I suggest maybe reformatting and reinstalling? I know its a lot of work, but Im not seeing a lot of reports about apps being broken. Something went funky for you somewhere.
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When I've used a USB BD drive attached to my C200, and play a BD title, it's just like when I play a BD ISO over my network. It will bitstream the advanced codecs both ways for me.

I didn't have that luck. Any help, please?
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I'm using Vantec USB enclosures with LiteOn and LG BD Rom drives. Both of them worked when connected to either my front or rear USB ports on the C200. I have only done this fairly recently. I didn't even realize the C200 was capable of it since earlier in the year when I tried they did not have this capability.

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I am considering buying a C-200, but I do not know which of the four C-200 packages I need. The four packages are listed here http://www.popcornhour.com/onlinesto...option=catalog
To assist in answering my question, here are my plans on how I will be using the C-200:
I have a dedicated theater room. There are no computers with in this room, only audio and video gear. In this room, there a dedicated Pioneer Elite blu-ray player bdp-23fd; so therefore I don't think there is a need to install a blu-ray player inside the C-200. I also don't think I will be installing an internal hard drive; instead I will be hooking up an external drive or enclosure of some type like this one http://shop.promise.com/index.php?p=...&parent=2&pg=1
This hard drive or enclosure will more than likely be hooked directly up to the C-200 via usb or whatever cable connection is fastest. At this time, I do not believe that I will be doing any streaming... at this time. If I did stream, it might just be mp3 files on my computer which is located in another room. The wireless router is an Apple Airport Extreme and the computer is Windows 7 Pro 64bit.
So, given this information, which of the four packages do I need? What is the function of a C-200 internal usb drive? Do I need it? What will be the most efficient way to get my blu-ray movies off my computer and onto the external hard drive or enclosure?
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The C-200 comes standard with an RF remote, which works great. They offer the IRK-200 as an option. This is an Infrared remote like most remotes that come with typical electronic equipment. I would think the only reason you'd want this option is if you planned on using a universal remote like a Harmony.

The MN-200 wireless option is if you won't be hooking our C-200 up to an ethernet cable and need internet connection. If you don't plan on streaming my guess is that you'll have to transfer your movies from your computer to your hard drive via USB which would be the quickest way.

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The C-200 comes standard with an RF remote, which works great. They offer the IRK-200 as an option. This is an Infrared remote like most remotes that come with typical electronic equipment. I would think the only reason you'd want this option is if you planned on using a universal remote like a Harmony.

The MN-200 wireless option is if you won't be hooking our C-200 up to an ethernet cable and need internet connection. If you don't plan on streaming my guess is that you'll have to transfer your movies from your computer to your hard drive via USB which would be the quickest way.

Are you saying that I won't be needing a MN-200? What about the internal usb? What about the WN-150, or is that what I was thinking when I mentioned internal usb?
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Are you saying that I won't be needing a MN-200? What about the internal usb? What about the WN-150, or is that what I was thinking when I mentioned internal usb?

The MN200 you only need for wireless connectivity, do you plan on using? An internal USB you would want to use for internal storage such as Apps and BD Live. The WN-150 is the same concept as the MN-200. The MN-200 is a PCI solution (so it would get installed internally to the PCI slot of the board, with the antenna sticking out.). The WN-150 just connected to one of the external USB ports. Once again, all depends if you plan on going wireless

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The MN200 you only need for wireless connectivity, do you plan on using? An internal USB you would want to use for internal storage such as Apps and BD Live. The WN-150 is the same concept as the MN-200. The MN-200 is a PCI solution (so it would get installed internally to the PCI slot of the board, with the antenna sticking out.). The WN-150 just connected to one of the external USB ports. Once again, all depends if you plan on going wireless

The MN-200 is a fantastic wireless solution. Supports both 2.4 and 5GHz bands. I use it all the time, even though I also have a wired connection. It is far better than the USB stick for wireless.

You cannot transfer files via a USB host/slave connection. You can hot-swap with the front bay.

