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I bought a Vault (original, version 1) today from a dealer. It was a demo unit they had used for feeding one of their high end equipment demo rooms.


I had a little trouble getting my network to recognize it was connected (via Ethernet), and my Android tablet with the freshly downloaded app couldn't couple with it either. Son comes over, plays with PC, Vault and tablet a little, then reboots the Vault. All is good! I can't say what I may have found on the Vault, but let's just assume I'll be listening to all types of music for some time, and sampling new works that one might find on a service like Tidal HiFi (and several other lossless services.)


I got 40% off the original price, and for $100 more than a new Node 2, this turned out to be a better value than I EVER would have imagined.
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I had a little trouble getting my network to recognize it was connected (via Ethernet), and my Android tablet with the freshly downloaded app couldn't couple with it either. Son comes over, plays with PC, Vault and tablet a little, then reboots the Vault. All is good!

I too bought a Vault recently and cannot get it to recognize my network even though it is connected by Ethernet. Can you clarify what your son did to "reboot" the Vault? Did he just unplug it, wait for a while and connect power to it again? Thanks.

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I too bought a Vault recently and cannot get it to recognize my network even though it is connected by Ethernet. Can you clarify what your son did to "reboot" the Vault? Did he just unplug it, wait for a while and connect power to it again? Thanks.
Yup, unplug it for a minute or two (at most), then power it up again. That's essentially the way it's supposed to be done according to the oh-so-basic "Getting Started" booklet.
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Yup, unplug it for a minute or two (at most), then power it up again. That's essentially the way it's supposed to be done according to the oh-so-basic "Getting Started" booklet.
Great, thanks for the tip. I will give it a try this evening.


On another subject, do you know if one can download files stored on a network computer into the Vault? How does one do that? As you mentioned, the "Getting Started" booklet provides very little advice and there does not appear to be a manual on the Bluesound website either.


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Great, thanks for the tip. I will give it a try this evening.


On another subject, do you know if one can download files stored on a network computer into the Vault? How does one do that? As you mentioned, the "Getting Started" booklet provides very little advice and there does not appear to be a manual on the Bluesound website either.


Thanks again for your help.

Yeah, both of the booklets that came with the unit remind me of the Owner's manual for my Triumph Tiger 800 motorcycle. I refer to it as the "Book of warnings, cautions, admonitions and disclaimers." Very little useful info, and the Bluesound documentation has far less.


I have not yet been able to see the unit by looking at network devices on my desktop PC. I did find it's network IP address, but that's it. I have the same issue as you in that I just ripped almost 300 CD's to a USB hard drive and want to move them to the Vault. I also want to back up what's on there and that's also a mystery...for now. I'll be poking around their website and the web to see if I can get some answers because this can't be something unique to us.


The unit is definitely connected because through the app on my Android tablet I was able to update firmware, and I can access Tidal. For now, more music than I could listen to in a lifetime!
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Great, thanks for the tip. I will give it a try this evening.


On another subject, do you know if one can download files stored on a network computer into the Vault? How does one do that? As you mentioned, the "Getting Started" booklet provides very little advice and there does not appear to be a manual on the Bluesound website either.


Thanks again for your help.
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Thanks for the link but I cannot get it to show up on my list of network devices.

No idea why it won't show because I can see my PC, my wife's PC, network printer, even the Roku box in the bedroom. This is so frustrating!
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Thanks for the link but I cannot get it to show up on my list of network devices.

No idea why it won't show because I can see my PC, my wife's PC, network printer, even the Roku box in the bedroom. This is so frustrating!
Go to configure player. Then go to send a support request. Fill out the information requested along with a description of your problem. They will contact you through email. Takes about an hour for a response, but may take a little longer because of the Holidays. I did this today for a problem I was having. They ended up contacting me by phone to resolve my issue. The whole process took about 3-4 hrs. from the first email to resolution of my issue. This is how they do things. May sound complicated but it works. For what it's worth, my issue was transferring 600+ files(CDs) from a Vault to a Vault 2. Good luck.
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That's so good to hear that Bluesound supports their product after the sale so well. It seems to me however that if they had put a little more effort into the documentation they'd need a lot less one-on-one e-mail support.


