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If you subscribe to Tidal, do you get to keep the files permanently?
With Tidal subscription (Premium or HiFi), only certain artists or record labels have authorized saving files, but on mobile devices and it's 320mbps MP3 format.

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A Node 2i has the authentication chip from Apple to be able to use Airplay 2, the older one doesn't. It also has added two-way Bluetooth so it can broadcast to Bluetooth headphones and other BT devices, the Node 2 does not. Both have good wireless connection, as does the original Node.

If you don't need Bluetooth at all or are willing to use a USB adapter for it (losing the USB digital input for music), you could save even more money and get the full unfold of MQA with an original Node N100. That's what my son uses with his Denon AVR5011.
Thanks Ken. I believe the unit I'm referring to is the original Node. Bluesound calls it "Bluesound Node". Is this the same as the Node N100 that you're referring to? Here is the link:
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Thanks Ken. I believe the unit I'm referring to is the original Node. Bluesound calls it "Bluesound Node". Is this the same as the Node N100 that you're referring to? Here is the link:
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Yes, the original Node is what I mean. I may have the model number wrong, it might be N150 afterall. They don't really use those numbers much anymore. That's an incredible price! I paid more than that for used ones on eBay.

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I'm looking at buying a Bluesound Node 2i because of its convenience as a streamer of just about anything, but I don't want to use its analog outputs. I have searched but have not been able to find any specs on its Toslink or Digital coax outputs. Does anyone know if they support 192K/24bit output?

Is anyone using the Node 2i for its streaming capability only and connecting to external DACs via its digital outputs?

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I'm looking at buying a Bluesound Node 2i because of its convenience as a streamer of just about anything, but I don't want to use its analog outputs. I have searched but have not been able to find any specs on its Toslink or Digital coax outputs. Does anyone know if they support 192K/24bit output?

Is anyone using the Node 2i for its streaming capability only and connecting to external DACs via its digital outputs?
The digital outputs are capable of up to the 192/24. You wouldn't get any MQA unfold, but you probably don't need it if you're intent upon bypassing the very good DAC in the Node 2i.

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The digital outputs are capable of up to the 192/24. You wouldn't get any MQA unfold, but you probably don't need it if you're intent upon bypassing the very good DAC in the Node 2i.
Thanks Ken. Good to know.
If the Node's DAC is very good, that will be a bonus. Simpler setup than using the DAC in the Oppo 205, which can also do the MQA unfold. I'm not sure how important that is though. I've compared hi-res flac files and MQA for some of my favorite music, and I like the hi-res better. Maybe I'm not doing the MQA right.

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Thanks Ken. Good to know.
If the Node's DAC is very good, that will be a bonus. Simpler setup than using the DAC in the Oppo 205, which can also do the MQA unfold. I'm not sure how important that is though. I've compared hi-res flac files and MQA for some of my favorite music, and I like the hi-res better. Maybe I'm not doing the MQA right.
The DAC in the Bluesound Node 2/2i is a Burr-Brown PCM5122, I'm pretty sure. Different than what I believe is an ESS Sabre in Oppo devices, yet still very good.

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I was looking at the Node 2i as well and if I remember correctly it has the capability of doing Bluetooth in both directions, in and out. Has anyone tried them simultaneously, say an iPhone using Spotify in to a pair of Sony WH-1000XM3 wireless headphones?
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I was looking at the Node 2i as well and if I remember correctly it has the capability of doing Bluetooth in both directions, in and out. Has anyone tried them simultaneously, say an iPhone using Spotify in to a pair of Sony WH-1000XM3 wireless headphones?
I spoke to Bluesound support last week. It can definitely send and receive via Bluetooth but I'm not sure if it can do both simultaneously. On that note, just curious why would one send content to the Bluesound instead of using its internal native apps via the Bluesound app?
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I spoke to Bluesound support last week. It can definitely send and receive via Bluetooth but I'm not sure if it can do both simultaneously. On that note, just curious why would one send content to the Bluesound instead of using its internal native apps via the Bluesound app?