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A couple of more questions from someone looking at the c-200. I am new at this so bare with me. What I want is a solution to store my Blurays for playback in my dedicated hometheater. I must have 1080p and lossless audio. I assume that I will need to use my home computer to rip my blurays to a media server (http://shop.promise.com/index.php?p=...&parent=2&pg=1). Or can the c-200 rip the blurays? Should the server be connected via usb to my computer or the the c-200? I have a wireless network, so try to figure out the best solution. Also, once you select a move to watch, how long is the load time? Do you have menus to navigate just like you would have from putting the bluray into a BD player? Do you guys even use a bluray player anymore? I have the Oppo BD83.

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A couple of more questions from someone looking at the c-200. I am new at this so bare with me. What I want is a solution to store my Blurays for playback in my dedicated hometheater. I must have 1080p and lossless audio. I assume that I will need to use my home computer to rip my blurays to a media server (http://shop.promise.com/index.php?p=...&parent=2&pg=1). Or can the c-200 rip the blurays? Should the server be connected via usb to my computer or the the c-200? I have a wireless network, so try to figure out the best solution. Also, once you select a move to watch, how long is the load time? Do you have menus to navigate just like you would have from putting the bluray into a BD player? Do you guys even use a bluray player anymore? I have the Oppo BD83.

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You rip to a PC, the C200 cannot rip. Generally a Server will be connected via a network, not via USB to a device. If you just want to connect via USB and skip networking you can just get an external drive like the new 3TB external drives from Seagate/WD. You would connect via USB to your PC to rip/transfer files, and then when done would connect directly to your C200. Of course if you want more of a server experience you will need to set up a network (wireless will not cut it for streaming BluRays).

With the C200 you will have access to full br menus just as if you were playing the disc itself

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You rip to a PC, the C200 cannot rip. Generally a Server will be connected via a network, not via USB to a device. If you just want to connect via USB and skip networking you can just get an external drive like the new 3TB external drives from Seagate/WD. You would connect via USB to your PC to rip/transfer files, and then when done would connect directly to your C200. Of course if you want more of a server experience you will need to set up a network (wireless will not cut it for streaming BluRays).

With the C200 you will have access to full br menus just as if you were playing the disc itself


And also a good thing about the C200, if you don't want access to the full BD menus, you can switch to simple BD mode and from a full BD ISO rip, the movie will start playing right away along with the Bitstreamed audio from the advanced codecs. How many media players have the capability for full BD menus and BD lite menus?(I'm not sure I'm curious though since the Dunes did not have this capability when i tried them)

That is one reason i really like the C200. I do full BD ISO rips, so if i want to I can have the full disc experience by setting my C200 for full BD menu navigation. Or if I just want to play the movie I can do that to and still get the HBR audio from the C200. Or with my PopBoxes and the full BD ISO I'll get DD/DTS/PCM from bitstreamed advanced codecs.

For me, the full BD ISO rip is the most versatile to have since it gives me the most options. Although it also takes up the most space.

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And also a good thing about the C200, if you don't want access to the full BD menus, you can switch to simple BD mode and from a full BD ISO rip, the movie will start playing right away along with the Bitstreamed audio from the advanced codecs. How many media players have the capability for full BD menus and BD lite menus?(I'm not sure I'm curious though since the Dunes did not have this capability when i tried them)

That is one reason i really like the C200. I do full BD ISO rips, so if i want to I can have the full disc experience by setting my C200 for full BD menu navigation. Or if I just want to play the movie I can do that to and still get the HBR audio from the C200. Or with my PopBoxes and the full BD ISO I'll get DD/DTS/PCM from bitstreamed advanced codecs.

For me, the full BD ISO rip is the most versatile to have since it gives me the most options. Although it also takes up the most space.

I'm glad you mentioned all of these neat things about the C200. Even though I keep playing with a variety of general media players I keep on using the C200 as my main general player. It's a great player.

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Is it possible to have both Ethernet and Wireless active? I don't have a dedicated ethernet cable and have to run a long one when I do transfers of rips to the internal drive from my computer. For other quicker things I'd like to connect wirelessly but I have to go into the menu and switch back and forth from Ethernet to Wireless.

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I am a long time PCH-A100 user here who has been thinking of upgrading to the C-200 for a while now.

1. One of my biggest peeves is having to turn the TV on when listening to music in order to navigate and see what is currently playing.

How enjoyable/useful is the LCD screen when it comes to listening to music?