Any idea what the button on top does? It's on continuous "blue", then when I push it the light goes into a blinking mode with no discernible change in operation. Strange.
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That's so good to hear that Bluesound supports their product after the sale so well. It seems to me however that if they had put a little more effort into the documentation they'd need a lot less one-on-one e-mail support.


Any idea what the button on top does? It's on continuous "blue", then when I push it the light goes into a blinking mode with no discernible change in operation. Strange.
I believe it's just a status indicator. Green, red, blue and white. I think the manual explains what the colors mean. A more informative manual would be helpful. For me, once I loaded my disc, I didn't need much help because it just worked. My previous post do document the problems I had with my Vault. Bluesound rewarded me with a free upgrade to a Vault 2 which I just received for my troubles.
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Thanks for the link but I cannot get it to show up on my list of network devices.

No idea why it won't show because I can see my PC, my wife's PC, network printer, even the Roku box in the bedroom. This is so frustrating!
Try turning of your firewall.
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One place for good info on the Bluesound Ecosystem is the forums on their website. Lots of info there and you can also post questions.
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Try turning of your firewall.
Did that and could find every other device on my network. My PC, the wife's, network printer.scan.fax machine, Roku box on wife's TV, router, my Samsung Smart TV, everything except the Vault. And I know it's connected because I took it and plugged it in direct to the router with short Ethernet cable, and it had done an update while on the long in-wall cable.


Checked the forum pappaduke linked, nothing pertinent found right away, so I guess they're going to get e-mail.


Thanks for all your help!


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Update:


Yesterday I managed to access the Bluesound Vault control panel page via the IP addresss (in my system, 192.168.1.13) and clicked on various options to no avail. Down at the bottom is a option for "contact us" so I filled in all the info and submitted. Back on that control panel page, just for the hell of it I clicked on "rename device" (or something similar) and typed in "Vault1". Then I clicked over to my network Win Explorer page and refreshed the view. What do you know...there it is!


All files on both my PC and Vault are now merged and backed up. Cool! Working perfect.


Of course within 20 minutes of finding the solution I get multiple e-mails from Bluesound tech support, and one with a possible solution was something I'd already tried. I'll consider telling them how I fixed, when I have time to copy & paste what I wrote above.

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Just when I got really comfortable with my Bluesound apps and web controller, Bluesound did a major update to their apps and web controllers. They're not bad, but now I have to relearn how to use them. Unfortunately, they didn't change starting to play songs as soon as you open a playlist. Also, when you shuffle a playlist it doesn't shuffle the playlist and start at the top, it just jumps randomly to a song somewhere in the middle of the playlist. Minor issue but certainly could be better.

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I noticed the upgrade on my tablet today. On the plus side, I no longer have the most annoying problem of all which for me was when shifting from the default album view of my own library over to listing by artist it would lock up once I selected one. After 10-15 seconds I would get am Android pop-up that the "application has stopped working" and have to choose wait, report or close. Only the third option worked.

All gone, works MUCH better. I still have a lot of learning to do on the new app, looks like they added some features that I didn't know I needed.

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Currently I am streaming Deezer Elite's high-res with a Sonos Connect, via coax to my Pioneer receiver. Audio quality is not bad, but I am considering the Node 2. Would it be a worthy upgrade? I would be using my PC to control. Would I notice a difference in audio quality?

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Currently I am streaming Deezer Elite's high-res with a Sonos Connect, via coax to my Pioneer receiver. Audio quality is not bad, but I am considering the Node 2. Would it be a worthy upgrade? I would be using my PC to control. Would I notice a difference in audio quality?
I have no experience with Sonos, but my Bluesound Vault 2 sounds amazing streaming Tidal as well as the CDs I've loaded onto it. So far I have not been able to try Deezer. As far as I know it is not available for Bluesound in the US.
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I also don't have any experience with Sonos devices but went with a Bluesound Vault because they have a very high quality DAC and access so many types of files. I figured better to have the best I can get rather than second guess it and have to buy twice.