Good question, this solution is primarily for some family members who aren't as interested in things like Roon/Bluesound and is more interested in "workout music" than critical listening. Their Spotify playlists are the most important thing to them and they're simply not interested in another GUI to have to deal with. I had a heck of a time getting Spotify/Sonos understood so I didn't become a permanent support person for all audio issues. By the way I don't blame them for that attitude, to each his own. They don't fault me for my particular obsession with good (expensive) sound so this is somewhat just self preservation.
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Good question, this solution is primarily for some family members who aren't as interested in things like Roon/Bluesound and is more interested in "workout music" than critical listening. Their Spotify playlists are the most important thing to them and they're simply not interested in another GUI to have to deal with. I had a heck of a time getting Spotify/Sonos understood so I didn't become a permanent support person for all audio issues. By the way I don't blame them for that attitude, to each his own. They don't fault me for my particular obsession with good (expensive) sound so this is somewhat just self preservation.
Makes complete sense. I'm guessing that is probably exactly why Bluesound added support for receiving Bluetooth, starting with the Node 2.
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I will be buying the Apple 4K TV when I get my new 4K TV. I am also planning on buying Bluesound Node 2i. I have converted all my CD's to AIFF. They are in a playlist folder on iTunes. I am hooking up the Apple TV and Bluesound via Ethernet. Is there a way to add a folder to the HD of Apple TV and store my AIFF's there and have Node 2i find them. I have extra HD's. Would it be better to create a folder and add my AIFF's to that rather than go through iTunes or Apple TV. Thanks
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Best thing to do is use your computer to create one music folder on a NAS drive with only one version of everything, and with the Bluesound Node 2i then store the path (map) to that folder. Now you can completely turn off your computer because the music will be accessed from that NAS as long as it's on the same network (wired or wireless) as the Node 2i. From there, you can stream your music, almost every streaming music service, almost every internet-broadcasting radio station (via TuneIn), and most any podcast. As an example, I was listening to a friend's new podcast the other day that's on a Google-based service!

Ken, I have decided to buy a Node 2i as I went way over budget with my new system which I ordered yesterday. As I will not be buying the Vault 2i, can I store all my AIFF files on the hard drive of Apple 4K TV. It will have 64 gigs of storage. Would that be better than having Node2i look for my playlist folder within iTunes where all my AIFFs are now.
I don't understand what a NAS drive is. Would a NAS store my AIFF's differently than just creating a folder in an existing HD. Thanks
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Best thing to do is use your computer to create one music folder on a NAS drive with only one version of everything, and with the Bluesound Node 2i then store the path (map) to that folder. Now you can completely turn off your computer because the music will be accessed from that NAS as long as it's on the same network (wired or wireless) as the Node 2i. From there, you can stream your music, almost every streaming music service, almost every internet-broadcasting radio station (via TuneIn), and most any podcast. As an example, I was listening to a friend's new podcast the other day that's on a Google-based service!

Ken, I have decided to buy a Node 2i as I went way over budget with my new system which I ordered yesterday. As I will not be buying the Vault 2i, can I store all my AIFF files on the hard drive of Apple 4K TV. It will have 64 gigs of storage. Would that be better than having Node2i look for my playlist folder within iTunes where all my AIFFs are now.
I don't understand what a NAS drive is. Would a NAS store my AIFF's differently than just creating a folder in an existing HD. Thanks
Network Accessible Storage drives means they are a drive which is self-powered, stand-alone and connected to your network.

I am as ignorant about the Apple products as one could be. If I understand, iTunes storage means cloud and not local. If the AppleTV has 64GB of storage, that's really small by today's standards. I don't know how big your AIFF files are, but I know FLAC files are about 0.5 to 1GB for a single CD. That means you'd have enough space for somewhere around 75 to 100 CD's. A Vault 2i has a 2TB drive, so can hold a couple thousand CD's worth of music.

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Network Accessible Storage drives means they are a drive which is self-powered, stand-alone and connected to your network.