2. My other peeve is the 30-second skip back when watching video. I have a lot of "What did they just say" or "What just happened" moments and having to wait 30 seconds + another couple of seconds for the network connection to reset is highly annoying.

Is this the same on the C-200?

3. My A-100 doesn't know the length [in time] that a VBR MP3 file has. Is this fixed in the C-200?

4. Can you finally shuffle play music on the C-200? That is a big minus on my A-100.

If anyone else has insights on how the C-200 experience differs from the A-100 I would appreciate it.
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^^ I, too, am in a similar position (although I'll probably buy on anyway.)

I bought an A-110 about a year ago. The C-200 was just coming out. Based on what I've read I'm glad I waited.

I'll have to upgrade my AVR in the theater, as it predates HDMI. Anyway, I plan on getting two C-200's and moving the A-110 into the bedroom. I'll put BD drives in the both and retire four disk players. (Too bad it doesn't do HD DVD. Also, if it decoded to 7.1 analog I wouldn't need to replace my AVR.)

I have most (60%) of my movies in YAMJ already, so it'll be nice to get another streamer that will already have a library available.

I plan to officially join the owners club next month.
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^^ I, too, am in a similar position (although I'll probably buy on anyway.)

I bought an A-110 about a year ago. The C-200 was just coming out. Based on what I've read I'm glad I waited.

I'll have to upgrade my AVR in the theater, as it predates HDMI. Anyway, I plan on getting two C-200's and moving the A-110 into the bedroom. I'll put BD drives in the both and retire four disk players. (Too bad it doesn't do HD DVD. Also, if it decoded to 7.1 analog I wouldn't need to replace my AVR.)

I have most (60%) of my movies in YAMJ already, so it'll be nice to get another streamer that will already have a library available.

I plan to officially join the owners club next month.

I am pretty sure the Dunes will decode to 7.1 analog. I have a Dune BD Prime and a C200 and have been very happy with both. With the C200 just dig around with what BR ROM drive you get. I installed a BR ROM Drive that I had in one of my PCs and although it works it is loud (like a PC drive)

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Thanks Damian,

According to their website, the Dunes decode those codecs internally, but I'm happy (and the family is familiar with) the YAMJ interface. I'm looking to avoid YAMJ in one room and MyMovies in the other.

And a Big Thank You for your blogs. You have saved me (and others I'm sure) from countless amounts of frustration.
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Thanks Damian,

According to their website, the Dunes decode those codecs internally, but I'm happy (and the family is familiar with) the YAMJ interface. I'm looking to avoid YAMJ in one room and MyMovies in the other.

And a Big Thank You for your blogs. You have saved me (and others I'm sure) from countless amounts of frustration.

I hear ya, one day my goal is to have the same interface throughout the house instead of 4-5 different interfaces that I have right now!!

Thanks for the kind words and glad you have enjoyed the blogs

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I don't know if this is old news in here or not...but I just got an email announcing the "brand new rich user interface, dubbed the Networked Media Jukebox (NMJ), and Popcorn Hour Apps Market"...even though I don't own my C-200 anymore...lol.

Congratulations guys! It's been, how long in the making; year and a half? I'm not saying that to be sarcastic or snide. Sure, it's been forever coming...but if it's great, better late than never, right?

I wonder when it'll start to trickle down; PopBox maybe?

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Sweet! I see the firmware update on the NMT site with todays date. I'll need to update my C200 tonight.

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Sweet! I see the firmware update on the NMT site with todays date. I'll need to update my C200 tonight.

The interface is very nice. The timing of the release is interesting.

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I don't know if this is old news in here or not...but I just got an email announcing the "brand new rich user interface, dubbed the Networked Media Jukebox (NMJ), and Popcorn Hour Apps Market"...even though I don't own my C-200 anymore...lol.

Congratulations guys! It's been, how long in the making; year and a half? I'm not saying that to be sarcastic or snide. Sure, it's been forever coming...but if it's great, better late than never, right?

I wonder when it'll start to trickle down; PopBox maybe?

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The interface and scraping are very interesting. They probably learned from the PopBox. They even have "watched folders" and a tool to convert YAMJ data into NMJ data. This is not a minor release and they seem to be hard at work on a version 2 of the NMJ. This is going to be tough, deciding between Oversight and NMJ ( and BBox ).