Looking at the specifications on each, I don't see any dramatic difference in performance, so I think on the interface and support differentiate the two. I do like the compact format of the Node 2 and support is outstanding. The interface for each depends upon which device pair with it for use.

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Crutchfield has a outstanding return policy. If I buy a node 2 thats where I would buy it from. Still interested to hear from people who have tried both the Connect and Node 2. My Pioneer has a great DAC already.

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Firmware update for MQA to be released June 1st. Here's a link from Bluesound's page for the press release. http://www.bluesound.com/en-us/news-...perience-home/
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Firmware update for MQA to be released June 1st. Here's a link from Bluesound's page for the press release. http://www.bluesound.com/en-us/news-...perience-home/

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I've been looking at bluesound and sonos trying to figure out if either would add anything to my current setup. Currently, I use iTunes (and Slacker) and stream via AirPlay through an airport express into a denon x4000 from either my iPhone or laptop. So a couple of questions...

High res capability of bluesound aside, what would I gain by going to sonos or bluesound?

Regarding the mqa update, will anything streamed through a bluesound unit with the update take advantage of mqa? I couldn't find a clear answer on either site.

How would the auralic mini compare?

Mac mini?

Mqa and high res make bluesound kind of a no brainier compared with sonos, just not sure what I'd gain over my current setup.

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I've been looking at bluesound and sonos trying to figure out if either would add anything to my current setup. Currently, I use iTunes (and Slacker) and stream via AirPlay through an airport express into a denon x4000 from either my iPhone or laptop. So a couple of questions...

High res capability of bluesound aside, what would I gain by going to sonos or bluesound?

Regarding the mqa update, will anything streamed through a bluesound unit with the update take advantage of mqa? I couldn't find a clear answer on either site.

How would the auralic mini compare?

Mac mini?

Mqa and high res make bluesound kind of a no brainier compared with sonos, just not sure what I'd gain over my current setup.

Thanks!
If you get Tidal I believe you'll enjoy it and be able to make use of MQA.

I have a Denon 4520 and enjoy Tidal through the Bluesound on it.
Hoping Tidal/MQA will be able to increase that satisfaction and enjoyment
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I see BlueOS update combined with Tidal to be the possible "trial balloon" for MQA decoding and play for me. If it works it'll help me decide if I need to invest in higher quality gear to have it in my future 2 channel room. If with my current setup it works and I can hear a significant difference, I'll look to have the technology in my future purchases of pre-amp/amp or high quality integrated. I would want the fewest components possible, rather than opting for a separate decoder.

A lot will depend upon how well the rest of the market accepts and adopts MQA from the recording studio to streaming & physical media. If it dies on the vine like DVD-A and to some extent SACD, then it won't be worth investing. We have a base of "early adopters" shown on the MQA website, let's see over the next six to 12 months how fast the list grows and how many other entities tout its benefits.

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I've been looking at bluesound and sonos trying to figure out if either would add anything to my current setup. Currently, I use iTunes (and Slacker) and stream via AirPlay through an airport express into a denon x4000 from either my iPhone or laptop. So a couple of questions...

High res capability of bluesound aside, what would I gain by going to sonos or bluesound?

Regarding the mqa update, will anything streamed through a bluesound unit with the update take advantage of mqa? I couldn't find a clear answer on either site.

How would the auralic mini compare?

Mac mini?

Mqa and high res make bluesound kind of a no brainier compared with sonos, just not sure what I'd gain over my current setup.