I am as ignorant about the Apple products as one could be. If I understand, iTunes storage means cloud and not local. If the AppleTV has 64GB of storage, that's really small by today's standards. I don't know how big your AIFF files are, but I know FLAC files are about 0.5 to 1GB for a single CD. That means you'd have enough space for somewhere around 75 to 100 CD's. A Vault 2i has a 2TB drive, so can hold a couple thousand CD's worth of music.
Right, 64 gigs is nothing. 1gig sounds about right for 1 CD. I don't want to pay $1200 for Vault. I spent way too much money on new home theater. Can I just store my AIFFs in a standard drive and have Node 2i find. They are all connected to my computer which is always on except when it's sleeping. My computer is connected to wi fi. Thanks
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Right, 64 gigs is nothing. 1gig sounds about right for 1 CD. I don't want to pay $1200 for Vault. I spent way too much money on new home theater. Can I just store my AIFFs in a standard drive and have Node 2i find. They are all connected to my computer which is always on except when it's sleeping. My computer is connected to wi fi. Thanks
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Ok I will try that when I get the Node 2i. Thanks
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Ok I will try that when I get the Node 2i. Thanks
You can also connect your USB external hard drive directly into the Node 2i USB port to access your music files. That way you won't need your computer to stay ON.
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You can also connect your USB external hard drive directly into the Node 2i USB port to access your music files. That way you won't need your computer to stay ON.
I have extra HD's so that would not be a problem. It was suggested that I get a NAS drive. Would a standard hard drive work? My computer is always on except when it goes to sleep mode but its always on. I have been told Bluesound will easily find my iTunes library which is in iCloud but I have read in different threads that Apple has disabled this so that is why I am asking questions about Bluesound and iTunes.
It's probably moot anyway as once I set up my new home theater I won't want to listen to my Apple Music anymore and will only be listening to Tidal or Qobuz and my CD's that have been converted to AIFF. My brother told me he has added his 800 CD's to his computer and that I can have them so I will have a lot of Aiff files to listen to.
My Aiff files are 16 bit. They are what they are right, Node 2i can not upsample to 24 bit? Thanks
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I have extra HD's so that would not be a problem. It was suggested that I get a NAS drive. Would a standard hard drive work? My computer is always on except when it goes to sleep mode but its always on. I have been told Bluesound will easily find my iTunes library which is in iCloud but I have read in different threads that Apple has disabled this so that is why I am asking questions about Bluesound and iTunes.
It's probably moot anyway as once I set up my new home theater I won't want to listen to my Apple Music anymore and will only be listening to Tidal or Qobuz and my CD's that have been converted to AIFF. My brother told me he has added his 800 CD's to his computer and that I can have them so I will have a lot of Aiff files to listen to.
My Aiff files are 16 bit. They are what they are right, Node 2i can not upsample to 24 bit? Thanks
Once I started using Tidal, it became my go to source for music. Pretty much anyting I want to listen to is there. I have over 750 cd's stored on my Vault, a connected ipod and an itunes folder moved to my vault. It's just so easy to open up Tidal and pick out almost any artist, song or album. I still prefer some lesser quality streaming services for music curated/music discovery, but not when I'm in a critical listening mood.
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Once I started using Tidal, it became my go to source for music. Pretty much anyting I want to listen to is there. I have over 750 cd's stored on my Vault, a connected ipod and an itunes folder moved to my vault. It's just so easy to open up Tidal and pick out almost any artist, song or album. I still prefer some lesser quality streaming services for music curated/music discovery, but not when I'm in a critical listening mood.
I was planning on the Vault and then the costs of my new Home Theater system kept going up so I decided on Node 2i. So even though you have all your music stored in the Vault, you find it is easier to just stream from Tidal. Interesting. I'm planning on doing a trial of Tidal, so maybe I am stressing too much about the Node playing the music I already have
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I was planning on the Vault and then the costs of my new Home Theater system kept going up so I decided on Node 2i. So even though you have all your music stored in the Vault, you find it is easier to just stream from Tidal. Interesting. I'm planning on doing a trial of Tidal, so maybe I am stressing too much about the Node playing the music I already have
The main reason I use Tidal as a go to is because I build playlists. If I use my CD's mixed in with Tidal tracks my CD tracks in those playlists can't be downloaded to my phone to take with me via the Tidal app. So when I add songs to a playlist, I add them to both Tidal and the Vaults playlist. Just remember, my CD's are mine forever. Tidal's music is only mine as long as I pay for the service. I don't think Tidal was available in the U.S. when I purchased my Vault and I didn't want the hassle of dealing with networking with my computer. So at the time it made sense. If I were doing it today I might go with a Node, but again I probably wouldn't want the hassle of networking with my computer. Just not a network kind of guy.
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The main reason I use Tidal as a go to is because I build playlists. If I use my CD's mixed in with Tidal tracks my CD tracks in those playlists can't be downloaded to my phone to take with me via the Tidal app. So when I add songs to a playlist, I add them to both Tidal and the Vaults playlist. Just remember, my CD's are mine forever. Tidal's music is only mine as long as I pay for the service. I don't think Tidal was available in the U.S. when I purchased my Vault and I didn't want the hassle of dealing with networking with my computer. So at the time it made sense. If I were doing it today I might go with a Node, but again I probably wouldn't want the hassle of networking with my computer. Just not a network kind of guy.
Sorry for my confusion but if I didn't have Node how would I play Tidal? Would streaming Tidal directly phone sound as good as going through Bluesound Node2i. I thought the Node allowed for 24 bit streaming. I am just learning now about Bluesound, Tidal, Qobuz,and streaming
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Once I started using Tidal, it became my go to source for music. Pretty much anyting I want to listen to is there. I have over 750 cd's stored on my Vault, a connected ipod and an itunes folder moved to my vault. It's just so easy to open up Tidal and pick out almost any artist, song or album. I still prefer some lesser quality streaming services for music curated/music discovery, but not when I'm in a critical listening mood.
This is my issue with that however. Currently still trying to transition from sonos to my Node and just don't see a good solution for me to completely replace the sonos just yet. All of my music is stored locally on my laptop that also stays on all the time. Sonos is connected to the itunes folder to have access to the files just as the Node will eventually be. My problem is, I use the playlists I've made in Itunes almost exclusively for music playback. The Sonos sees these playlists and they are available via the sonos app. Is this capability also available via the Node?