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^^ I, too, am in a similar position (although I'll probably buy on anyway.)

I bought an A-110 about a year ago. The C-200 was just coming out. Based on what I've read I'm glad I waited.

I'll have to upgrade my AVR in the theater, as it predates HDMI. Anyway, I plan on getting two C-200's and moving the A-110 into the bedroom. I'll put BD drives in the both and retire four disk players. (Too bad it doesn't do HD DVD. Also, if it decoded to 7.1 analog I wouldn't need to replace my AVR.)

I have most (60%) of my movies in YAMJ already, so it'll be nice to get another streamer that will already have a library available.

I plan to officially join the owners club next month.

For what it's worth the new NMJ which comes with the C200 has a tool to convert YAMJ into NMJ form ( you can also continue to use YAMJ).

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The interface and scraping are very interesting. They probably learned from the PopBox. They even have "watched folders" and a tool to convert YAMJ data into NMJ data. This is not a minor release and they seem to be hard at work on a version 2 of the NMJ. This is going to be tough, deciding between Oversight and NMJ ( and BBox ).

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I have gotten behind on the beta testing but I know when the jukebox was first introduced as an Alpha it wasn't that well received. It sounds like they listened to the beta group though, and I saw probably 4-6 beta versions come out before release. Maybe the Popbox boys should have learned a lesson from this

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I loaded it up last night and let it scrape all night. I had checked it before going to be after a few hours of scraping and it seemed like it was only at 25% but it was also scraping from my WHS which has around 13TB of content. It was finished when I checked it this morning.

This is certainly a nice improvement. It seems to work well.

One thing new I noticed in teh settings menu was a "prompt" option for BD navigation. I'm guessing it shoudl prompt me whether I want full BD menu navigation or simpel BD menu Navigation.
I only tried it with two titles from the Wall field but it never gave me an option. It went right into full menu navigation. No big deal for now.

Overall it is a huge improvement over before. Now I'm wishing I had kept my A200 and changed out the case instead of replacing it with the PopBox. The PopBox shows me coverart art also from my BD ISOs and plays them well, but it is very slow to navigate the selections. The C200 is very fast navigating through the Jukebox.

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In case my previous question was missed does anyone know if you can have the C-200 default to Wireless but automatically switch to ethernet when it has a cable attached to it (like most laptops do).

SecondlyI can't seem to figure out the right way to name U571 and have either YAMJ or the new NMJ scrape it correctly. I've tried U-571, U571 and U_571. Am I missing something.

Along those same lines I can't get the 'Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds Radio City' Blu-Ray and 'Black Crowes Freak N Roll Into The Fog' Blu-ray to scrape either. These concert blu-rays seem to be tricky because the naming has the band name and the name of the concert and frequently include things like or & in them.

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In case my previous question was missed does anyone know if you can have the C-200 default to Wireless but automatically switch to ethernet when it has a cable attached to it (like most laptops do).

Secondly…I can't seem to figure out the right way to name U571 and have either YAMJ or the new NMJ scrape it correctly. I've tried U-571, U571 and U_571. Am I missing something.

Along those same lines I can't get the 'Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds Radio City' Blu-Ray and 'Black Crowes Freak N Roll Into The Fog' Blu-ray to scrape either. These concert blu-rays seem to be tricky because the naming has the band name and the name of the concert and frequently include things like … or & in them.

When I ripped it with My Movies, the folder shows up as U-571 and the ISO is also listed as the same. On the C200 it shows the coverart for U-571 properly but it shows the title as U for some reason.
But the coverart has the title on it so that is good enough for me since you can scan through the wall of cover art extremely fast. But it is messed up for searching though since it does not recognize U-571 for a search.

EDIT: I just checked one of my PopBoxes. It's doing the same thing there too. The coverart is correct but it shows up as "U" for some reason.
It plays fine when selecting the coverart just like the C200 does.

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Does anyone know how to stop the NMJ from scanning the whole volume? You are supposed to be able to place a file named .no_all.nmj in a folder to stop it, but those files can't be used on certain systems, at least my WHS won't let me name a file that. It considers it a system file.

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