Thanks!
The June issue of SoundandVision magazine has a wireless multi room special. It includes articles about how to buy a system, a buyer's guide and a comparison of entry level speakers for about 10 of these systems.
As far as what you would gain, I would say better sound quality at least with the Bluesound system. I can't speak on Sonos because I don't own it. I bought a Vault because it enabled me to store my entire CD collection at CD quality (some say better), without having to be bothered with a computer.
Then there's the ability to add speakers to the system wirelessly in other zones. There's also the many streaming services of which Tidal has the best sound quality hands down IMO.
From what I've read, Sonos has the best UI/App. As far as MQA, I think most of us are still learning. I believe if you can decode it you will be able to play it through any system. At least that's what im hoping. Again, still learning. I'd definitely start by reading the June issue of S&V.🎶
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My dealer had told me that the Bluesound Vault and Node products do have a better than the average receiver DAC. In sampling the difference between using the RCA outs and optical on my Vault to my NAD receiver, I did have to give the slight edge to the Bluesound so that's why I'm anxious to get the MQA firmware upgrade and Tidal to start streaming some MQA content.

BTW pappaduke, your mention of "without having to be bothered with a computer" is exactly what attracted me to the unit. I have a work related laptop PC that I can't use for such things, a good desktop PC in my office and my wife has a good laptop. In order for me to gain access to the music files I have on an older USB hard drive I'd have to buy more computer equipment, I would rather spend on audio, so the deal for a demo unit Vault (with 270mb of music accidentally left on it) for 40% off list was too good to pass up. And I now have a great streaming device plus a quality backup to my rarely (probably never again) used CD player.

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I've been looking at bluesound and sonos trying to figure out if either would add anything to my current setup. Currently, I use iTunes (and Slacker) and stream via AirPlay through an airport express into a denon x4000 from either my iPhone or laptop. So a couple of questions...

High res capability of bluesound aside, what would I gain by going to sonos or bluesound?

Regarding the mqa update, will anything streamed through a bluesound unit with the update take advantage of mqa? I couldn't find a clear answer on either site.

How would the auralic mini compare?

Mac mini?

Mqa and high res make bluesound kind of a no brainier compared with sonos, just not sure what I'd gain over my current setup.

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I tried BS this weekend and i am disappointed. I much prefer the sound coming via
MacMini -> HDMI. To me the quality over the optical output of BS is not different than the one coming from airport over the optical output. But maybe this applies to my system only.

I am using this settings:
MacMini--HDMI-> MXR310 -->B&W CM9 S2 (very happy with quality).
Airport --->Optical-->MRX 310 -->B&W CM9 S2 (not happy)
BS2 --->Optical-->MRX 310 -->B&W CM9 S2 (not happy)
BS2 --->Analog-->MRX 310 -->B&W CM9 S2 (not happy)

Using Spotify premium btw.
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I tried BS this weekend and i am disappointed. I much prefer the sound coming via
MacMini -> HDMI. To me the quality over the optical output of BS is not different than the one coming from airport over the optical output. But maybe this applies to my system only.

I am using this settings:
MacMini--HDMI-> MXR310 -->B&W CM9 S2 (very happy with quality).
Airport --->Optical-->MRX 310 -->B&W CM9 S2 (not happy)
BS2 --->Optical-->MRX 310 -->B&W CM9 S2 (not happy)
BS2 --->Analog-->MRX 310 -->B&W CM9 S2 (not happy)

Using Spotify premium btw.
Only your HDMI DAC does 320kbps well I guess?
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I tried BS this weekend and i am disappointed. I much prefer the sound coming via

MacMini -> HDMI. To me the quality over the optical output of BS is not different than the one coming from airport over the optical output. But maybe this applies to my system only.



I am using this settings:

MacMini--HDMI-> MXR310 -->B&W CM9 S2 (very happy with quality).

Airport --->Optical-->MRX 310 -->B&W CM9 S2 (not happy)

BS2 --->Optical-->MRX 310 -->B&W CM9 S2 (not happy)
This seems odd since these are digital so they're all using the mrx310's DAC. I'd think they should sound the same unless the source is doing something to the signal upstream?

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BS2 --->Analog-->MRX 310 -->B&W CM9 S2 (not happy)



Using Spotify premium btw.

this route uses the DAC in the BS2 so, in theory, should be the only one that'd sound any different.

Odd, but thanks for sharing
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Well, I received my Bluesound update today for MQA.

I wonder when Tidal will give us some MQA content?
Maybe I need to check it on the laptop version?
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