My second thing is I would LOVE to just have Quboz or Tidal replace my entire library with High-Rez versions of all of my songs at which point I'd abandon the physical files and basically transition to the service for all of it (with Spotify as backup). I still have yet to hear of any way of doing all this outside of searching and adding each song one by one to your streaming library...and that aint happenin'
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Sorry for my confusion but if I didn't have Node how would I play Tidal? Would streaming Tidal directly phone sound as good as going through Bluesound Node2i. I thought the Node allowed for 24 bit streaming. I am just learning now about Bluesound, Tidal, Qobuz,and streaming
I just heard from Qobuz, they told me this"Airplay is restricted to 16-bit/48kHz quality maximum, so we would recommend using a Bluesound Node 2i or other Hi-Res capable streamer if you would like to stream in Hi-Res 24-bit quality"
I will definitely be buying Node 2i when my new system is installed. Not going to worry about my existing music. Will subscribe to either Qobuz or Tidal, depending on their libraries
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Sorry for my confusion but if I didn't have Node how would I play Tidal? Would streaming Tidal directly phone sound as good as going through Bluesound Node2i. I thought the Node allowed for 24 bit streaming. I am just learning now about Bluesound, Tidal, Qobuz,and streaming
Now that iOS and android both have Tidal available you could stream it that way, but it won't sound as good as going through Bluesound. Better DACS than what is in a phone for sure. Then with Tidal MQA is available which would not be fully available through your phone. MQA has a 4 step process and I believe the phone will only do the 1st step. Qobuz I'm not so sure about.

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Now that iOS and android both have Tidal available you could stream it that way, but it won't sound as good as going through Bluesound. Better DACS than what is in a phone for sure. Then with Tidal MQA is available which would not be fully available through your phone. MQA has a 4 step process and I believe the phone will only do the 1st step. Qobuz I'm not so sure about.
I am definitely buying Node2i to stream either Tidal or Qobuz. I am going to do a trial of each to see which has the music I listen.
Will probably add my AIFF files to HD and hook up to Node. I'm not going to worry about playing my Apple Music
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This is my issue with that however. Currently still trying to transition from sonos to my Node and just don't see a good solution for me to completely replace the sonos just yet. All of my music is stored locally on my laptop that also stays on all the time. Sonos is connected to the itunes folder to have access to the files just as the Node will eventually be. My problem is, I use the playlists I've made in Itunes almost exclusively for music playback. The Sonos sees these playlists and they are available via the sonos app. Is this capability also available via the Node?
I’ve had the same issue. From my experience so far, you can’t edit the playlists within the bs app, but you can play them once it’s directed to see them. Mine are accessible.
As you know from borrowing my node, the trick is getting the node the right map to view what you want it to access. You couldn’t figure out and neither could I once I got it back from you. I had to have the IT guy from the audio shop I bought my nas and node from to get it going again. He even admitted they don’t explain things well or make it nearly as user friendly as they should. I found this, might help...

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My second thing is I would LOVE to just have Quboz or Tidal replace my entire library with High-Rez versions of all of my songs at which point I'd abandon the physical files and basically transition to the service for all of it (with Spotify as backup). I still have yet to hear of any way of doing all this outside of searching and adding each song one by one to your streaming library...and that aint happenin'
The more I look into it, Roon seems like the best way to conglomerate everything together. Maybe one day...

One other thing that drives me nuts is bs not having a way to access their app via iOS lock screen. Supposedly android has this ability, but iOS is left hanging. Lame


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Thanks Ken. Good to know.
If the Node's DAC is very good, that will be a bonus. Simpler setup than using the DAC in the Oppo 205, which can also do the MQA unfold. I'm not sure how important that is though. I've compared hi-res flac files and MQA for some of my favorite music, and I like the hi-res better. Maybe I'm not doing the MQA right.
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Edit: sorry, I was thinking this was the Tidal thread. I have and enjoy Bluesound as well (original Node and Node 2) but I wanted to take advantage of the excellent DAC in the Oppo.

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